Guild Wars 2

Yes, those are totaly better without FH …

While I agree that fast hands is very useful, its only one of the traits that makes it exceptionally powerful. Look at that whole trait line, every weapon swap gives you two stacks of might, some adrenaline and cures a condition thanks to multiple benefits. It’s a lot of recovery simply by swapping weapons.

Cleeansing Ire is a trait I’ve always been mixed on, I know its very important in the pvp and wvw area and id love it to be baseline, but I also know its very strong. I think it could be fixed if the other trait lines offered more recovery like discipline does, people always take discipline because when versing other players you need to switch weapons, you need more adreneline, you need that extra condi clear. Without cleansing ire and the discipline line, warriors tend to be pretty easy to take down due to low sustain since shouts cannot heal enough in this high damage meta and condis are also rather exceptional.

Mesmers are typically required to take deceptive evasion, which is fine, compare it to a warrior that is essentially locked into taking two trait lines for cleansing ire and discipline traits (this is by pvp and wvw standards not pve), the diversity is decent, but not quite there yet. I love my warrior right now, thats my two cents xD

They let you bring either more support in the form of Shouts while not totally losing out in terms of defense. It also let’s you take Strength and Arms together to make good hybrid or just better damage builds.

You’d never see builds like this now, because losing Fast Hands make the builds clunky and basically useless.

I don’t think CI needs to be baseline. If Shouts are made useful again our condi cleanse won’t be bad.

hell yes FH needs to be baseline for this profession.

Either that or give individual weapon sets more utility to stand alone, which isn’t gonna happen.

Discipline would still be taken for most builds, but at least it won’t be mandatory.

In the old system there were a few traits that could be specced just two- or three-deep for (eg leg specialist, crack shot), but FastHands is the one that pretty much all nonPvE Warrior builds required.
I miss the versatility.

(**would really like if WarriorSprint moved into the Adept slot in its stead, that way it won’t clash with CrackShot, even though I’ve already respecced into Traveller Runes .. /sigh)

Agreed with everyone -FH baseline should be a thing. I really don’t see why it isn’t already.

From a lore perspective, it makes perfect sense to have Fast Hands baseline. Honestly, what else is still setting the Warrior apart from other professions as the “masters of weaponry”? It’s all quantity over quality…

I once suggested to allow Warriors to have a third weapon slot, but I also realised that it wouldn’t really solve anything, and completely unbalance the profession.

So, again: down with Discipline requirement! Yes for baseline FH!

I feel like this isn’t going to happen because of one reason – and that is rune of the warrior. Wearing this rune really only breaks shout and condi builds that wear runes for burns / bleeds or general duration, and I bet anet sees our complaints and uses this rune set as a reason to do nothing about them.

As a Mesmer main, I completely support this!

Warriors already feel way too easy to kite; and, as a Mesmer, getting iSona baseline along with iElasticity felt like a change that really pushed Mesmer to have an even more unique feel as a class.

I think FH rolled baseline is just the most Warrior-esque thing ever, and I would love to see it happen

BurrTheKing.8571:

If we want to avoid dropping to bottom tier (we might already be there now)

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Interesting Theory that BurrTheKing.8571 provided about Build without Discipline, I think I can merge that theory into “Banner Rampage Shout” build I posted below since it has toughness and healing that help to keep & endure my HP while passive attacking in close using sword or in range using Longbow when other skills are recharging. Trait might be Arms, Defense, Tactics and Weapon sets could be Sword-Sword / Longbow with Sword trait and Longbow trait with settler amulet…

Thank you very much for this theory, BurrTheKing.8571!