Guild Wars 2

Let’s face it, Warrior is only useful because of the incredibly unfair Banner elite. Without it no serious team would use a Warrior, because everything this class does, Ele does better. However, people are getting better and better at countering Banner, e.g. the increasing amount of DPS Guards using Banish to mess it up, poison, CC rain etc.

I think Warrior’s days may be coming to an end. And no other build is even close in power to the cheese than is Shoutbow (maybe the mercy banner kitten build is close). Everything else is a crappy generalist fighter, be it direct damage or condi. They’d have to overhaul the whole profession, because most of our skills are just “hits” and have incredibly obvious animations, while the real game revolves around instant casts, AoE and conditions.

I have to disagree. I honestly don’t know where this is coming from. I never use banner in PvP and rarely see other warriors use it either, but we all do just fine. Warrior is most definitely not being held up by banner exclusively.

The OP is bad and will stay bad even if Warrior becomes broken.

We don’t want another D/D ele, or another hambow, or another “please give me an evade frame eater skill because I’m too bad to land important skills.”

Nerf to balance is the answer. But lets give warrior instant cast bulls charge, evade-eater Fear Me, and 50% attack speed on axe anyways.

Well, no it’s not going to become obsolete. Shoutbow warrior is brokenly OP for teamplay but it’s AIDS for 1v1. Warriors in PvE also are the new mightbot due to Phalanx Strength and scepter+LH eles are going to be a thing of the past once expansion comes probably.

The thing is warrior isn’t really in that bad of a shape unless you’re referring to its damage output. Arenanet still hasn’t fixed Berserker’s Power with burst skills, and pointlessly nerfed greatsword and indirectly destroyed warrior DPS with a lot of other nerfs over the year.

Right now, it’s just not where it should be damage-wise. It’s true that other classes can burst and dish out sustained DPS much better.

However, warrior still has a few things that are [brokenly] overpowered, such as Phalanx Strength in PvE.

After having tried shoutbow for several days in PvP I have to say it feels like I’m cheating when I use it. You basically cannot die against 1 person on point with it unless you let them, otherwise they will just not kill you. In terms of sustain, warriors are OP. This garbage is meta for a reason. However it can be countered, just like basically all other builds. Also D/D ele doesn’t have an easy time dealing with it, and that’s one of the most often-complained-about builds in all of PvP is it not?

Anyways, despite what any of you or I think about warrior right now it’s going to get majorly strong (at least, in PvE) on the expansion. You will see why soon enough.

P.S. – BlackTruth calls basically everyone in the game bad, yet begs people to watch his stream every other post. Keep that in mind while you decide for yourself whether or not you should take his post above or anything else he has to say seriously.

I think Warrior’s pvp weakness is F1 skills mostly predictable. So they can be interrupted, evaded, blocked, hided by obstacle and even missed easily.

How many times you can stop other classes to cast their F1 skills in a match?

I’m not sure whether ele can take warrior’s place. The number of ele may be more than warrior, but I’ve just seen thieves and rangers are much more. So this is not the problem of who can do better, but WHO CAN BE ABLE TO HIT HARDER, TO RUSH RIVALS instead.

Oh and APEX and Abjured are using Warriors. Two top teams in NA and a bunch of top teams in EU possibly. How are Warriors obsolete again?

This is why people don’t like it when casuals or talentless bad players “voice” their opinions when they are just not good enough to have one in the first place.

Stay classy.

BlackTruth.6813:

This is why people don’t like it when casuals or talentless bad players “voice” their opinions when they are just not good enough to have one in the first place.

Stay classy.

This is a bit too 1939 to be classy bud.

Op: "and no other build is even close to power then shoutbow? "
Lol bezerk hambow = shoutbow counter…. You know nothing about dueling

BlackTruth.6813:

Oh and APEX and Abjured are using Warriors. Two top teams in NA and a bunch of top teams in EU possibly. How are Warriors obsolete again?

This is why people don’t like it when casuals or talentless bad players “voice” their opinions when they are just not good enough to have one in the first place.

Stay classy.

You’re notorious for being a joke of the Warrior forums, saying that zerker builds are so good. Yet nobody uses your “high risk, high reward” builds. Also, I said that Warrior is soon to become obsolete and that it’s carried by the Banner at the moment. I know that it’s being used by a few teams right now, imagine that.

Hoaxintelligence.4628:

Op: "and no other build is even close to power then shoutbow? "
Lol bezerk hambow = shoutbow counter…. You know nothing about dueling

What does anything have to do with dueling? Cele amulet is actually banned on duel servers… what are you on about? I’m talking about regular PvP matches.

I bring bezerker hambow in pvp matches and I destroy shoutbows so your claim about that shoutbow is the strongest is false.

Hoaxintelligence.4628:

I bring bezerker hambow in pvp matches and I destroy shoutbows so your claim about that shoutbow is the strongest is false.

Not really. In high lvl organized PvP shoutbow is the strongest I believe. Hambow is still decent, but shoutbow brings more to the table.

In organized PvP – where you want your team to win – killing potential and “i destroy this build” aren’t the only considerations.
Shoutbow might not be the strongest fighter – but he’s invaluable in a team scenario.

Also agree with Miku on the damage- it dropped too low in PVE.

Purple Miku.7032:

Well, no it’s not going to become obsolete. Shoutbow warrior is brokenly OP for teamplay but it’s AIDS for 1v1. Warriors in PvE also are the new mightbot due to Phalanx Strength and scepter+LH eles are going to be a thing of the past once expansion comes probably.

The thing is warrior isn’t really in that bad of a shape unless you’re referring to its damage output. Arenanet still hasn’t fixed Berserker’s Power with burst skills, and pointlessly nerfed greatsword and indirectly destroyed warrior DPS with a lot of other nerfs over the year.

Right now, it’s just not where it should be damage-wise. It’s true that other classes can burst and dish out sustained DPS much better.

However, warrior still has a few things that are [brokenly] overpowered, such as Phalanx Strength in PvE.

After having tried shoutbow for several days in PvP I have to say it feels like I’m cheating when I use it. You basically cannot die against 1 person on point with it unless you let them, otherwise they will just not kill you. In terms of sustain, warriors are OP. This garbage is meta for a reason. However it can be countered, just like basically all other builds. Also D/D ele doesn’t have an easy time dealing with it, and that’s one of the most often-complained-about builds in all of PvP is it not?

Anyways, despite what any of you or I think about warrior right now it’s going to get majorly strong (at least, in PvE) on the expansion. You will see why soon enough.

P.S. – BlackTruth calls basically everyone in the game bad, yet begs people to watch his stream every other post. Keep that in mind while you decide for yourself whether or not you should take his post above or anything else he has to say seriously.

I don’t see blacktruth as anything other than a pretentious @#$#

Warrior highest dps right now is in condi

Hoaxintelligence.4628:

I bring bezerker hambow in pvp matches and I destroy shoutbows so your claim about that shoutbow is the strongest is false.

Spvp is not about 1v1. Many builds can kill shoutbow in a duel, even pewpew rangers. But its teambased game and here he brings a lot more than your hambow will ever do. For that reason its the strongest war build.

BlackTruth.6813:

This is why people don’t like it when casuals or talentless bad players “voice” their opinions when they are just not good enough to have one in the first place.

Stay classy.

Seen a mirror lately? I’d suggest taking a good long look in it before making posts like this again.

….“Stay classy” indeed.

So long as Shoutbow stay strong Warriors will have a place in this meta. It’s hard to argue with how much condi removal, healing, boon support, and might stacking it has to offer. Hell, after the might stacking gets going the damage suddenly becomes high as well. You’ll know a “good” Shoutbow by how often they land their Final Thrust.

If Celestial gets nerfed everything is going to be up in the air. Shoutbow would still probably be decent even on Valk or Soldier ammy. Hambow will still be solid, and let’s not forget that a S/S + LB Warrior with Krait runes is still very strong especially if paired up with a condi necro. I fought a team like this and even with a Shoutbow and a D/D Ele our removal couldn’t keep up with the condi application.

War needs some reverts to old nerfs and some bug fixes, but I think it’s going to at least stay relevant for now.

hambow isnt autowin against shoutbow… hambow can be kited forever by shoutbow if needed and if you land a pindown wombo combo after waiting out zerker stance they might just fall over. id say 60% favoured hambow, but pro shoutbow player can win 100% with (lame) kiting.

anyways thats just full zerker hambow, any other stats will get their butt handed to them by shoutbow.

If a person playing hambow is gonna beat the person playing shoutbow 1 on 1 they definitely have the advantage if they’re both skilled players. The key is for them to time their interrupts when the shoutbow is trying to use combustive shot to proc cleansing ire. That’ll kitten em up good.

The Elite banner is not the only reason to pick a warrior. The possibility to heal your allies in a 1200 range is actually the reason. It is so much superior to an elementalist and an engineer because in that case you have to stay melee. 1200 range heal is a huge advantage and insanely strong if you play with a necromancer or mesmer setup.
Shoutbow warrior also provides a lot of immobilize which is super important in teamfights. There is a reason why for example abjured stopped to play with 2 eles and exchanged them with a Shoutbow.
It just seems that the most people who play shoutbow have actually no idea why.

Purple Miku.7032:

If a person playing hambow is gonna beat the person playing shoutbow 1 on 1 they definitely have the advantage if they’re both skilled players. The key is for them to time their interrupts when the shoutbow is trying to use combustive shot to proc cleansing ire. That’ll kitten em up good.

Nah shoutbow win, you wont get interupt your combustive agains’t a hambow if ur decent. And even if you get cc’d you’ll get your CS cd back when you get up.

If you use regular hambow with soldier amulet or celestial then yes, you will mostly lose from shoutbow unless they are noobie players. However, when you change your amulet to bezerker, then you can beat shoutbow. Test it for fun and you will see.
(sigil of impact over battle)

Are there any good PvT builds out there that’s viable for DW sword and GS? I’m trying to enjoy warriors, but at the moment I feel useless to the team.

Zerker is even worst^^ idk what kind of shoutbow you’ve fought but he seems to be terrible, in this case celestial hambow would have more chance than anything but shoutbow stil got the MU.

wanna duel MrKrataus? Your shoutbow vs my zerker hambow ^^

MrKrataus.6420:

in this case celestial hambow would have more chance than anything

This was a joke of yours right?

Hidden Dragon.7523:

Hoaxintelligence.4628:

MrKrataus.6420:

in this case celestial hambow would have more chance than anything

This was a joke of yours right?

I’m hoping that he made a joke. Cause a Cele hambow is obsolete vs a Cele Shoutbow. You need burst damage to win from a shoutbow, not condi/heal. You can’t outheal a shoutbow, you can’t out-condi a shoutbow (he just cleanses it). ‘Zerk’ hambow is the only viable hambow build vs a Shoutbow…

Thankyou, finally someone who understands the game.

Nope cuz you Just have to put weaknyess after his combustive shot (15s cd) and dodge HS and you’re basically safe from any burst, that why celestial cuz its more versatile and still provide almost the same burst with Intel sigil and stuff

I’ve tested it don’t worry, and I’ve way more experience than you with warrior and any kind of match-up

/w Alkore ing if you wanna test it, im on a break atm but I’ll prly gonna be on sunday

MrKrataus.6420:

Nope cuz you Just have to put weakness after his combustive shot (15s cd) and dodge HS and you’re basically safe from anyburs, that why celestial cuz its more versatile and still provide almost the same burst with Intel sigil and stuff

I’ve tested it don’t worry, and I’ve way more experience than you with warrior and any kind of match-up

Funny how you can say something like that.. I would suppose you guys go 1 v 1 ^^.

Also… you say you have more experience, based on what ? ahahah you’re such an internet Hero. I’m sure i will beat you down in less than 30 sec on my ranger :-).

I have 6742hours on my warrior. Come 1v1 me then ^^

I smell chicken

so, you accept his challenge ^^. go 1 v 1.

MrKrataus.6420:

I’ve won ton of go4/esl and im on the second best team atm, who are you?

It’s nice that you are in a pro team :-). Doesn’t mean there are players out there who are behind the ESL/Go4 scenes, able to whoop your kitten . It’s just hard to get a 5 man team with great synergy, respect for those who manage to find/build a team.

But there’s plenty players with incredible skill who are not visible in the ESL’s. Clearly, it is just an assumption (since we have no hard proof of it right now), until that player whoops you in 1 v 1 on your twitch stream or something so the world can recognize.

I played vs the top players in the world (TCG/55HP/oRNG) and have been able to take them down in 1 v 1 encounters myself as an anonymous player. But i’m not a streamer, nor am I a youtube video uploader. And I am not showing off that I am on ESL/Go4.

I respect all the players in ESL/Go4 for their dedication and I hope they can make GW2 a true eSports game. I hope to be able to get in a team where I fit in as well. But don’t use the fact your in ESL/Go4 as a statement that you have more experience or are a better player, especially in 1 v 1’s.

Aside from PvP, there’s a whole world of WvW players out there who 1 v 1 daily too, they don’t appear on ESL/Go4 either. So.. you’re not king of the world mate..

Hoaxintelligence.4628:

I have 6742hours on my warrior. Come 1v1 me then ^^

HOLY MOLY….that’s 6 hours per day, 7 days per week for 3 years!!! Yup you must know your warrior!!!

Wait how long has this game been out?

Can’t wait for a 1 v 1 ranked arena…..

@ Spartacus
Yes Im a hardcore warrior ^^

@ MrKrataus
So much big talk but no 1v1
chickennnn

MrKrataus at least played competive pvp at a high lvl in a top tier pvp team and won serveral go4s. I’m not sure if you know that but the difference between players who participate there and wvw roamers / 1v1 spvp heroes is like day and night.
He proofed many times that he’s impressive in 1on1 and 2v1 situations even against very skilled players you didn’t have faced and probably never will face.Also I’m pretty sure that he is able to handle a berserk hambow or any other forum hero, as well. But I can understand that he is not interested to waste his time.

The chicken smell is strong with this one

dominik.9721:

MrKrataus at least played competive pvp at a high lvl in a top tier pvp team and won serveral go4s. I’m not sure if you know that but the difference between players who participate there and wvw roamers / 1v1 spvp heroes is like day and night.
He proofed many times that he’s impressive in 1on1 and 2v1 situations even against very skilled players you didn’t have faced and probably never will face.Also I’m pretty sure that he is able to handle a berserk hambow or any other forum hero, as well. But I can understand that he is not interested to waste his time.

You don’t know for fact any of the things you say about other players here. Also, seeing that you had to edit your post makes you look uncertain about things you might have posted. Don’t judge what you don’t know and you might experience more things than you could imagine.

Have a lovely evening, Mr Forum Hero I lick boots.

Regardless of whether or not you can win with celestial, it’s obviously the worse choice for hambow. You should never use celestial on a warrior unless you’re using shoutheals anyways. On hambow you’d be even better off picking PTV over celestial probably, whether or not it makes me cringe to think about. Berserker is definitely best for it.

Hidden Dragon.7523:

dominik.9721:

MrKrataus at least played competive pvp at a high lvl in a top tier pvp team and won serveral go4s. I’m not sure if you know that but the difference between players who participate there and wvw roamers / 1v1 spvp heroes is like day and night.
He proofed many times that he’s impressive in 1on1 and 2v1 situations even against very skilled players you didn’t have faced and probably never will face.Also I’m pretty sure that he is able to handle a berserk hambow or any other forum hero, as well. But I can understand that he is not interested to waste his time.

You don’t know for fact any of the things you say about other players here. Also, seeing that you had to edit your post makes you look uncertain about things you might have posted. Don’t judge what you don’t know and you might experience more things than you could imagine.

Have a lovely evening, Mr Forum Hero I lick boots.

Since I already have played against EVERY of those players SERVERAL times I’m pretty confident about what I’ve said. The reason why I edited is because I added something – so actually I did exactly sth. for what the EDIT is.

I just think it’s funny that nonames go into the forums and call out top players for not doing 1v1s, allthough they already achived more in the game than you ever will.
You even don’t know the background from Alköre. He was active in WvW roaming on himself and knows what kind of players he can find there and this let your comment just look even more garbage.

I edited, makes me look unsure and not confident, mom help me

Hidden Dragon.7523:

dominik.9721:

MrKrataus at least played competive pvp at a high lvl in a top tier pvp team and won serveral go4s. I’m not sure if you know that but the difference between players who participate there and wvw roamers / 1v1 spvp heroes is like day and night.
He proofed many times that he’s impressive in 1on1 and 2v1 situations even against very skilled players you didn’t have faced and probably never will face.Also I’m pretty sure that he is able to handle a berserk hambow or any other forum hero, as well. But I can understand that he is not interested to waste his time.

You don’t know for fact any of the things you say about other players here. Also, seeing that you had to edit your post makes you look uncertain about things you might have posted. Don’t judge what you don’t know and you might experience more things than you could imagine.

Have a lovely evening, Mr Forum Hero I lick boots.

I disgaree with celestial being any good on a hambow, howered i doubt that Hoax would stand any chance vs Kratatus due to this vid;
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_rRtOY7rkuQ

Random jumpy dodges to make it look cool
Spamming important abilities such as blind in reflect – lol gg wp
Again spamming important skills such as earthshaker under blind
Spamming stances

Playing no moblity build in wvw – my pewpew ranger would have banana on his face and gladly enjoy his freebag as i could kite that build endlessly so any other half decent player as well. If that thief was any good he would simply reset the fight and come back few sec later as right there he has a warrior that blowed up all his utilities making himself an easy to kill target. But well who still playing d/d thiefs today? So yeah im not surprised he doesnt want to waste time on 1v1, i wouldn’t either. Thats just my 2 cents. Now end this childish discussion as thats completely offtop.

And to say something about this topic, OP is spot on. If warrior dont get a specialization with decent skills they will become obsolete as mallyx revenants waiting to crush celestial classes – nearly endless boonstrip preventing any cele from might stack leading to poorly damage. On top of that high uptime poison on auto preventing getting downed people rezzed by warbanner.

Scoobaniec.9561:

Hidden Dragon.7523:

dominik.9721:

MrKrataus at least played competive pvp at a high lvl in a top tier pvp team and won serveral go4s. I’m not sure if you know that but the difference between players who participate there and wvw roamers / 1v1 spvp heroes is like day and night.
He proofed many times that he’s impressive in 1on1 and 2v1 situations even against very skilled players you didn’t have faced and probably never will face.Also I’m pretty sure that he is able to handle a berserk hambow or any other forum hero, as well. But I can understand that he is not interested to waste his time.

You don’t know for fact any of the things you say about other players here. Also, seeing that you had to edit your post makes you look uncertain about things you might have posted. Don’t judge what you don’t know and you might experience more things than you could imagine.

Have a lovely evening, Mr Forum Hero I lick boots.

I disgaree with celestial being any good on a hambow, howered i doubt that Hoax would stand any chance vs Kratatus due to this vid;
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_rRtOY7rkuQ

Random jumpy dodges to make it look cool
Spamming important abilities such as blind in reflect – lol gg wp
Again spamming important skills such as earthshaker under blind
Spamming stances

Playing no moblity build in wvw – my pewpew ranger would have banana on his face and gladly enjoy his freebag as i could kite that build endlessly so any other half decent player as well. If that thief was any good he would simply reset the fight and come back few sec later as right there he has a warrior that blowed up all his utilities making himself an easy to kill target. But well who still playing d/d thiefs today? So yeah im not surprised he doesnt want to waste time on 1v1, i wouldn’t either. Thats just my 2 cents. Now end this childish discussion as thats completely offtop.

And to say something about this topic, OP is spot on. If warrior dont get a specialization with decent skills they will become obsolete as mallyx revenants waiting to crush celestial classes – nearly endless boonstrip preventing any cele from might stack leading to poorly damage. On top of that high uptime poison on auto preventing getting downed people rezzed by warbanner.

Why you quote my message if you talk about someone else tho lol?

I take it as a no not many PvT builds out there. sigh

Purple Miku.7032:

Regardless of whether or not you can win with celestial, it’s obviously the worse choice for hambow. You should never use celestial on a warrior unless you’re using shoutheals anyways. On hambow you’d be even better off picking PTV over celestial probably, whether or not it makes me cringe to think about. Berserker is definitely best for it.

Cele hambow was meta
Axebow stance celestial too

Berserker for hambow is definitly viable but soldier/Cele will always outperform zerk.

Scoobaniec.9561:

Hidden Dragon.7523:

dominik.9721:

MrKrataus at least played competive pvp at a high lvl in a top tier pvp team and won serveral go4s. I’m not sure if you know that but the difference between players who participate there and wvw roamers / 1v1 spvp heroes is like day and night.
He proofed many times that he’s impressive in 1on1 and 2v1 situations even against very skilled players you didn’t have faced and probably never will face.Also I’m pretty sure that he is able to handle a berserk hambow or any other forum hero, as well. But I can understand that he is not interested to waste his time.

You don’t know for fact any of the things you say about other players here. Also, seeing that you had to edit your post makes you look uncertain about things you might have posted. Don’t judge what you don’t know and you might experience more things than you could imagine.

Have a lovely evening, Mr Forum Hero I lick boots.

I disgaree with celestial being any good on a hambow, howered i doubt that Hoax would stand any chance vs Kratatus due to this vid;
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_rRtOY7rkuQ

Random jumpy dodges to make it look cool
Spamming important abilities such as blind in reflect – lol gg wp
Again spamming important skills such as earthshaker under blind
Spamming stances

Playing no moblity build in wvw – my pewpew ranger would have banana on his face and gladly enjoy his freebag as i could kite that build endlessly so any other half decent player as well. If that thief was any good he would simply reset the fight and come back few sec later as right there he has a warrior that blowed up all his utilities making himself an easy to kill target. But well who still playing d/d thiefs today? So yeah im not surprised he doesnt want to waste time on 1v1, i wouldn’t either. Thats just my 2 cents. Now end this childish discussion as thats completely offtop.

And to say something about this topic, OP is spot on. If warrior dont get a specialization with decent skills they will become obsolete as mallyx revenants waiting to crush celestial classes – nearly endless boonstrip preventing any cele from might stack leading to poorly damage. On top of that high uptime poison on auto preventing getting downed people rezzed by warbanner.

Yes and when I roam with shoutbow I will kill your pewpew while doing dodgerolls for fun… I roam with whatever I want btw so Im not stuck in this warriorsneedmobilityinwvw mindset. Im having more fun when running non roaming builds then all the standard roaming builds everyone always talking about.
Anyway, Im always up for some duels.

Ontopic
I said celestial sucks vs shoutbow, MrKrataus says it doesnt, different opinion, ok cool
now lets move on

Pewpew>shoutbow outside of a capture point and in fact any warrior build for that matter.
Been there done that. Theres olny 1 build that might manage somehow to kill a good pewpew and thats a skullcrack one with his ridiculous reflect uptime on mace.

But we are not in ranger subforum so lets end this bs

Lol ^^… so Scoobaniec, why don’t you show him in 1 v 1?

Hidden Dragon.7523:

Lol ^^… so Scoobaniec, why don’t you show him in 1 v 1?

Why should i? It will be better for him to leave his safezone called wvw where you can meet tons of bad players on daily and join a 1v1 server like king of the hill. There he can join, do some duels, record it and come back. Ofc its obvious that anyone there will roflstomp his hambow so he wont upload any vids from that server. At this point why bother?