Is the torch worth using?
From my experience Torch 4 is REALLY nondescript and boring and basically wants you to spam it off CD
Torch 5 is cool in concept but has too high a CD without the Torch trait to be useful at all. It definitely helps with the condi cleanse and I’m guessing it’s strong burn application on a condi build
Overall it’s pretty meh
Torch is a GOOD new weapon that NOBODY knows how to really work. Seriously. Almost all people run greatsword (Because all warriors seem to be expected to devote a whole weapon slot to greatsword and never remove it because Anet ignores our poor dual wielding) + whatever (usually longbow, axe/shield, or mace/shield) so not a super ton of testing has been used on it.
So far, pro(s):
-Only offhand with a cripple.
-Only offhand that burns.
-Only weapon warrior has with a condition clean ability (x2).
-Only nonburst combo field (fire).
Con(s):
-Rather long cooldowns (15 (12) sec, and 25 (20) sec).
-The burn duration is lackluster and completely forgettable at times.
-Lacks damage.
-Lacks high condition application(s).
This means it’s mostly utility type weapon. This also means it has to fight for space vs a ranged weapon, or newly buffed shield, or dps mace.
It’s clear it’s to cripple and then get a combo field burst (actual burst or combo) on enemies. However the good finishers require a weapon swap to get to or are easily dodged (Hammer and axe respectively). The only weapon it goes well with without working for is sword.
So right now, it’s good, but no one has found a build that we actively use that it takes precedence over another weapon.
-Rather long cooldowns (15 (12) sec, and 25 (20) sec).
These are long cooldowns? What is short to you, 5 seconds?
Fishsticks
-Rather long cooldowns (15 (12) sec, and 25 (20) sec).
These are long cooldowns? What is short to you, 5 seconds?
They’re long CDs for their purpose
ESPECIALLY Torch 4 because that’s literally auto attack tier in terms of use and functionality
Torch 5 looks like it’s trying to incentivize not slotting cleansing ire but with that CD basically forcing you to slot the condi focused torch trait it’s definitely too long if you’re running a direct damage build which lets be real most warriors do
They fit in, both in cd and effects, perfectly well with existing torches. Warrior Torch is essentially the love child of Guardian’s and Rangers’. No doubt, the Torch is there not to improve existing builds (or in some cases improve the less popular ones), but to create new ones.
Fishsticks
looks sweet. thats about it.
I are a warrioh
Torch is a GOOD new weapon that NOBODY knows how to really work. Seriously. Almost all people run greatsword (Because all warriors seem to be expected to devote a whole weapon slot to greatsword and never remove it because Anet ignores our poor dual wielding) + whatever (usually longbow, axe/shield, or mace/shield) so not a super ton of testing has been used on it.
So far, pro(s):
-Only offhand with a cripple.
-Only offhand that burns.
-Only weapon warrior has with a condition clean ability (x2).
-Only nonburst combo field (fire).Con(s):
-Rather long cooldowns (15 (12) sec, and 25 (20) sec).
-The burn duration is lackluster and completely forgettable at times.
-Lacks damage.
-Lacks high condition application(s).This means it’s mostly utility type weapon. This also means it has to fight for space vs a ranged weapon, or newly buffed shield, or dps mace.
It’s clear it’s to cripple and then get a combo field burst (actual burst or combo) on enemies. However the good finishers require a weapon swap to get to or are easily dodged (Hammer and axe respectively). The only weapon it goes well with without working for is sword.So right now, it’s good, but no one has found a build that we actively use that it takes precedence over another weapon.
I’d argue against both cons. Arguably the CD for this is high if you’re using fast hands with this weapon. I wouldn’t. The berzker class is mainly for condition to get out of the hands stre/disc/def meta. It has amazing condi application along with an appropriate rotation use.
With what I had was LB/ S/T. I used something like this http://dulfy.net/gw2traits#build=AggDnAJ0Bqg~ as traits depending on the situation usually cleansing ire wasn’t really necessary for me. I think I had wildblow, outrage, shatter blow, and headbutt with heal sig. And a mix of dire/rabid armors/trinkets. I used unded runes as well. The biggest thing with this build is this is not a faceroll build which is why it doesn’t need fasthands which is why the CD isn’t a big deal. I like defense over strength because defense procs are better for this play style…with this set-up I argue the CD is about on par with the rotation and has high condi application <torch>. This is generally the rotation I followed with in pve/pvp: pin down > smolder > fan of arrows > swap > blaze breaker > FoW > Savage leap > headbutt > outrage > flurry > shatter blow > wild blow > swap >pin down…
Typically they were downed/dead by headbutt. I argue the CD is pretty good as is because of the length of this rotation. By the time you get back to it it’s already ready to go. Again you wouldn’t want to spam this rotation if you did you’ll either miss a step, get dodged, they’ll go invis, etc. So this would need timing. I argue against the condi application because of the rotation of bleeds and burns. The FoW is a key part of the rotation to keep continuous condi pressure. Whether you use it as a utility or not is up to the user. Unlike Gaurdian’s staff which is completely utility I don’t see that with the torch. If anything it’s a nice hybrid for condi/self-support.
Note: I would usually go into berzerker before flurry if I felt pressure and swap between LB and S/T for the primal bursts and end up back in S/T to finish the rotation.
Its garbage along with this whole class unless release day patch sees some HUGE buffs to war.
Garbage weapon and spec. I’ve been a warrior main since the betas and there is ZERO reason to go with torch or the new spec over a power warrior.
Sadly, warrior was shafted big time in HOT while the other professions got some really nice specs.
The only way berserker spec and torch will be any good is if they do the following:
-Make fast hands base for warrior. OR at the very least make the new elite spec include a fast hands by default so you don’t need to pick discipline.
-Buff stats while in zerker mode
-Make torch 4 actually do big damage so it can be used in more power oriented builds. Maybe make it a knock down like mace 5?
-Delete berserker spec and start over. They were extremely lazy and uncreative when coming up with this spec. So lazy in fact that they named it berserker. The same as berserker stance and berserker armor. All the new utilities are complete trash and no experienced warrior would pick them over balance stance, zerker stance, or endure pain. Garbage.
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Garbage weapon and spec. I’ve been a warrior main since the betas and there is ZERO reason to go with torch or the new spec over a power warrior.
Sadly, warrior was shafted big time in HOT while the other professions got some really nice specs.
The only way berserker spec and torch will be any good is if they do the following:
-Make fast hands base for warrior. OR at the very least make the new elite spec include a fast hands by default so you don’t need to pick discipline.
-Buff stats while in zerker mode
-Make torch 4 actually do big damage so it can be used in more power oriented builds. Maybe make it a knock down like mace 5?
-Delete berserker spec and start over. They were extremely lazy and uncreative when coming up with this spec. So lazy in fact that they named it berserker. The same as berserker stance and berserker armor. All the new utilities are complete trash and no experienced warrior would pick them over balance stance, zerker stance, or endure pain. Garbage.
Yeah dude, just delete it 3 days before HoT release amirite? Are you kittened? I guarantee I can make a berserker build that would beat you. Keep QQing.
Torch is only good for PVE condi dps. But most warriors are gonna be running phalanx greatsword builds to boost party dps. Torch is only going to be used if theres more then one warrior in a group and that warrior is running phalanx.
As for the other comments about the Berserker spec, i’m not gonna lie. Its not in a good place. The entire warrior class is gonna need a re-work to make that spec viable.
I guarantee I can make a berserker build that would beat you. Keep QQing.
Let’s do it. Add me in game and we’ll post the results here.
“I guarantee I can make a berserker build that would beat you. Keep QQing.”
You do realize that they don’t want elite specs to be better in any way than base class right? They might excel at different things but your kittening and trolling this dude is really sad.
Garbage weapon and spec. I’ve been a warrior main since the betas and there is ZERO reason to go with torch or the new spec over a power warrior.
Sadly, warrior was shafted big time in HOT while the other professions got some really nice specs.
The only way berserker spec and torch will be any good is if they do the following:
-Make fast hands base for warrior. OR at the very least make the new elite spec include a fast hands by default so you don’t need to pick discipline.
-Buff stats while in zerker mode
-Make torch 4 actually do big damage so it can be used in more power oriented builds. Maybe make it a knock down like mace 5?
-Delete berserker spec and start over. They were extremely lazy and uncreative when coming up with this spec. So lazy in fact that they named it berserker. The same as berserker stance and berserker armor. All the new utilities are complete trash and no experienced warrior would pick them over balance stance, zerker stance, or endure pain. Garbage.Yeah dude, just delete it 3 days before HoT release amirite? Are you kittened? I guarantee I can make a berserker build that would beat you. Keep QQing.
Bro do you even lift?! I guarantee I can can bench press more than you and beat your kitten with my sweet tuned ’96 Acura Integra!
Thank you for reminding me that the only time someone’s point is valid is when they agree with you.
As for the other comments about the Berserker spec, i’m not gonna lie. Its not in a good place. The entire warrior class is gonna need a re-work to make that spec viable.
Yes, this.
It’s not a terrible weapon or spec, but it doesn’t work well with existing set-ups.
Right now, it’s a whole lot more effective to swap to longbow when you want a firefield. You lose a condition, you trigger a finisher (maybe clearing more conditions, gaining damage, etc), gain some addren, trigger an on-swap effect.
Fire is a good condition, but doesn’t benefit from Krait runes. It’s hard to get enough burning to really benefit from Fire runes either.
If you load up with all zerk skills, you can get good fire spikes, but it requires full dedication of your skills and a full trait line. Are you going to give up stances for that? (and let’s be real: it’s a face roll spec… you spam zerk skills off-cooldown for burning.)
The whole dropping in/out of berserk is awkward. Instead of saving skills tactically, you just burn them as and when you can. It doesn’t work with a normal play: forces them to cleanse, stun them, load up with conditions; half the time you drop out of berserk at the wrong time.
Everything about it feels either awkward or not quite as good as something we already have.