Guild Wars 2

So I have been running my warrior, Greatsword, Sword + Axe, but I cannot seem to kill thieves or elementalists. I can slam them for half their health or more quickly but I can never finish the job without them kiting me, healing faster, and doing more damage to me over time till I’m downed.

What are a thieve’s and elemetnalists bane?

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Makes me want to pull out my ranger and poison the crap out of their healing shenanigans.

except your mobility on condi ranger is some of the worst in the game and they’ll just run away haha.

these two classes only die if they choose to die by not running away.

If you want to beat thieves, you’ll want to either chain hammer or mace stuns on them or alternatively you can fit longbow into the mix to maintain pressure on them so that they need to retreat and stealth to heal up.

With straight up power weapons and no cc you’re just gonna get schooled, as they’ll always have the advantage.

vespers is right about thieves but eles can be caught from escaping ….well irk for the looks of your build youre pretty much full glass cannon and ima stop there because idk what kind of runes, sigils or buffs you use and those can make a difference. i hope your talking about wvw o_o and not pvp

this is how i see it, once you face them and damage them really quick. they soon figure they wont win the fight that way, so they rely on kiting, cripple,chill,immoblize or poison you to death and because you only have healing signet for heal and no stances they can over heal you over time

my advice is updating your build to something more common that warriors use and go a bit more defensive. i find thieves and eles to me some what easier for me because of my shouts to heal. so when they take their time to reset the fight, i heal with shouts and then is like what now XD

My experience with thieves is that the best way to kill them is with condis. You apply them when theyre not stealthed, and whereas they can avoid direct damage when you cant see them, your condis will still be ticking. So as boring as it sounds Ive found the best build for dealing with thieves is the standard cele shoutbow/sword warrior.

darkaheart.4265:

idk what kind of runes, sigils or buffs you use and those can make a difference. i hope your talking about wvw o_o and not pvp

ya, its WvW
My runes on my armor are superior evasion because of the cripple which is turned to immobalize from a trait which gives me fury and the roll itself gives me swiftness and fury (stacking duration).

I’m using a sigil of air, nullification and purity on my weapons. I just don’t see much use for other sigils.

From what I’ve read from the thread so far is that the play style of my warrior demands sniping the already injured people more than a 1v1 of someone who is paying attention at least as far as elementalists and thieves. Surely if I was in a group fight things would be different.

tboneking.2531:

My experience with thieves is that the best way to kill them is with condis. You apply them when theyre not stealthed, and whereas they can avoid direct damage when you cant see them, your condis will still be ticking. So as boring as it sounds Ive found the best build for dealing with thieves is the standard cele shoutbow/sword warrior.

Most thieves you’ll see in WvW are running at least 2 points in Shadow Arts, which takes away 1 condi every 3 seconds while in stealth-the first tick immediately when stealth is applied. And if they don’t attack out of stealth, the minimum amount of stealth thieves get is 3seconds, which equals 2 conditions removed.

Turk.5460:

tboneking.2531:

My experience with thieves is that the best way to kill them is with condis. You apply them when theyre not stealthed, and whereas they can avoid direct damage when you cant see them, your condis will still be ticking. So as boring as it sounds Ive found the best build for dealing with thieves is the standard cele shoutbow/sword warrior.

Most thieves you’ll see in WvW are running at least 2 points in Shadow Arts, which takes away 1 condi every 3 seconds while in stealth-the first tick immediately when stealth is applied. And if they don’t attack out of stealth, the minimum amount of stealth thieves get is 3seconds, which equals 2 conditions removed.

I had assumed he was talking about pvp. I dont believe that trait is commonly taken there?

Oh haha, he didn’t say so I assumed WvW, cause that’s all I think about nowadays. ;p

tboneking.2531:

My experience with thieves is that the best way to kill them is with condis. You apply them when theyre not stealthed, and whereas they can avoid direct damage when you cant see them, your condis will still be ticking. So as boring as it sounds Ive found the best build for dealing with thieves is the standard cele shoutbow/sword warrior.

Unless thieves haven’t spec’ed condi cleanse on stealth you can’t kill them with condis… this might happen only by accident.

In general, the best thing to deal with a thief is not roam alone as in solo roam thieves are kings. Even if they are losing a fight (mostly due to their own mistakes) they just reset and come back and the 2nd time they ’ll face you your skills are on CD.

Imho the Thief design is … lets say “asymetrical” compared to the rest profession designs. Thieves have 2 major shortcomings (on the drawing-board at least)… they can’t take many hits (little armor) and are conditions can drain their life quick (small health pool). BUT thieves can overcome these 2 shortcomings by having too many means to negate them. So, direct damage is negated by blinds and/or evades while conditions (when you manage to apply them on the thief) can be cleansed by a thief way too easy and reliably. In the end, even if you manage to deal enough damage to a thief he can stealth and regen. And this kind of performance can’t be seen at any other profession.

I mean, every profession has its shortcomings and while thief has a fair share of them, they have at least one mean to negate each shortcoming. Think of it otherwise… which professions are recommended to go full zerker in WvW???

^you can roam as a full zerker warrior just fine, it’s just about knowing your matchups and judging carefully when/how to egnage/disengage, thief isn’t the only zerker that can go about the borderlands.

adozu.6398:

^you can roam as a full zerker warrior just fine, it’s just about knowing your matchups and judging carefully when/how to egnage/disengage, thief isn’t the only zerker that can go about the borderlands.

Ofc warrior can roam in full zerker gear and do just fine. Its just that thief can do as well, but can pick the wrong fight and still be able to disengage and leave the fight alive… not to mention they can re-engage as soon as they regen.

To put it simply, zerker warr can do fine… thief can do even better!

tboneking.2531:

Turk.5460:

tboneking.2531:

My experience with thieves is that the best way to kill them is with condis. You apply them when theyre not stealthed, and whereas they can avoid direct damage when you cant see them, your condis will still be ticking. So as boring as it sounds Ive found the best build for dealing with thieves is the standard cele shoutbow/sword warrior.

Most thieves you’ll see in WvW are running at least 2 points in Shadow Arts, which takes away 1 condi every 3 seconds while in stealth-the first tick immediately when stealth is applied. And if they don’t attack out of stealth, the minimum amount of stealth thieves get is 3seconds, which equals 2 conditions removed.

I had assumed he was talking about pvp. I dont believe that trait is commonly taken there?

Panic strike build takes 2 into SA for exactly that Trait.
Most thieves run that 6/0/2/0/6, It’s rare to find D/P thieves running anything else.
Simple reason being is that they really need it. Thieves got terrible condi cleansing.

That brings me a bit on topic. Thieves who play with such stealth do get eaten by AoE.
Invisible doesn’t equal invincible. Keep in mind that they’re bound to a timer when they stealth (3 or 4 seconds, depending on their build) most thieves wait until that last second for their backstab so that they can reposition.
Any mobility impeding abilities will also really mess them up.

For eles, see if you can keep up some poison and try to keep pressure on them when they cycle through water. They heal for sure, keeping up the pressure is really the only thing you can do.
Against D/D eles it also works just like with thieves. Screw with their mobility and they can’t do much then.

So I’d suggest switching either of your weapon sets to be able to do something along those lines.