Guild Wars 2

In Everquest1, I played as a ranger from day 1. Worst class, weakest of all, until they buffed up archery years after, but then I was gone.

In Everquest2, I played as a shaman from day 1. Worst class, weakest of all, period.

Switched to WOW, picked shaman again, BIG mistake.

In Diablo 3, witch doctor… nuff said.

Now, in GW2, I started as a warrior. Will my fate change?

Yes, warriors are awesome.

UnderworldSkull.1863:

Yes, warriors are awesome.

Against bad players, and in SPvP where people are easily lost in the zerg and without their dodge or stunbreaker up for bullsrush.

Your post must have dropped the rest of your sentence after the word “awesome” so I figured I’d fix it for you.

;)

Since when is 8 people a zerg?
This game isn’t about 1v1, that’s not what sPvP is about, that’s not WvW is about, it’s definitely not what tPvP is about. Warriors don’t quite have that special something that makes them distinct from all other classes, but that’s not the same thing as saying they are underpowered.

EQ1 rangers and EQ2 shamans couldn’t even solo lower level things back in the day, whereas the warrior has no problem in PvE, and little problems in dungeons if they spec right. Despite the crying, very few people rank them as weak in PvP, though very few rank them as especially strong either. You’ve picked an average class, not a kitten one.

the problem is warriors are very gimmicky, every weapon feels like it only has ONE useful ability and it requires several utility slots dedicated solely to propping up that one ability
GS-hundred blades burst,
weakness kiting, stun break
sword-condition damage
weakness kiting
axe-crit damage
weakness kiting
(I know I left out several of the weapons we use, but those weapons are almost purely support/cc bots for your team. Most people didn’t roll warrior to be a CC bot for our ally)

Almost everything revolves around that one moment where you lock an enemy down either with bulls rush bolas and your F1 skill and you either kill them instantly or they cleanse themselves and just mop the floor with you. The warrior has a very small window to be effective and it feels like it is to deal as much as damage as quickly as possible/stack up as many bleeds as you can. Unfortunately classes like the thief and mesmer are much much better at this while bringing superior survivability in the form of mobility/stealth and NPC allys or portals. I imagine most people would be fine with this if warriors had some form of decent self-sustainability/survivability. As it is heavy armor and an extra 3k life over the other professions just doesn’t cut it for what we give up for it. Look at how much better a guardian is at supporting their allies and keeping themselves up. It’s shocking how they are so much more inherently tanky than warriors while bringing roughly the same damage.

Right now warriors feels like a hybrid class between theif or mesmer and gaurdian. We have small group utility in the form of banners and shots coupled with (typically) single target burst skills. However in this case we are jack of trades decent in none. Necros condition better than us, mesmers/theives damage/burst harder than us, and gaurdians tank better/bring more utility than us. It’s not that warriors are straight up awful or that they aren’t fun to play. It’s that currently every niche we can trait for is currently out-performed by at least one other class.

Not if you keep going with the warrior, they are extremely gimmicky and situational.

Change now that it’s early.

By the way, shamans didn’t have it THAT bad. They only had a bad period of PvE healing in cataclysm,but they were the absolute best PvP healers, don’t excaggerate, it’s not like you had a druid (like I did) who got to be the worst PvE healers the last tier and the worst PvP healers for the whole expansion. (unless you were playing elemental or enhancement, in which case, I take back my words ^^)

But ye, I know that feeling.

I’m really disappointed that we’re totally shafted by the combo system.

Feels like every other guy I came across tonight popped chaos armor practically on demand.

kyokara.1867:

You’ve picked an average class, not a kitten one.

Average = kitten.

Disappointing to see lulzy thieves who deal massive burst, can’t bee seen half the time, and have great utility for escaping. Such a burden they bear, being slightly weaker at PvE while leveling.

I love the warriors in this game.

So much so, I’ve got two so far. One Human 33, and one Norn I just started.
I’m not one of those Greatsword runners either. I run sword/axe and Rifle. I have few issues leveling pve. And when I do run into problems, I think my way through them until I know how to over come them.

OP, you chose a great profession. Don’t let the forums get you down. I say at least give it until level 21. Then you’ll know if you want to go to the end with the warrior.

Warriors are fine, but they’re subpar at 1v1, which is what a kittenload of players focus on.

I’m not sure that you’ll think your fate has changed, but I love my Warrior.

Sekin.7803:

Switched to WOW, picked shaman again, BIG mistake.

Resto shaman OP. Go heals or go home.

Warrios are not fine, it’s either they’re balanced and everything else is opd. Sorry, but the guardian does more damage and has more defence at the same time with 10 times more utility…how is that fair?

Does more damage? Has more defense at the same time? 10x the utility at the same time?

I’m not sure what class you’re playing, but it isn’t Warrior.

Really? you think the warrior has more damage/defence/utility than the guardian?

I will put it this way: I have to try way too hard for my liking to kill most classes 1v1. Compare my level of difficulty to that of a thief or Mesmer in a 1v1 situation and the difference if laughable. However, not every class excels in 1v1. Warriors are great in groups, which I cannot say is as true for mesmers. Thieves, however, are the exception to the rule, excelling in groups just as well as they do solo.

Just get ready for the “this game isn’t balanced around 1v1” statements. I don’t disagree with it myself, but just warning of the upcoming spammage.

Tldr: Nerf death blossom. I thought offensive defensive abilities that rogues had in WoW would stay only in WoW but I was incorrect. See cloak of shadows, evasion, combat readiness.

A Warrior can Frenzy/Bull’s Charge/100B/Whirlwind Attack for most of a kill. That isn’t too hard. The kicker is that people figure out how to counter it, so you have to figure out what to do when they know how to beat you.

Same rules apply for Thieves. They can do an easy combo and beat you as long as you don’t know how to beat it. Figure it out, and the Thief has to figure something out themselves.

This is how games evolve. Unfortunately, people tend to think they’re playing optimally at all times, so the other side must be doing something OP because they’re doing everything in their power to not lose. Except they aren’t.

In short, if you have aspirations for a particular top-tier sPvP role, you might want to do more research. If you’re just playing because the game’s fun, Warrior’s a very versatile class that, in my opinion, is loads of fun.

Ive been very pleased with Warrior thus far. I run a Sword/Axe and Rifle semi dps/support build that gives me enough things to keep me busy that I never feel that sense of building up to that one trick that I did when I tried Greatsword or other pure DPS builds. Went heavy into Tactics which lets me switch out if needbe to horn and shouts for more of a support role. Not the highest DPS but also not the glass cannon effect I seem to see alot of other Warriors suffering from.

warriors are average, I’d even dare say above average. so looks like your luck is changing

had you picked necromancer, then yes, fate would be screwing with you again

Honestly. I LOVE my warrior, i can’t get myself to play any other chars I’ve made.

The only ones i really really have trouble with in wvw or spvp are tanky guardians, who needs a nerf anyway.

That’s about it, i am not holding back on any other class. The warrior is really well balanced and once they iron out some of the minor bugs and small fixes they need everything will be swell!

The warrior is really well balanced, anyone who try and tell you otherwise will either have a learn to play issue (read: 5 signet warriors in pvp) or the class is simply not for them!

You rely heavily on your medium length cooldowns in PvP, once you realize this and plan accordingly you will have so much fun!

To give an example i play Greatsword/Axe-Shield for PvE and WvW with knights armor, melandru runes, 30 in defence in all specs for the endure pain and zerk jewelry.

For sPvP im currently running an axe/mace-mace/shield combo. You have a 1200 range aoe stun and can dish out heavy burst and steady sustainable dps while situationally locking down some1 for 90% of a fight!

Hope you can use my post, feel free to PM me if there is anything you would like tips on!

/Omx – Desolation (EU)

My elementalist with 14K health has 5 times the survivability of my warrior. She can also kite 4-6 people without much problems. The warrior can’t survive 2-3.

And that’s while I’m also being able to give our every possible condition, do dmg and also heal my team for tons.

If that doesn’t tell you anything…

Here is the problem with the warrior. Warrior’s aren’t for simple minded people. Now you might be thinking.“OMFG How insulting.” Yet no, they are not made for people who want an easy win. First of all EVERY skill in EVERY weapon is useful. Now you may say “Q_Q GREAT SWORD BLADES LALALA!!!” For one you #1 skill chains giving you fluid damage during a multiple enemies or single target combat. 100 blades does a lot of damage if you keep your enemy in front of you, in PvE this easy as the Ai of the mobs isn’t programmed to be over challenging. In any form of pvp people like to pair it with berserker stance I think it was…? kitten I don’t use cheap tricks so I don’t remember, but anyways quickness makes you stack crap so you can one shot bad players. The whirlwind skill is a beast and deals almost as much damage as hundred blades if used correctly < key word you need to know how the F. you use it.

The skill that throws your sword forgot the name can be used as an opening or a follow up for the whirlwind skill and the charge, well is a bit buggy atm, but it can easily follow your throw sword to catch again with the enemy. I used GS warrior a lot I must admit, but I grew bored of them.

Dual wielders pack a lot of damage and can’t be either CC, heavy damage, AoE or condition damage dealers. This make them very versatile as well as having the ability to interrupt like crazy if going mace and shield. Again you need to know what you doing.

Hammer gives you massive control over encounters, this means you can 1 v 1 without problems if you know what you doing.

Long range with a warrior is easy with rifles and a bit more annoying I would say with long bows but this is very situational.

In dungeons warrior can bring heavy buffs as well as additional healing, don’t go with the garbage people tell you Aka: G.S/Rifle 5 signets build. That build will get you to the floor a lot and will give your party nothing at all, at your best you be using your rifle the whole dungeon and then coming to the forums to Q_Q about how warriors suck.

Now Utilities…You almost get it all, you get banners which you can spec to heal, deal damage or act as a mobile boost while giving buffs to your allies or doing mass revives to downed allies with the epic one. The epic one also allows you to revive allies in tough conditions where going melee to heal them isn’t an option. You get stances which allow you to deal more damage or mitigate damage if timed correctly as well as avoid being knock down and many other conditions that will make a game changing scenario in the end game maps. Shouts can be spec to do small AoE healing, while buffing and removing conditions or giving you some crowd control or debuffing. Also physical skills allow you to control the battlefield, even that stupid kick ability can save your team mates from death in many WvW scenarios.

Now the warrior isn’t perfect. We got some bugged skills and our down skills are pure garbage. And unless you go glass cannon GS build, we suck badly in underwater combat. Other than that I can beat almost every class 1 on 1 or 2 on one and sometimes even 3 on 1. Done some ridiculous world vs world encounters with 7 v 1, 9 v1 even I can’t count or see wtf is going on vs1. Nop I did not kill them all I died eventually but if the game didn’t had the downed mechanic I assure you they all would have died.

If you want to be a good warrior, you have to think outside the box A lot and ignore most of the builds posted online. If you notice every good warrior out there use a build that isn’t G.S + 5 signets. Or H.B. + Bolas lol. If you want an absurdly easy to play class make a Guardian. Guardians on the other side are the opposite to warriors in every way, they are covered in very flashy skills, every single skill is insanely easy to use and too good to be true, they suck damage like an endless sponge without much thinking and buff like crazy M.Fs.

@Apos, sorry but I have tanked over 9 people at once in WvW…so you really are doing it wrong. Also I believe you are exaggerating your elementalist a lot.

@ Lyonell, the few seconds of invurnability that a shield gives does not count as “tanking”.

I would expand on why each of the weapons you mentioned are not good compared to a greatsword build which is not good either (since it only works against people who don’t know how to avoid bull’s charge), but I’m having more important threads to expand on now.

If you like your warrior that much, I respect that, it’s your choise and that’s not for me to refuse or decide. Just don’t come complaining in a year about how weak warriors are compared to other classes when close to everyone gets to know their weaknesses.

@ Apos
If you consider GS being the best warrior weapon, you’ve obviously not played warrior a lot, or (because i’m sure you’ll say “I’m 80, noob”), only this build/game style. If your warrior isn’t good, maybe it’s not the warrior class, but you …

And every class got weakness, it’s your job to learn them and use them. And it’s your job to prevent them from using yours. If you really think “warrior are not balanced, they’re weak”, please just go away and stop trolling.

@Apos – I have to agree with PanH, if you think greatsword is the only good weapon you’re doing it wrong. Warrior has so many awesome things I can’t even take the time to debate it with you. Try to figure out something other than 1v1ing and bursting people with a greatsword. That’s my advice to you.

@thread OP – I’ve seen a lot of people complain that they have bad luck picking classes, but every time they’re just not bringing the class to its full potential while at the same time taking popular opinion as fact.

But anyway more on topic, the Warrior is good because it has a lot of utility as well as good damage output. Also personally I think it’s the most fun because it has the most weapons to choose from. You can do so many different builds on a Warrior.

Also, for general PvE leveling and completing areas, I think Warrior is easily the best class. This means it’s a great first class to start with before making alts.

I’ve played everything but a greatsword build by the way.

Hammer has too low range and the self-roots are plain kitten
Mace/Board and Sword/Board work ok-ish, nothing extrordinary though. Good and reliable cc for a few seconds with the right utility skills though, I give it that.
Greatsword is the current cookie cutter, but all it takes is avoiding the bull’s charge or a stun breaker and it becomes a flop.

By the way, since every class has weaknesses, please point out the weaknesses of warriors and mesmers when facing a warrior. In fact, point out their weaknesses when facing anything.

thieves and mesmers* even, kitten popping up only 1/4 of the time.

Apos, which context are you talking about when you call Warrior weak anyway? sPvP? WvW? Dungeons?

Yeah, obviously, played 3 builds without any deep in it, you know the warrior. A build isn’t only the weapon you use. You know what’s a warhorn ? An off hand weapon ? An axe maybe ? And we’re not even talking about traits, utility skills, gear.
And Greatsword is used not because it’s good (it’s not very good), but because it’s easy, so everyone can use it. There’s ways to make more damage than it, or other things (shouts, banners, stances, cc).

Weakness of warriors against warrior ? As said, depends on the build. Each classes relies on a common basis, that you have to learn how to deal with it. But the weakness of a gs build isn’t the same as of a sword/war horn/shout.
Mesmers ? Just lock the good one, and use what your build gives you.
Aoe is good, because that’ll deplete his clones too.
If you got some bleeding stats, earth’s sigil can help a lot against Mesmer. Although, if you were a bit more specific on what mesmer it is. That’s something you learn in combat : “Hm, this one seems focused on those skills with those weapons, which means … etc.”

You seems to believe there’s ONE way to play a class, and ONE way to defeat it. And more weird, you seems to believe this game is mainly about 1vs1.

Edit : Ah, thieves, really easy. They’re invisible ? Continue auto attack, and they’ll suffer. Just block or dodge Heartseeker when low on health.

@panh, first of all, skill is irrelevant to class balance. When talking about balance, a person should assume that both ends are at equal terms of playing ability.

And no, I don’t assume this game is about 1v1, that’s exactly the problem. That the rest of the classes have better utility when it comes to large fights as well as duels.

Apos.5184:

And no, I don’t assume this game is about 1v1, that’s exactly the problem. That the rest of the classes have better utility when it comes to large fights as well as duels.

Warrior is amazing for large fights thanks to warhorn, shouts, and banners. Also, the longbow is great AoE for those situations.

Apos.5184:

@panh, first of all, skill is irrelevant to class balance. When talking about balance, a person should assume that both ends are at equal terms of playing ability.

And no, I don’t assume this game is about 1v1, that’s exactly the problem. That the rest of the classes have better utility when it comes to large fights as well as duels.

Where the hell did I say that skill was relevant ? Nowhere. Thanks. It should be, that all classes are balanced, and then only skill should matter. Badly, this isn’t the case (yet).

Then, if you don’t assume this game is about 1vs1, why are you talking about specific weakness of a class against a class ? There will never be a group of warriors against a group of mesmers ….
And about large group fights …. lots of people agree that warrior is good for that. Why ?
1) CC, they’ll let time to your dps (if you’re not glass cannon) to outpace the enemy dps.
2) Shouts, banners : group effect, no need to explain more.
3) Melee attack. What is the something important about melee attack in this game ? They can hit multiple enemies at a time. Just multiply your damage output against a ranged class (most of times, ofc, some got multiples shots too, but not on every attack like us). Very useful when the battle is a big mess (often).

Warrior is amazing, i use hammer all the time and i never die and i deal a LOT of AoE damage. I dunno about PvP, i dun really care bout it :P

I was doing dungeons back to back with my quickly hashed together build of mace/board and longbow, the first for ‘tanking’ and the 2nd for damage or safety, also for immobolization.

My utilities were kick, bulls charge and stomp, and this played out amazingly. Bosses in Dungeons only go up to 5 stacks of defiant max, and the entire arsenal of stuns at my disposal is 6, which means i am able to stun one every full rotation (though there is longer CD’s to be considered in the utilities, but i digress)

We then come to non-defiant enemies. One of the most common fights in which i felt like an absolute kitten was the Lovers in AC. They are not buffed with Defiant. In these cases i was single handedly locking down an enemy, when they teleported close, i jumped in, stamped between them, instant seperation.

And while 3 seconds of block is not ‘tanking’ i am able to take hits for my team with it. It not a guardian bubble but if you stand infront of the enemy its basikittenhe same effect, and i can also do the mace block.

AC again, Kholer, his scorpion wire move, if you stand infront of an ally, use shield, you block all of the incoming wires, saving your team endurance and lives. If you co-ordinated positions, you could negate an entire OHKO move with a simple block, and for personal use the mace/OH sword parry will also save your hide.

Also i dont know how recent it was, but shouts got nerfed to 600 range. Made me sad

LB/s|wh warrior is great in WvW, very good. You’re not going to be the WoW charge in fear HS MS for wins type, this is a different game. But a warrior is a warrior, in historical sense not in WoW sense.

Getting very tired of people who claim GS is a HB one trick pony. HB should really only be used to force a doge, the other abilities (WW, autoattack, sword throw) all do very very high damage compared to other weapons, and are usually much better at finishing people.

Lmao you can’t be serious. Warriors are by far the most powerful class in PVP currently. PVE wise they don’t have to think, stand still whack away.

In PVP they have a rifle ability called volley, that killed me and my other level 80 friend whoo stood next to each other, almost instantaneously. The hammer is like a knock down death machine. The great sword does ridiculous crits and if a warrior is tanky? Good luck killing him. Everyother class is either a glass cannon OR tanky. The warrior does both at the same time, he’s the supreme killing machine who rarely dies….brings back memories of my W/Mo from GW1, impossible for people to kill me even 2v1 in that game.

Atrixer:

Cool story bro.

So you come here to post about a class you dont know nothing about and you dont event have a max level char (62 engineer at sept 27th).

Learn to play your class and stop trashtalking.
Engineers, Guardians and Mesmers are the OP classes in the game atm and Warriors at 80 with equal gear really have to work hard to come up with answers against them.