Guild Wars 2

I remember that was a common build that was used in party with multiple warriors. If I don’t mistaken, Ele is the only other class that can buff might at the same rate (if not higher).

So, my question is if this trait is still viable or not (in dungeon/fractals of course).

4/4/0/6/0? GS main?

This build is what makes a pug group decent. In any sort of organised pve group, not a single warrior should equip it, the ele will give you all the might you need.

but as far as carrying a pug group goes it works wonders.

Cygnus.6903:

This build is what makes a pug group decent. In any sort of organised pve group, not a single warrior should equip it, the ele will give you all the might you need.

In the current meta speedclear groups (Warrior,Engi,Guard,Ele,Thief /Mesmer)
A Phalanx warrior becomes very useful in dungeons where bossfights are longer than 15 seconds for example in coe.
In practice it’s hard to re-stack might after 15 seconds with one elementalist during the whole fight. timewarps and guardianfields can overwrite the firefield. Furthermore, if your elementalist has to re stack might he won’t be able to play with staff during bossfights. This can be a significant disadvantage sometimes.

We did a coe full run yesterday with engi and ele and capped might at 25, along with fury and vuln. Just get a lightning hammer, pop timewarp at the start of the ffight, when it’s done, get your stack might rotation again, pop lh, 25 might, yolo.

To answer the op, I wouldn’t recommend phalanx strenght in pugs where the group dps is low already, it’ll be faster to let them do whatever and solo the encounters with a 6/5/0/0/3. It’s a good trait, but getting a better team synergy and capping might without is always better.

Then we are probably just to bad and go the easy way to compensate bad elementalists.
However, we tested it in the mists. The dps difference from PS-Warrior / Staff Elemenatlist compared to Dps-Warrior / Lightninghammer Elementalist was hardly noticeable and you don’t have to pay attention to set firefields / timewarps / guardfields properly.

PS is great for stacking Might when you have any of the following scenarios…

1. No ele with strength runes in group. Even a single scepter/* ele with strength runes is sufficient to render PS redundant.

2. No ele and less than 3 warriors. 3x warriors with For Great Justice and one dropping a fire field with banners in it is sufficient Might. If you have no ele and 2 or less warriors it will be a struggle.

3. Not enough organization to blast fire fields. You can get 25 Might with a 1w, 1g, 1nec, 1ranger, 1 mesmer group so long as everyone is organized enough to blast a fire field. However, if the team is lazy and unorganized that group will struggle with Might.

As far as PS goes I would run 050603 because with Fast Hands you can at least retain the same DPS rotation and playstyle of the meta dps build. If forced to solo something (everyone else dies at lupicus for example) you won’t be crucially kitten.

PS isn’t worth using. Oxtred’s post above summarizes the reality, which is that the gain simply does not justify the loss in lackluster pug groups. It’s nice that you want to be a team player but considering the huge sacrifices you have to make for it… you’re putting yourself in the position where you rely on the pugs because should they fail, you have horrific personal DPS. I don’t consider this as much of a ‘pug carrier’ because you’re kind of relying on them which from personal experience is a bad idea in pugs.

Under no circumstances would I recommend traiting for it really.

dominik.9721:

Cygnus.6903:

This build is what makes a pug group decent. In any sort of organised pve group, not a single warrior should equip it, the ele will give you all the might you need.

In the current meta speedclear groups (Warrior,Engi,Guard,Ele,Thief /Mesmer)
A Phalanx warrior becomes very useful in dungeons where bossfights are longer than 15 seconds for example in coe.
In practice it’s hard to re-stack might after 15 seconds with one elementalist during the whole fight. timewarps and guardianfields can overwrite the firefield. Furthermore, if your elementalist has to re stack might he won’t be able to play with staff during bossfights. This can be a significant disadvantage sometimes.

If you have both ele and engi it should be a non-issue as the engie can keep dropping Firebombs and Napalms while the ele just auto-attacks with hammer. The ele and engi should ideally have Strength runes too so the might should last about 30 seconds which is more than enough time to do a couple of extra blasts.

In our run ( nothing optimized, casual coe run), we maintained 25 might without strenght runes i believe, at least me as engi was scholar, and no one took the 2nd LH, so it should be possible to get to 25 with 2 hammers and full scholar. Also, having to coordinate for fire fields is really a good feeling, seeing all these “area might” without playing ele ^^

I run it and love. Yet it is circumstantial at best. In a pug dungeon run, almost always. But I will reconsider if I see an ele, then end up running it anyway, because I see they have a staff :P I often get more full signet warrior than I ever care to see, so will run it then. As far as a loss in DPS? I feel that the stacks of might make up for whatever DPS I may have lost when traiting for PS

Phalanx is a viable build But but it depends on the team you are running with and the boss/mobs you r fighting. With so many possibilities it hard to go further in depth a ab to when it’s good. You need to understand the basics of the other classes and the fights you are going into to be able to decide if it’s the right build

pdavis.8031:

I run it and love. Yet it is circumstantial at best. In a pug dungeon run, almost always. But I will reconsider if I see an ele, then end up running it anyway, because I see they have a staff :P I often get more full signet warrior than I ever care to see, so will run it then. As far as a loss in DPS? I feel that the stacks of might make up for whatever DPS I may have lost when traiting for PS

You don’t get the extra PS stacks, only your allies, so it really depends on team DPS and how much might they’re getting without you. If your allies are getting 0 stacks without you, it’ll probably be worth it no matter how poorly specced they are, but if they’re already sitting at around 10-15 stacks with their own gear and skills, the gain is going to be pretty marginal or even negative after factoring your personal DPS loss.

As I said we didn’t spot a difference by using a PS-Warrior and a Staff – Elementalist compared to a Dps-Warrior and a Lightninghammer-Elementalist except that we didn’t have to care about lightning/fire/chaosfields.
It happend so often that you can’t re-stack might because either a timewarp was missplaced or a guardianfield overwrite the firefield.
But I guess every group has to decide it for it’s own.

Oh, yes it is. And my runs are always faster. Nevertheless, it really shines on fractals tho.

Guanglai Kangyi.4318:

pdavis.8031:

I run it and love. Yet it is circumstantial at best. In a pug dungeon run, almost always. But I will reconsider if I see an ele, then end up running it anyway, because I see they have a staff :P I often get more full signet warrior than I ever care to see, so will run it then. As far as a loss in DPS? I feel that the stacks of might make up for whatever DPS I may have lost when traiting for PS

You don’t get the extra PS stacks, only your allies, so it really depends on team DPS and how much might they’re getting without you. If your allies are getting 0 stacks without you, it’ll probably be worth it no matter how poorly specced they are, but if they’re already sitting at around 10-15 stacks with their own gear and skills, the gain is going to be pretty marginal or even negative after factoring your personal DPS loss.

True, I may not get full benefits, but I can get around 18 stacks for myself, and 20-23 stacks for the party. And that brings up my DPS to a little bit more than what I do normally.

pdavis.8031:

Guanglai Kangyi.4318:

pdavis.8031:

I run it and love. Yet it is circumstantial at best. In a pug dungeon run, almost always. But I will reconsider if I see an ele, then end up running it anyway, because I see they have a staff :P I often get more full signet warrior than I ever care to see, so will run it then. As far as a loss in DPS? I feel that the stacks of might make up for whatever DPS I may have lost when traiting for PS

You don’t get the extra PS stacks, only your allies, so it really depends on team DPS and how much might they’re getting without you. If your allies are getting 0 stacks without you, it’ll probably be worth it no matter how poorly specced they are, but if they’re already sitting at around 10-15 stacks with their own gear and skills, the gain is going to be pretty marginal or even negative after factoring your personal DPS loss.

True, I may not get full benefits, but I can get around 18 stacks for myself, and 20-23 stacks for the party. And that brings up my DPS to a little bit more than what I do normally.

You would get the might even without Phalanx, the benefit of Phalanx is purely for other people.

pdavis.8031:

Guanglai Kangyi.4318:

pdavis.8031:

I run it and love. Yet it is circumstantial at best. In a pug dungeon run, almost always. But I will reconsider if I see an ele, then end up running it anyway, because I see they have a staff :P I often get more full signet warrior than I ever care to see, so will run it then. As far as a loss in DPS? I feel that the stacks of might make up for whatever DPS I may have lost when traiting for PS

You don’t get the extra PS stacks, only your allies, so it really depends on team DPS and how much might they’re getting without you. If your allies are getting 0 stacks without you, it’ll probably be worth it no matter how poorly specced they are, but if they’re already sitting at around 10-15 stacks with their own gear and skills, the gain is going to be pretty marginal or even negative after factoring your personal DPS loss.

True, I may not get full benefits, but I can get around 18 stacks for myself, and 20-23 stacks for the party. And that brings up my DPS to a little bit more than what I do normally.

No it doesn’t. You take a monstrous loss in personal DPS to provide the might to the others. Even if you’re in full berserker with either scholar or strength runes and full ascended, your personal DPS is so much lower that the gain from the might stacks that the party can get is relatively close to being offset…

Like, the pugs would have to be good for it to be worthwhile which makes it a totally redundant trait; if the pugs are good, they won’t require measures like this for partywide might :P

Better leave that job to the ele.

You will see PS being used in record runs this meta. Feel free to disbelieve.

Everyone was complaining about how easy was pve with the fgs meta and when they have the opportunity to spam autoattack instead of planning fire fields they jump on it.. bring back my fgs.

Not so much that people are lazy, its that certain dungeon paths provide no special incentive to bring ele besides Might stacking. If you can run a better team comp (for the path) without an ele because of PS then its worth thinking about.

First of all, I want to thank you all who replied to this topic. All of you helped me to obtain a bigger picture of the situation.

Furthermore, while I too think that most dungeon are easy, I wanted to ask the efficenty of PS in Fractal.
Also, I was thinking to use strenght rune even on my 6/5/0/0/3 warrior, because I don’t run with organized groups, so I dont trust myself enought to play with Scholar runes.
So, in this scenario, do you think I can constanly switch easly between the two builds?

Zaganna.6034:

First of all, I want to thank you all who replied to this topic. All of you helped me to obtain a bigger picture of the situation.

Furthermore, while I too think that most dungeon are easy, I wanted to ask the efficenty of PS in Fractal.
Also, I was thinking to use strenght rune even on my 6/5/0/0/3 warrior, because I don’t run with organized groups, so I dont trust myself enought to play with Scholar runes.
So, in this scenario, do you think I can constanly switch easly between the two builds?

I would say no to PS in fractals because you can’t really stay stacked on a boss long enough to make it worth ur own personal dps loss. There are places where it works. Such as bloom hunger. But as a general rule stick to the dps build

Fractal is actually the only place where I’m not complaining about ps, and I usually complain a lot.

Purple Miku.7032:

pdavis.8031:

Guanglai Kangyi.4318:

pdavis.8031:

I run it and love. Yet it is circumstantial at best. In a pug dungeon run, almost always. But I will reconsider if I see an ele, then end up running it anyway, because I see they have a staff :P I often get more full signet warrior than I ever care to see, so will run it then. As far as a loss in DPS? I feel that the stacks of might make up for whatever DPS I may have lost when traiting for PS

You don’t get the extra PS stacks, only your allies, so it really depends on team DPS and how much might they’re getting without you. If your allies are getting 0 stacks without you, it’ll probably be worth it no matter how poorly specced they are, but if they’re already sitting at around 10-15 stacks with their own gear and skills, the gain is going to be pretty marginal or even negative after factoring your personal DPS loss.

True, I may not get full benefits, but I can get around 18 stacks for myself, and 20-23 stacks for the party. And that brings up my DPS to a little bit more than what I do normally.

No it doesn’t. You take a monstrous loss in personal DPS to provide the might to the others. Even if you’re in full berserker with either scholar or strength runes and full ascended, your personal DPS is so much lower that the gain from the might stacks that the party can get is relatively close to being offset…

Like, the pugs would have to be good for it to be worthwhile which makes it a totally redundant trait; if the pugs are good, they won’t require measures like this for partywide might :P

Better leave that job to the ele.

The pugs don’t actually have to be that good unless they’re specifically built for lots of might stacking and no DPS (like having multiple staff guardians spamming Empower). If you can actually add the full 25 stacks to the party the actual required break-even DPS for each individual party member is actually really low. Like full knights, no DPS spec bearbow low.

Purple Miku.7032:

pdavis.8031:

Guanglai Kangyi.4318:

pdavis.8031:

I run it and love. Yet it is circumstantial at best. In a pug dungeon run, almost always. But I will reconsider if I see an ele, then end up running it anyway, because I see they have a staff :P I often get more full signet warrior than I ever care to see, so will run it then. As far as a loss in DPS? I feel that the stacks of might make up for whatever DPS I may have lost when traiting for PS

You don’t get the extra PS stacks, only your allies, so it really depends on team DPS and how much might they’re getting without you. If your allies are getting 0 stacks without you, it’ll probably be worth it no matter how poorly specced they are, but if they’re already sitting at around 10-15 stacks with their own gear and skills, the gain is going to be pretty marginal or even negative after factoring your personal DPS loss.

True, I may not get full benefits, but I can get around 18 stacks for myself, and 20-23 stacks for the party. And that brings up my DPS to a little bit more than what I do normally.

No it doesn’t. You take a monstrous loss in personal DPS to provide the might to the others. Even if you’re in full berserker with either scholar or strength runes and full ascended, your personal DPS is so much lower that the gain from the might stacks that the party can get is relatively close to being offset…

Like, the pugs would have to be good for it to be worthwhile which makes it a totally redundant trait; if the pugs are good, they won’t require measures like this for partywide might :P

Better leave that job to the ele.

While I agree that good pug groups would be better of with an ele stacking might for the party, I don’t run speed runs, and generally run with a pug group that isn’t good. (maybe it’s just my luck). In any case it is circumstancial, and I don’t run it always.

However, just for kicks and giggles, this is what I generally run:
http://gw2skills.net/editor/?fJAQJAnXjMd09ZnHWewJagggycBEAR/1i+E0VGA-TVSGABA8AAMTPggq/MqSwEOBAEp84j9HmRJGWm4AA-w

If I’m doing a PS build I will run:
http://gw2skills.net/editor/?fJAQJARTjMd03ZtHWewJagjgyUAceC2gFIdPsDLPA-TVSGABA8AAEU9nRVCmwFAgIlHfs/AF6CmRJGWm4AA-w

With the stacks of might I can provide on myself, I have a bit more attack power then what I normally run. Of course DPS is greatly diminished without any stacks of might. And again, it’s circumstancial at best. Either way I like it.

Guanglai Kangyi.4318:

The pugs don’t actually have to be that good unless they’re specifically built for lots of might stacking and no DPS (like having multiple staff guardians spamming Empower). If you can actually add the full 25 stacks to the party the actual required break-even DPS for each individual party member is actually really low. Like full knights, no DPS spec bearbow low.

I admit I exaggerated a bit with the remark about breaking even, yeah.

The point I was ultimately trying to make is that the gain isn’t nearly as substantial as it’s frequently made out to be and the loss the warrior has to take for it is obnoxiously higher than made out to be. If an ele, which provides both fury AND longer-lasting might does the job, the gain is substantially higher.

pdavis.8031:

While I agree that good pug groups would be better of with an ele stacking might for the party, I don’t run speed runs, and generally run with a pug group that isn’t good. (maybe it’s just my luck). In any case it is circumstancial, and I don’t run it always.

However, just for kicks and giggles, this is what I generally run:
http://gw2skills.net/editor/?fJAQJAnXjMd09ZnHWewJagggycBEAR/1i+E0VGA-TVSGABA8AAMTPggq/MqSwEOBAEp84j9HmRJGWm4AA-w

If I’m doing a PS build I will run:
http://gw2skills.net/editor/?fJAQJARTjMd03ZtHWewJagjgyUAceC2gFIdPsDLPA-TVSGABA8AAEU9nRVCmwFAgIlHfs/AF6CmRJGWm4AA-w

With the stacks of might I can provide on myself, I have a bit more attack power then what I normally run. Of course DPS is greatly diminished without any stacks of might. And again, it’s circumstancial at best. Either way I like it.

Erm… hmm, nevermind. There are way, way, way too many things that I disagree with in your two build editor links for me to give proper insight on

I understand that you aren’t trying to optimize your combat efficacy, which is fine.

You should do what pleases you— I just posted because I didn’t like reading things like “you should be running PS” spread around, that’s all. It’s fine if someone wants to use it, but I don’t find it fine to tell people that in any circumstance people should be using it.

It reminds me of when everybody was making a huge deal about how warriors should always be bringing EA, when the reality was that the trait was crippling more than it was beneficial in every circumstance besides FGSing a boss down (which is now nerfed).

Either way, glad to have shared opinions here with you guys!

Purple Miku.7032:

Guanglai Kangyi.4318:

The pugs don’t actually have to be that good unless they’re specifically built for lots of might stacking and no DPS (like having multiple staff guardians spamming Empower). If you can actually add the full 25 stacks to the party the actual required break-even DPS for each individual party member is actually really low. Like full knights, no DPS spec bearbow low.

I admit I exaggerated a bit with the remark about breaking even, yeah.

The point I was ultimately trying to make is that the gain isn’t nearly as substantial as it’s frequently made out to be and the loss the warrior has to take for it is obnoxiously higher than made out to be. If an ele, which provides both fury AND longer-lasting might does the job, the gain is substantially higher.

pdavis.8031:

While I agree that good pug groups would be better of with an ele stacking might for the party, I don’t run speed runs, and generally run with a pug group that isn’t good. (maybe it’s just my luck). In any case it is circumstancial, and I don’t run it always.

However, just for kicks and giggles, this is what I generally run:
http://gw2skills.net/editor/?fJAQJAnXjMd09ZnHWewJagggycBEAR/1i+E0VGA-TVSGABA8AAMTPggq/MqSwEOBAEp84j9HmRJGWm4AA-w

If I’m doing a PS build I will run:
http://gw2skills.net/editor/?fJAQJARTjMd03ZtHWewJagjgyUAceC2gFIdPsDLPA-TVSGABA8AAEU9nRVCmwFAgIlHfs/AF6CmRJGWm4AA-w

With the stacks of might I can provide on myself, I have a bit more attack power then what I normally run. Of course DPS is greatly diminished without any stacks of might. And again, it’s circumstancial at best. Either way I like it.

Erm… hmm, nevermind. There are way, way, way too many things that I disagree with in your two build editor links for me to give proper insight on

I understand that you aren’t trying to optimize your combat efficacy, which is fine.

You should do what pleases you— I just posted because I didn’t like reading things like “you should be running PS” spread around, that’s all. It’s fine if someone wants to use it, but I don’t find it fine to tell people that in any circumstance people should be using it.

It reminds me of when everybody was making a huge deal about how warriors should always be bringing EA, when the reality was that the trait was crippling more than it was beneficial in every circumstance besides FGSing a boss down (which is now nerfed).

Either way, glad to have shared opinions here with you guys!

Thanks for this message, I was in Arah for 2 mins and was removed because I wasn’t a PS Warrior. The person told me, they could spend several hours explaining how PS is better than all other warrior builds and he would make me look like a fool. I countered explaining how PS isn’t always the best. He then said, “forget this, I’m not running with this guy!” and kicked me lol.

With the new trait system, there is almost no reason not to run PS in groups.
The party-wide might PS provides, even if they are doing kitten DPS, its just going to be better than the 4s quickness from heightened focus.
The replies in this thread are from before the 23th of june patch, when you actually had to sacrifice a lot of personal dps to run PS