Is condi the best?

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Posted by: Mazdan.2071

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I usually run condi warrior and I have average results. For fun, I ran an axe/sheild, rifle burst build (zerker) and I had better than average results. The stances and shield gave me the sustain I was used to, but the burst damage was, well , poorly defended. My damage is much higher with this build compared to a viper sword build.

Dunno, viper is great on paper but rarely does the extended condi effects run their duration. Condis get wiped quick and its consistent during a match but the upfront burst damage seems to work better for me. Nobody runs toughness anymore and this was the defense against burst. Give it a try.

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Posted by: Choppy.4183

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Not sure what game mode you’re talking about, but I mostly wipe the floor with condi warriors in wvw as a power warrior.

That being said, in tight quarters (like a cap circle), m+sh/lb condi is probably still stronger than any power warrior build. Condi warriors can contribute more in a group fight due to aoe burns, and I assume condi warrior is better in pve as well.

I exclusively run power warrior (wvw roaming; zerk gear), and the general idea is maximum damage pressure to force mistakes and defensive play. When an opponent doesn’t know how to deal with that, you can down them very quickly. When they do know how, or they have loads of built-in defenses, it can leave you pretty vulnerable.

I’d expect power warrior does better against some builds, and condi does better vs others.

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Posted by: revox.8273

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in all pve content is miles ahead of power builds

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Posted by: sneakytails.5629

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Its easier to gear, easier to play and go through the rotations, and more forgiving of technical mistakes.

To some, that does indeed make it better.

I still prefer to play power. I am hoping the new spec is strong in both damage types to give players more of a choice. I feel like Berserker is more suited for condi right now.

All of my core Warriors are power.

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Posted by: Spartacus.3192

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i run both power war and condi war in wvw. I enjoy power war more although a bit less now with the nerfs (feels so slow). As Condi war i feel practically invincible.

Choppy mentions he beats most condi wars as power war. I have found it to be the complete opposite. Having played as both condi war and power war and fought against condi and power wars i believe condi war played patiently to kite the berserker stance will destroy a power war.
Yes power war has cleanse on swap and resistance but condi war spams so many condis (just sword alone has bleed on auto attack) that you can overwhelm the cleanse.

A dire/trailblazer condi war with proper food buffs has around 3500 armor and 28k HP plus the same access to berserker stance and brawler recovery. Capable of doing 5k burn ticks and 2-3k+ bleed ticks.

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Posted by: Derren.8724

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At least in WvW, condi Warr has the advantage of having more ‘free’ gear stats for defense. Viper’s nice, but trailblazer, rabid and dire offer you significantly more survivability without the kind of damage loss you’d see if a power Warr tried something similar.

Spvp’s a bit of a different story thanks to the limitations on available stats and how you can spread them out. Condi can offer more area denial and pressure on a point, but power has a better chance of securing kills on lower-health targets when you have cleanses being thrown around.

Personally, I prefer power for the weapons and immediate damage, but find both to be fairly tied in pvp effectiveness. Condi can gear for better defense, but power can talent for it, and both have terrifying damage potential against unsuspecting opponents. If you’re finding power both more effective and fun, roll with that. It’ll do you just fine.

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Posted by: revox.8273

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condi spec is also safer and easier. for me at least. but i still play in open world/all duneons and in some fractals with zerk gear
today i started to make a trailblazer full gear set specially for wvw since my only wvw set is zerker

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Posted by: Choppy.4183

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i run both power war and condi war in wvw. I enjoy power war more although a bit less now with the nerfs (feels so slow). As Condi war i feel practically invincible.

Choppy mentions he beats most condi wars as power war. I have found it to be the complete opposite. Having played as both condi war and power war and fought against condi and power wars i believe condi war played patiently to kite the berserker stance will destroy a power war.
Yes power war has cleanse on swap and resistance but condi war spams so many condis (just sword alone has bleed on auto attack) that you can overwhelm the cleanse.

A dire/trailblazer condi war with proper food buffs has around 3500 armor and 28k HP plus the same access to berserker stance and brawler recovery. Capable of doing 5k burn ticks and 2-3k+ bleed ticks.

I find that, when roaming on power, I can take better advantage of my greater mobility than I could in pvp, which is a little like playing like a thief. If a condi war survives my onslaught while the stance us up, then I can move away and determine how and when the next engagement occurs. In pvp, I don’t have that option, plus my damage pressure is less than it is in wvw.

There’s also the possibility that the few people I’ve found running condi warrior in small scale wvw aren’t very good. My pressure is pretty severe for people who don’t know how to manage it, and that leads to panic play from inexperienced players.

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Posted by: Spartacus.3192

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i run both power war and condi war in wvw. I enjoy power war more although a bit less now with the nerfs (feels so slow). As Condi war i feel practically invincible.

Choppy mentions he beats most condi wars as power war. I have found it to be the complete opposite. Having played as both condi war and power war and fought against condi and power wars i believe condi war played patiently to kite the berserker stance will destroy a power war.
Yes power war has cleanse on swap and resistance but condi war spams so many condis (just sword alone has bleed on auto attack) that you can overwhelm the cleanse.

A dire/trailblazer condi war with proper food buffs has around 3500 armor and 28k HP plus the same access to berserker stance and brawler recovery. Capable of doing 5k burn ticks and 2-3k+ bleed ticks.

I find that, when roaming on power, I can take better advantage of my greater mobility than I could in pvp, which is a little like playing like a thief. If a condi war survives my onslaught while the stance us up, then I can move away and determine how and when the next engagement occurs. In pvp, I don’t have that option, plus my damage pressure is less than it is in wvw.

There’s also the possibility that the few people I’ve found running condi warrior in small scale wvw aren’t very good. My pressure is pretty severe for people who don’t know how to manage it, and that leads to panic play from inexperienced players.

I love power war play style and i agree that most condi wars in wvw are not that good and if you use GS3 and GS5 properly you can disengage, however, Condi war has Sword 2 leap on a very short cooldown which can keep up relatively well.

As you said a power war burst is very strong and most condi wars will blow all their burst condi early which you can then use berserker stance to mitigate. I found that when im playing condi war fighting against power war i never use my full burst early. I spread out my attacks until i see him pop berserker stance, then i use Sword 2 to leap away and kite. The power war will use GS 5 and GS 3 to try and stay on me. When his stance is over i hit my burst. His GS 3 will be available again but not his GS5 so he cant kite away from me anymore.

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Posted by: Choppy.4183

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I love power war play style and i agree that most condi wars in wvw are not that good and if you use GS3 and GS5 properly you can disengage, however, Condi war has Sword 2 leap on a very short cooldown which can keep up relatively well.

As you said a power war burst is very strong and most condi wars will blow all their burst condi early which you can then use berserker stance to mitigate. I found that when im playing condi war fighting against power war i never use my full burst early. I spread out my attacks until i see him pop berserker stance, then i use Sword 2 to leap away and kite. The power war will use GS 5 and GS 3 to try and stay on me. When his stance is over i hit my burst. His GS 3 will be available again but not his GS5 so he cant kite away from me anymore.

Two extra advantages I have in this particular matchup is a traited gs and a traited Bull’s Charge.

But I don’t mean to say that a condi war will necessarily be on the losing end of it, and strategy certainly plays a role. If I get baited into the situation you described, I’d be in trouble. So too if I couldn’t utilize my mobility, or in a group fight, where those burns just start adding up while my attention is split between different threats.

I’d love to get some fights in though, if you’re up for it and you’re on a NA server. Condi warriors are few and far between when roaming, and I could probably use some practice against someone who has counter strategies.

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Posted by: Spartacus.3192

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I love power war play style and i agree that most condi wars in wvw are not that good and if you use GS3 and GS5 properly you can disengage, however, Condi war has Sword 2 leap on a very short cooldown which can keep up relatively well.

As you said a power war burst is very strong and most condi wars will blow all their burst condi early which you can then use berserker stance to mitigate. I found that when im playing condi war fighting against power war i never use my full burst early. I spread out my attacks until i see him pop berserker stance, then i use Sword 2 to leap away and kite. The power war will use GS 5 and GS 3 to try and stay on me. When his stance is over i hit my burst. His GS 3 will be available again but not his GS5 so he cant kite away from me anymore.

Two extra advantages I have in this particular matchup is a traited gs and a traited Bull’s Charge.

But I don’t mean to say that a condi war will necessarily be on the losing end of it, and strategy certainly plays a role. If I get baited into the situation you described, I’d be in trouble. So too if I couldn’t utilize my mobility, or in a group fight, where those burns just start adding up while my attention is split between different threats.

I’d love to get some fights in though, if you’re up for it and you’re on a NA server. Condi warriors are few and far between when roaming, and I could probably use some practice against someone who has counter strategies.

im on NA BG server. Add me and we can duel if we are on same tier. Ive only been playing condi war a few weeks but i will say that i understand when people say condi builds are low risk high reward. I live longer and can fight more classes better on condi than on power which ive played for years.

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Posted by: Choppy.4183

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im on NA BG server. Add me and we can duel if we are on same tier. Ive only been playing condi war a few weeks but i will say that i understand when people say condi builds are low risk high reward. I live longer and can fight more classes better on condi than on power which ive played for years.

I’m on Ehmry linked to CD. Maybe we can get some fights going in EotM, or maybe the relinking will make wvw a possibility.

Will add you and shoot you a note when I’m on next.

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Posted by: Turk.5460

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At least in WvW:

Condi is the path of least resistance. So players who are less confident in themselves will usually pick that and defensive stats like Dire/TB.

It’s not nearly the best, though. As it doesn’t really shine against multiple targets as Warrior. Our condi-applying cleave has incredibly short range, and our range condi is slow, single target, or is only applied in a line/frontal cone.

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