Guild Wars 2

So, I stirred up the pot a bit. My name is Malpractice, however, I usually go by Arkengate (kitten it anet let me swap that name please).

About me: I have long played GW2, and I am in a top-tier guild for PvE and WvW. I dabble in pvp, and I will say I am not on the same caliber of some players on the forums/in the game, but I certainly hold my own in most matches, and rarely feed/do poorly. I am not low MMR, and I do roam.

Since launch I have played a ton of classes, and since HoT, some of them have faded from me. I play a lot of engineer, and a bit of mesmer, sometimes reaper, however — I found myself with a problem when hot came out. I had an ascended heavy set. Revenant DPS rotation was stupidly boring to me, and Guardian no longer was enjoyable with DH (for me). So, i picked up warrior, leveled it with tomes, made a few specs, and tried it a bunch. I wanted to learn a new class, and try new things, and its been extremely fun.

I certainly saw the struggles of pvp that warriors have mentioned, and I kept plugging away at the builds I was using, finding effective ways to fight things. The most prevelant things in the meta that i saw was a few things: Lots of evades, condis, blocks, and CC. I was mostly seeing the same 6 classes, thought of their weaknesses, and came up with a few builds I’ve been toying with to success.

http://gw2skills.net/editor/?vJAQRApe8fnMdAtkildAmhAElilqATpHE7yBIFgGQA4t02aftA-TZhHwADeAAAOBAHLDE4IAAa/BA

Was my first iteration. I could bring a ton of CC, good endurance, and lots of blocks. It also came with reflects. I have had a lot of success with this.

Once i got a bit better at warrior, I was able to drop defense and go more offensive, however, I still use defense quite often.

Controversial things: I take Dead or Alive over Heat and Soul because I found a lot of the meta classes have a bit of longer cooldowns, and if i need to drag the fight on, it ended up letting me down a lot of people in sticky situations.

I’ve found success with Savage Instinct over Last blaze, but I find wanting the extra burn. Some input on this would be nice. (works especially well with rousing resilience)

Bloody roar over Eternal Champion and King of Fires due to the CC chain involved. However, I’ve also used EC to soem success, but never really felt KoF to give me much.

I’ve tinkered with Eternal Champion and Rousing resilience, but this seemed to be most effective against most builds.

Lately, I’ve been tinkering with the following build:

http://gw2skills.net/editor/?vJAQRApe8fnMdAtkildAmhAEliFiAT5LM92CGBgPYP794+cjuA-TZhHwADeAAAOBAHLDE4IAAa/BA

Now, what you lose with this build:
A lot of defenses. The reflects are amazing. Health regen, toughness (not enough to care), but most painfully the adrenaline and condi cleanse

What you gain: Extra confusion, Tons of bleeds, more damage, more rolling, and more mobility.

This build is especially good if the enemy team has limited DH, but as I see a ton of DH lately, the first build wrecks the hell out of them.

I’m not sure which build is “better”, but they both have been very useful.

I’ll try to make video clips on how I fight each of the “meta” classes, but as its studying for finals time, it will take me at least a few days.

This build can be used in team fights, however, i’ve found the most success rotating properly and taking side points. There isnt a build I havent been able to kill. Its not a 100% winrate vs builds, but nothing is. I’ve had my struggles, learned the nuances of how each class fights against me, and have adjusted accordingly to each matchup.

I’ll try to respond today while I’m at work, but no absolute guarantees on that.

Thats it boys: Pick me apart, rage at me, flame me — I’m simply giving my input on whats been useful for me.

Don’t listen to Online. He’s the kind of guy to make a cry thread on the forum and say he’s quitting the game, but then not actually do it.

If this build works for you then that’s great. Play whatever you have fun with and don’t listen to other people.

Edit: now Online has deleted his comment.

Mcrocha.3891:

^ Don’t listen to this man. He’s the kind of guy to make a cry thread on the forum and say he’s quitting the game, but then not actually do it.

If this build works for you then that’s great. Play whatever you have fun with and don’t listen to other people.

Edit: now he has deleted his comment.

I actually never made any sort of claim. Online made a thread challenging me to a duel, and renamed it, or something, then deleted it. Check the author.
“Malpractice.7850 – Best Warrior NA online.1278”

This is my first thread I’ve started in the warrior forum.

Malpractice.7850:

Mcrocha.3891:

^ Don’t listen to this man. He’s the kind of guy to make a cry thread on the forum and say he’s quitting the game, but then not actually do it.

If this build works for you then that’s great. Play whatever you have fun with and don’t listen to other people.

Edit: now he has deleted his comment.

I actually never made any sort of claim. Online made a thread challenging me to a duel, and renamed it, or something, then deleted it. Check the author.
“Malpractice.7850 – Best Warrior NA online.1278”

This is my first thread I’ve started in the warrior forum. Not sure why youre trying to attack me.

My post was in response to something online said. He posted on this thread, but then deleted his post. My post was in reference to him, not you. I support you and appreciate you trying to spread info about what you’re running.

I’d edit out the dont listen to this guy, then :p

Malpractice.7850:

I’d edit out the dont listen to this guy, then :p

If you would like I will. Just so you know, his post essentially said something along the lines of “malpractice is bad”. I don’t remember really, but it was comical.

Mcrocha.3891:

Malpractice.7850:

I’d edit out the dont listen to this guy, then :p

If you would like I will. Just so you know, his post essentially said something along the lines of “malpractice is bad”. I don’t remember really, but it was comical.

Naw, I’m good :-)
I do hope people test my build and help iron it out, though.

OP I tried this build before you. It’s not enough condi pressure pretty much, and your one good skill is hard to land.

Theres not a real good reason to pick warhorn other than to remove chill. You get plenty of Vigor from your stance trait, and you already clear immob via warrior sprint, yea you can give weakness with it, but you already kinda give weakness with your mace and interrupts. Basicaaly it’s pointless to take warhorn.

Picking bloody roar over eternal champion just becasue of a 1 sec taunt and a damage modifier that does nothing for you because it only modifies power damage. I not condi dammage. I would never pick a 1 sec CC that I could only activate if my adrin was full and Im about to enter zerk mode over a perma stab.

If you got to saphire you got carried. strait up calling it now.

Going warhorn is kinda stupid…bad weapon. Torch is better for that build. It gives you more burns and a fire shield with sword 2 and shield 4 as well as bulls charge.

I kinda wanted to add that your build basically has balanced stance. You have no ther stun breaks besides 1 on a 40 sec CD.. All someone really has to do is wait for your stab to run out and CC you and you are done you have blocks but there is a lot of CC that is unblockable and obviously if you have no way to get out of CC your not blocking anything. Thats why I think that you probably got carried so hard its not even funny.

no berzerk stance or endure pain
you die in seconds

Saeco.7196:

Going warhorn is kinda stupid…bad weapon. Torch is better for that build. It gives you more burns and a fire shield with sword 2 and shield 4 as well as bulls charge.

Sw/WH as a combo is a mobility set. So you swap into it for the purpose of taking the heat off (dropping those imob conditions), dumping weakness (shut out power hits), and using your sword to gtfo of there (plus swiftness).

If you swap the WH for a torch you’re altering the entire premise. That’s not to say WH isnt a weak offhand weapon though, but builds are all about intentions and a torch in place of a WH might not be as magical as you think -_-u

Warlord.9074:

I kinda wanted to add that your build basically has balanced stance. You have no ther stun breaks besides 1 on a 40 sec CD.. All someone really has to do is wait for your stab to run out and CC you and you are done you have blocks but there is a lot of CC that is unblockable and obviously if you have no way to get out of CC your not blocking anything. Thats why I think that you probably got carried so hard its not even funny.

First, there is a 2nd CC breaker in headbutt, and if needed, you could drop last blaze for savage instinct if you find yourself not able to time properly with your blocks and evades. Which, as it stands now, is 3 CC breaks every 40 seconds. If you need more, you can do the above.

Secondly, The taunt is there because it makes it so you get 100% accuracy on skull grinder, which is where the pressure really starts to come on. That being said, I have nothing wrong with Eternal Champion, and I’ve used it quite often instead of the taunt.

There is more than enough condi pressure to kill anything I’ve fought so far.

lastly, while you say I got carried, I did it in solo queue, and did very well.

EDIT: I didn’t realize I had warhorn on there, i made the build at work, and did it rather quickly. It should have been a torch, as warhorn doesn’t really provide much, and doesnt help with the pressure I’m bringing.

Thanks for pointing out that I had the wrong weapon selected in the build.
It should in face be Mace/Shield, Sword/Torch.

Saeco.7196:

no berzerk stance or endure pain
you die in seconds

If you wish to follow the first build, you have 400-700 HPS between signet and Adrenal Health, along with the fact Endure Pain activates at 25%, and you have multiple blocks, sigil of energy etc — Also, the offensive ability of your stuns gives you relief from pressure coming your way.

Saeco.7196:

Going warhorn is kinda stupid…bad weapon. Torch is better for that build. It gives you more burns and a fire shield with sword 2 and shield 4 as well as bulls charge.

Yea, thanks for pointing this out. I didnt realize I clicked the wrong weapon when making them at work this morning :-(

I edited the builds and posted the torch-equipped ones in OP.

Thanks for making this post. Most people these days just want to complain and whine until the next balance patch. I might try playing warrior again with this build.

This is interesting, I’ve also been tinkering with Berserker for a while and came to almost the same build as you, except I’ve been using Outrage, Shattering Blow and Sundering Leap… Traits are almost exactly the same as your first skill tree except I’m using Rousing Resilience in Defense and Eternal Champion in Berserker. Durability rune and Carrion jewel… honestly I didn’t expect it to work as well as it did and I’ve been having fun with it.

i run something similar but once your mmr settles down (yes you have low mmr when you first start playing a new class) you’ll find that you just get outclassed by a lot of things.

pros of condi berserker: insane condi burst, you can actually tear down tempests and druids pretty quickly with all the pressure you deal.

cons: free kill for a reaper, dh, revs, scrapper, and can’t 1v1 tempets with diamond skin.

warrior does not bring anything to teamplay what they are good at is stealing kill. At least they are good at phew phew from range. Please stop bringing warrior to rank pvp until anet had buff warrior u guys are making the team lose.

princode.2750:

warrior does not bring anything to teamplay what they are good at is stealing kill. At least they are good at phew phew from range. Please stop bringing warrior to rank pvp until anet had buff warrior u guys are making the team lose.

You’re right, 100-0’ing members of the enemy team is a pointless waste of time XD

Warlord.9074:

OP I tried this build before you. It’s not enough condi pressure pretty much, and your one good skill is hard to land.

Theres not a real good reason to pick warhorn other than to remove chill. You get plenty of Vigor from your stance trait, and you already clear immob via warrior sprint, yea you can give weakness with it, but you already kinda give weakness with your mace and interrupts. Basicaaly it’s pointless to take warhorn.

Picking bloody roar over eternal champion just becasue of a 1 sec taunt and a damage modifier that does nothing for you because it only modifies power damage. I not condi dammage. I would never pick a 1 sec CC that I could only activate if my adrin was full and Im about to enter zerk mode over a perma stab.

If you got to saphire you got carried. strait up calling it now.

It’s really not that hard to get to sapphire you make it sound like it is something special. I’m half way there in forty games, about 25% of the games played as Warrior. If you play enough games and win more than you lose, you will get sapphire. You could probably even make it to ruby. But that question is why do it on a Warrior when you can pick a meta build and do it easier.

Honestly more than ever though, whenever I go to ranked PvP and see a Warrior I think free kill. I think you should get double the rating just by picking Warrior and win.

Barret.4095:

i run something similar but once your mmr settles down (yes you have low mmr when you first start playing a new class) you’ll find that you just get outclassed by a lot of things.

pros of condi berserker: insane condi burst, you can actually tear down tempests and druids pretty quickly with all the pressure you deal.

cons: free kill for a reaper, dh, revs, scrapper, and can’t 1v1 tempets with diamond skin.

Well, my MMR might raise, however, class specific MMR is disabled, as stated by a dev. Its account wide.

Secondly, the reflects int he first build make DH a pretty easy target, and realistically, all you have to do is avoid the traps. The only time it gets nasty is if theres 2 alternating traps, from my experience.

Revs and scrapper certainly give me trouble. Reaper seems about 50/50 depending on how i deal with plague signet.

Edit: This thread highlights the MMR thingy.
https://www.reddit.com/r/Guildwars2/comments/3vozc4/how_i_quickly_hit_sapphire_division_while_only/

While I applaud your effort at least, it must still be recognized that, even if you ran Warrior and were successful, it is still not as good as the other classes at the moment, and besides Thief DOES get outclassed in various aspects of the game.

I think many Warriors are rather peeved with the lack of competitiveness to the class as opposed to lack of success. I mean, all I run is GS/Axe nowadays, or GS/hammer and do just fine. Sadly, I know I could do better on other classes.

Heck, I jumped on Chronomancer 30 minutes ago and after an hour I could 2v1 like I never could of my Warrior. Why? Much harder to focus if you use the evasive peels correctly I found.

Anyway, I wouldn’t run this if someone paid me. Not because it is bad per say, I haven’t tried it, but because Condi literally makes me frown. If I don’t run power I feel cheap, and cancerous in my own right.

Now, if you can do something amazing with GS Power, my favourite weapon, I will be all ears.

This build is not good enough.

Im glad you guys made it to a certain level and im glad others say its easy to get sapphire but im sorry if i come off as negative.

The first 2 weeks of PvP if i ran with a premade i faced other elite level premades. When i solo qued i faced guild premades and reg team premades. This build lacks the sustain and the ability to constantly apply condi dmg.

In 1 vs 1 on corners you should lose to every class being thieves remove condi on dodge. The constant pressure from a d/d condi build would overwhelm you and the staff build is about setting up dps which you have no counter for. Revs apply more condi and quicker and apply more dps by simply switching to a different champion.

Druids with boon shares with pets could literally eat your condi since 3 will go to the pet and with staff they get constant healing and 500+ with healing on glyph use and bleeding is the weakest form of condi dot which is also the easiest for you to apply.

I could go on but simply put this is very similar to alot of the builds alot people tried out before the PvP league started and this stuff never works against people who immediately see what you are know what to do. All the new classes got range and warrior got a torch. Simply strafing when you attack will make you miss alot of your attacks if there able to strafe and head backwards.

So congratulate you on finding a build that works for you but this would not help me at all. Especially in team fights when warriors are targeted first. I truly dont know how in a solo que how you are surviving with minimal amounts of condi removal,lack of range, lack of speed, and no big burst dmg. Any person fighting you would literally have to let you kill them.

Any thief should be able to shadow step away and heal and come back. Any druid could fully heal in cele form. Any rev should be able to switch and get over 4 sec of resistance just from that heal and utility skill on one champion. Any ele from the old fresh air,staff,d/d, to the new shout build isnt worried about this at all. Scrappers would out sustain this easy and maintain a full stack of 25 might/fury/protection and stability. Druids and necros are the 2 best 1 vs 1 classes base line in the game.

I am though happy for you and your success with it.