Guild Wars 2

I had a thought today that I’m sure some one will be eager to give me insight on.
Is there any particular reason that greatsword get’s 3/4s evade frame on whirlwind but other weapons don’t get any evade frames? Such as hammer’s earthshaker or axe’s eviscerate. Even if the argument is that those weapons aren’t focused on mobility what about one hand sword?

One hand sword’s purpose is to be quick and mobile, right? Why is there not an evade frame on savage leap?

Just curious if there is a particular reason. It seems like an easy way to give the warrior a small way to mitigate damage and would help diversify builds which is greatly needed.

If they would add those, it would bring up the skill cap of the warrior quite high. I would love to see that.

Hmm never thought about that, thought I have wondered why “Rush” doesnt let you evade.

I would use other weapons more if they gave me that evade, it’s much needed in lots of fights

Actually, that would be a great idea!
I don’t know about adding it to the axe though…
The Axe dishes out more DPS than the GS. Adding in an invulnerability frame would make more people switch to Axe….
Wait…

Do it

Well yeah would have to do it cross class and honestly the little evades that are around are so vast a weird that I think it pointless to say warrior needs more of them. It is too slippery a slope imho. I don’t think we need another evade or anything like that as we have many tools to mitigate physical damage already.

Updraft is a decent example of an evade that is just there for some reason.

On top of that most any teleport can be used an an evade.

Also because the combat in this game is more akin to an action mmo many hits can simply be side stepped etc.

TheGuy.3568:

the little evades that are around are so vast a weird that I think it pointless to say warrior needs more of them.

Where? I count 1. You are talking about warriors, right?

TheGuy.3568:

Updraft is a decent example of an evade that is just there for some reason.

That for one has nothing to do with warriors. It seems incredibly obvious to me why it has evade frames: it moves you evasively. Just as savage leap hurls you over the battlefield and whirlwind spins you across.

TheGuy.3568:

It is too slippery a slope imho.

I don’t know what that means. Are you worried they will put evade frames on attacks that you don’t think need evade frames? It seems really obvious which attacks would and would not get them.

TheGuy.3568:

On top of that most any teleport can be used an an evade.

That’s. What? We don’t get a teleport. I’m honestly confused you made me recheck to make sure I posted this in the right forum.

Alexander.4827:

TheGuy.3568:

the little evades that are around are so vast a weird that I think it pointless to say warrior needs more of them.

Where? I count 1. You are talking about warriors, right?

TheGuy.3568:

Updraft is a decent example of an evade that is just there for some reason.

That for one has nothing to do with warriors. It seems incredibly obvious to me why it has evade frames: it moves you evasively. Just as savage leap hurls you over the battlefield and whirlwind spins you across.

TheGuy.3568:

It is too slippery a slope imho.

I don’t know what that means. Are you worried they will put evade frames on attacks that you don’t think need evade frames? It seems really obvious which attacks would and would not get them.

TheGuy.3568:

On top of that most any teleport can be used an an evade.

That’s. What? We don’t get a teleport. I’m honestly confused you made me recheck to make sure I posted this in the right forum.

Dude relax. I was trying to point out that it is bigger than, “Warrior need more evade frames.”

But lets not beat around the bush. Lets crash some reality down on your argument. You seemed to have difficulty understanding what I wrote so I will spell it out for you.

As of this moment warrior needs help with condition management and finding a spot tPvP besides that there really isn’t all that much defensively that’s needed. Be reminded when it comes to physical defense warrior is near the top of the list falling short or necro. Our capability to achieve high EHP and having such a large base pool of health makes us one of the best classes for physical defense. Physically we also have so many defensive tools to mitigate and avoid damage through blocking and invulnerable states that there is really no reason for us to be slippery too.

Now lets forget about all of that.

Some whirls have an evade. Namely Whirlwind Attack, Death Blossom, and Fiery Whirl. I don’t know why these whirls have an evade but they do. Like I said before there a little evades here and there and we don’t know why.

Now you ask “Why is there not an evade frame on savage leap?”

Because it is a kittening leap. It is literally in the name. Leap combo finishers do not evade. Blast like Earthshaker by and large do not evade. Rocket Boots might be the exception but I am not sure if it give you frames.

Now evades on weapon set mostly go to thieves and rangers primarily due to the fact they lack our rather large defensively arsenal when it comes to shear mitigation.

So lets get this straight. They aren’t going to add evades. There is no reason to. Honestly the only argument you have made is that the evade frames on Whirlwind attack seems strange. If you think warrior needs help mitigating physical damage you aren’t playing warrior and if you are then your as glass as glass gets and you are still not playing it right.

So let me repeat this isn’t going to happen. If they do visit this it will be to take away the one evade we have and that’s not happening either. I am not linking the defensive skills they are common and you should know them. Use shield if you are still having issues.

Now read or play more because you need to understand that most movement skills can already be used as an evade even if the word evade doesn’t pop up on your screen (why I mentioned teleports before).

Now I posted a long post you may not read it all but trust me it’s not going to happen.

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Updraft is a launch. Why a launch needs an evade frames I do not get.

Does the thief’s stolen version of Whirling Axe still evade for the duration? Gotta love how the thief steals the kill and then MAKES IT BETTER :’(

Sami.1560:

Does the thief’s stolen version of Whirling Axe still evade for the duration? Gotta love how the thief steals the kill and then MAKES IT BETTER :’(

It doesnt evade but it does reflect projectiles

I do wish we had a LITTLE bit more damage mitigation in our weapon sets. It’s one of the main reasons Greatsword is such a good weapon for us…it has great damage and the best mobility out of all our weapons.

Some slight mobility (and maybe a slightly quicker rate of attack) to the Mace might make it a more acceptable weapon for mainhand.

And Sword could certainly use an evade somewhere, be it mainhand or off-hand. It’s supposed to be a mobile, precise weapon. It doesn’t quite match up in damage to the other weapons and speccing for condition damage hurts your overall damage so there needs to be another reason to run it. The leap is nice, but I would almost rather have an evade on Sword 4 rather than Impale. Then Sword off-hand could maybe compete with Mace off-hand as a defensive off-hand weapon. You’d have a parry in Sword 5 and an evading slice in Sword 4.

I would say that Axe could probably use a bit of mobility but I actually think Axe is in a pretty good place right now. I sort of hate it’s off-hand moves but it’s main hand is really good.

Alexander.4827:

I had a thought today that I’m sure some one will be eager to give me insight on.
Is there any particular reason that greatsword get’s 3/4s evade frame on whirlwind but other weapons don’t get any evade frames? Such as hammer’s earthshaker or axe’s eviscerate. Even if the argument is that those weapons aren’t focused on mobility what about one hand sword?

One hand sword’s purpose is to be quick and mobile, right? Why is there not an evade frame on savage leap?

Just curious if there is a particular reason. It seems like an easy way to give the warrior a small way to mitigate damage and would help diversify builds which is greatly needed.

Lol@theguy ranting at OP. Updraft is also a ‘retreat’ skill by the way seeing as you like wikis.

An evasion frame to eviscerate wouldn’t work because players need to be able to blind 1v1, but adding it to savage leap would be nice Alex.

It’s already an effective evade but as it involves deselection this would make it a more versatile ability. Shame you can’t communicate this to ANet without the dumb replies.

oZii.2864:

Sami.1560:

Does the thief’s stolen version of Whirling Axe still evade for the duration? Gotta love how the thief steals the kill and then MAKES IT BETTER :’(

It doesnt evade but it does reflect projectiles

rofl good enough. Would actually make axe off-hand desirable other than for kill-tagging and maybe proc spamming.

TheGuy.3568:

Dude relax.

Lol. Okay I’ll try my hardest. breaths

TheGuy.3568:

physical defense warrior is near the top of the list

It’s been proven time and time again that the best defense is mitigation. Not to mention that effective health is one thing but effective armor is another. A warrior with 2700 has just that. A ranger with 2200 armor plus 33% reduction with protection on dodge gets an effective armor of 3283. Warriors don’t get protection, true invulnerability and they are lacking on evades. This is another reason why greatsword is so over used. It’s evade attack makes it much more viable. Why not spread the love.

According to your signature you yourself even use a greatsword on your warrior.

TheGuy.3568:

I don’t know why these whirls have an evade but they do. Like I said before there a little evades here and there and we don’t know why.

Because mitigation is a key part of combat in GW2.

TheGuy.3568:

Leap combo finishers do not evade.

So whatever the rules are that apply to one leap must apply to all? What about whirls then? Not all whirls evade. I still don’t see that as a good reason. Even the dictionary definition of leap describes leaping over obstacles yet with how it is now if I tried to “leap” over a spike trap it would stop me because there are no evade frames.

TheGuy.3568:

Now evades on weapon set mostly go to thieves and rangers primarily due to the fact they lack our rather large defensively arsenal when it comes to shear mitigation.

Rangers get 1500 range, evades (on utility too), protection, regeneration, invulnerability and pets.
Thieves can evade even more than rangers can, teleport, block projectiles oh and stealth which can grant them regeneration.

Warriors are the worst class in sPvP. They may have the highest health and armor pools but that’s been proven to mean very little in GW2’s combat. Otherwise warriors would be the best class to bunker. Having an evade on one or two of the least used weapons on the warrior is hardly going unbalance us.