Guild Wars 2

With these nerfs coming to the warrior class, we’re about to be thrown AGAIN under the bus as a probable easy kill in either PvP and in WvW. I remember early on in the game that warriors were very easy to pick on, almost every class especially engineers and thieves can wreck us very easily. When we received some love in further updates, we were called OP when really, we had to find other ways to kill opponents i.e. crowd control and utilizing combo finishers. So why nerf adrenaline to the ground when it’s one of the things that are a necessity when fighting classes with a higher skill cap such as engineers AND lo and behold, the thieves that you, Arena Net, are so proud of? It’s great that you’re buffing rifle and OFFhand axe. In reality though, no one ever uses those weapons in any pvp or wvw setting as they are EASILY interrupted unless you activate a stability buff. The rampage update was nice as it is one of the community’s neglected skill, but also since it is one of my favorite elites. But with all these NERFS coming to the warrior class. It WILL cause detrimental harm to our all around game play. The CONSEQUENCE of missing an adrenaline skill reducing it back to 0 (keep some if you have Burst Mastery) will play a huge role because if/when we do miss our burst skill, we’re basically easy pickings for the OTHER classes who’ve recieved minor nerfs and better buffs. Hey Arena Net, smell the coffee and wake up, if we have to face CONSEQUENCES in missing a skill, how about give the same fate to other classes. Like…idk, one of your most treasured classes, thieves? It’s like you all are biased and favor a class more than the other This game is the FIRST game I have played where a stealthed person does NOT become REVEALED when hit by a skill. The stealth in this game is way TOO OverPowerful and as such, thieves milk the cheese ouf of it by spamming skills like blinding powder followed by a heartsweeker. INSTANT STEALTH and while they are running off getting out of combat, therefore resetting the fight. We warriors will be slowly but surely, losing our adrenaline making us VERY vulnerable by one of their cheap backstabs. CONSEQUENCES like the one I’m pushing for may not come out for this Class “Balance” update, but please do keep it in mind that stealth in this game is B R O K E N. For those who reading this and disagree, play other games and see for yourself that once hit while stealthed, you are REVEALED. I would hope to see this change to be brought in-game soon. If not, it will be VERY apparent that you favor this class more so than the promises for the warrior class YOU made before release. But hey, that’s one more promise that was broken huh? Thanks for reading! Now time to stow my warrior in PvE land!

Oh and I can’t wait for the next update for the warrior class from Arena Net! Nerf cleansing ire so it gives less adrenaline Extend Signet of Fury cool down by another 10 seconds, nah, make it a minute more Burst Mastery? Delete the first feature and decrease the damage by 2%. Warrior’s done now, congratulations team! The adrenaline buff is by far, the biggest nerf you have all made to this class. Keep sinking the game more please! I’m getting tired of the crap anyways ^.^

Silly Kuro Kami, you should know by now that thieves will never be touched.

You sir are right! I’m guessing they’re protecting the thief-main players out there from being kitten! I’ve always had to adapt to all the good and the bad changes for the warrior class. The adrenaline thing though hit me. Hit me right hurr in my hurt.

vespers.1759:

Silly Kuro Kami, you should know by now that thieves will never be touched.

Wow… the ignorance in this thread. Thieves black powder is being nerfed to hell and back with this coming update. No more will they be able to stand in their blind field, laughing at your “misses”.

That is true, but most thieves don’t stay in their blind field. The ones that do, want classes to burst down in their field so they make themselves easy picking for the thief to kill them. Most thieves heart seeker anyway from their blind field and run off ^.^ Then once your health is at a good threshold, you go in guns blazing with Infiltrator’s Signet and/or Steal. So yes, the nerf to blinding powder is a big hit to those that milk the cheese out of that weapon set. I have a thief as well and I despise it just at how easy it is to kill someone in 1v1s or pick off people in 1v3s. It’s disgusting Vomiting to the point where I completely ditched dagger/pistol to go back into dagger/dagger so it’s a little harder to kill opponents or to flee in fear of losing my stacks. Going back to what vespers said, I am silly and Arena Net won’t totally nerf thieves. This nerf for black powder is a small, significant yes, but small hit to the capabilities to what Arena Net’s baby class can do.

The QQ in this thread is ridiculous. I play a Warrior, not main, but I’ve had a good amount of time put into the class and I can say that the class is still a little OP compared to other classes.
On top of being super tanky while doing a good amount of DPS and CC, and then still have a kitten load of mobility, I can easily say this class is THE easiest to play.
In WvW or SPvP, how many classes can go full glass zerk and yet remain tanky while doing 10-12k burst on a relatively short cooldown? I’m talking about the axe’s F1.

The argument with Thief is that, unlike Warriors, a Thief has a higher skill floor than a Warrior. Sure, when a Thief is skilled he/she can be annoying, but a Warrior is just so easy to play and master. And once you know how to play against a Thief, it’s easy pickings. I can 1v1 a Thief no problem on a Ranger.

Just a QQ’ing to bring other consequences to other classes. Don’t worry though, I’ll make other builds to find a way to kill you. All of you.

Traced damage OP especially for rangers longbow skill #2. I make/play classes to find ways to kill them ^.^ Just kitten that warriors got the biggest nerf out of all the classes

learn a harder class then.

Kuro Kami.8436:

Just a QQ’ing to bring other consequences to other classes. Don’t worry though, I’ll make other builds to find a way to kill you. All of you.

You my friend is dreaming that the class has been nerfed to the ground and will be a free kill, on the contrary, when you play a pro warrior than you will now that nothing changed.

I love the Warrior QQ. This is the new class I’m trying to main, after maining Guardian and Thief and god, if you think you are getting nerfed to the ground you either are a bit braindead.
You should try another classes.
Like really try them, like getting them to 80, do some PvP. I have 1 Warrior at 80 and I’m lvling the second since the first one was kinda rushed with tomes. I don’t use it in PvE just PvP, thats why I’m lvling another, nice and slow.

Please keep me laughing

mPascoal.4258:

I love the Warrior QQ. This is the new class I’m trying to main, after maining Guardian and Thief and god, if you think you are getting nerfed to the ground you either are a bit braindead.
You should try another classes.
Like really try them, like getting them to 80, do some PvP. I have 1 Warrior at 80 and I’m lvling the second since the first one was kinda rushed with tomes. I don’t use it in PvE just PvP, thats why I’m lvling another, nice and slow.

Please keep me laughing

You only see QQ post from noob warriors playing easy mode and every other noob there is, I have 2 level 80 warriors, Human and Azura and you all know why I made an Azura.

I think new warrior changes are good maybe more than good for me:

Signet of Might and Rage,Rampage,Rousing Resilience Trait,New Fierce Shot,Whirling Axe,Arcing Slice and more goes positive sides

-%5 damage reduce and adrelaine loss more than before is nothing to talk about so much.Warriors still will have a lot of adrenaline after balance.

http://wiki.guildwars2.com/wiki/September_2014_Feature_Pack/Balance_changes

Kuro Kami.8436:

With these nerfs coming to the warrior class, we’re about to be thrown AGAIN under the bus-

Arcing slice cleaves.
I don’t miss bursts anyway.

This patch only makes me stronger.

Azure The Heartless.3261:

I don’t miss bursts anyway.

Ah, the infamous longbow/longbow build.

a t s e.9614:

You might be one of those people who plays shadow arts thief ,thinks he is good and thieves need nerf. Actually black powder nerf is huge for people who don’t use shadow arts and play the 26006 build.

Anyway arenanet doesn’t play their game , they nerfed every warrior build except Hambow lol. F1 longbow cannot miss so the Nerf is irrelevant .

as a non warrior, longbow should be the one that deserves to be changed, that and reduce warrior mobility the rest is sorta fine.

Cygnus.6903:

Azure The Heartless.3261:

I don’t miss bursts anyway.

Ah, the infamous longbow/longbow build.

100% win streak, never miss burst, op

I rarely whiff unless there’s an X factor, though.

Aeolus.3615:

reduce warrior mobility

No thanks. GS is borderline junk weapon for anything but autoattacking already.

Unless you would like making it actually useful on its 3 and 5 skills for anything but running instead.

Azure The Heartless.3261:

Cygnus.6903:

Azure The Heartless.3261:

I don’t miss bursts anyway.

Ah, the infamous longbow/longbow build.

100% win streak, never miss burst, op

I rarely whiff unless there’s an X factor, though.

Aeolus.3615:

reduce warrior mobility

No thanks. GS is borderline junk weapon for anything but autoattacking already.

Unless you would like making it actually useful on its 3 and 5 skills for anything but running instead.

offccourse that would be the ideal of reducing the mobility, 2h swords wvw warriors are mos tly the “forets gumps” of the game that run, run even if u log out they still keep running, i pretty much notice that, but i fear that Anet would just copy pasta guardian 2h sword skills with other name and yellow flash efects.

Whirlwind Attack for something -> http://wiki.guildwars.com/wiki/Quivering_Blade, or if already dazed targets get kd, punishment for not being with stability :P

Bladetrail -> http://wiki.guildwars.com/wiki/Leviathan%27s_Sweep

and Rush for something like http://wiki.guildwars.com/wiki/Enraging_Charge

EDIT: gw1 > gw2

Aeolus.3615:

Azure The Heartless.3261:

Cygnus.6903:

Azure The Heartless.3261:

I don’t miss bursts anyway.

Ah, the infamous longbow/longbow build.

100% win streak, never miss burst, op

I rarely whiff unless there’s an X factor, though.

Aeolus.3615:

reduce warrior mobility

No thanks. GS is borderline junk weapon for anything but autoattacking already.

Unless you would like making it actually useful on its 3 and 5 skills for anything but running instead.

offccourse that would be the ideal of reducing the mobility, 2h swords wvw warriors are mos tly the “forets gumps” of the game that run, run even if u log out they still keep running, i pretty much notice that, but i fear that Anet would just copy pasta guardian 2h sword skills with other name and yellow flash efects.

Whirlwind Attack for something -> http://wiki.guildwars.com/wiki/Quivering_Blade, or if already dazed targets get kd, punishment for not being with stability :P

Bladetrail -> http://wiki.guildwars.com/wiki/Leviathan%27s_Sweep

and Rush for something like http://wiki.guildwars.com/wiki/Enraging_Charge

EDIT: gw1 > gw2

See, I’d gladly take CC/adenaline strikes like the above over longer range dashes.

I don’t think people will be happy if their beloved “warriors run too much” plea becomes “too much cc, op” though.

GS is useless right now though for anything but. I refuse to accept a nerf to its dashes unless there is a tradeoff.

Is it only me that took pride in being good with the warrior back in the day? I mean when all you could do was go full out damage and hope that you could kill your opponent before you died. I don’t like being called OP whenever I kill someone. I’d rather play an underpowered class.

Gamgee.8612:

Is it only me that took pride in being good with the warrior back in the day? I mean when all you could do was go full out damage and hope that you could kill your opponent before you died. I don’t like being called OP whenever I kill someone. I’d rather play an underpowered class.

Frenzy time?? there where different skills/traits back then that made this possible
It wassnt possible after they nerfed that.. so we had to build more defensive..

etc etc.

nicknamenick.2437:

Gamgee.8612:

Is it only me that took pride in being good with the warrior back in the day? I mean when all you could do was go full out damage and hope that you could kill your opponent before you died. I don’t like being called OP whenever I kill someone. I’d rather play an underpowered class.

Frenzy time?? there where different skills/traits back then that made this possible
It wassnt possible after they nerfed that.. so we had to build more defensive..

etc etc.

Yeah I’m not suggesting we go back to that state.

Good lord, all the qq, it’s ok though, you’ll still be miles above ranger

DrOrange.9230:

Good lord, all the qq, it’s ok though, you’ll still be miles above ranger

You seem to think ranger is inherently worse than warrior.

Let’s fix that shall we?

Another bad warrior qqing about l2play perfect balance update for warriors with an unfprmatted wall of text. GG.NR.

this is what a tiny adjustment to adrenaline turns into???

Wow, I’d hate to see what would happen if your Disengages & Condition shedding ever got touched. Infact, I’d love to see the reactions of any GW2 warriors who were forced to play a Gw1 warrior which had neither condition shedding, nor instant teleports. …oddly enough, that’s exactly what I found so entertaining about mine in the long term and the reason it was my 2nd most played class for 6 years straight (next to Monk). :p

Oh no! Now warriors have to use things like timing and strategy when using burst skills!

Oh no! Such wit! Can’t sustain it!

Who cares about that in the end I do not have much use for adrenaline and charges very fast and I use mostly greatsword and rifle but I need a explication and to say a problem can I still use whirlwind attack like a or better said the third greatsword skill like a dash and second why did you made rifle useless I use it when 80% of the time I need to dodge and the rest to damage and its very useful thanks to the bleed condition now its useless and I have to find another tactic with another range weapon.

TL;DR version

Warriors in sPvP are fine – some things were changed but nothing overly major.

Warriors will continue to be easy to play, easy to learn, and extremely one-sided in PvE. Warriors take a few lumps but overall will feel similar.

However, Warriors will get there balls ripped off and handed to them in WvW. G’luck with the new adrenaline mechanic. Bend over, adapt heavily and still be underpowered or reroll.

My Warrior is going into semi-retirement. Guardian and Mesmer, here I come!

On a side note, I just love how a qqing warrior always gives telegraphing as something that compensates 3+ CCs and immobilize readily available to hambows. As if endurance never runs out.

Artaz.3819:

TL;DR version

Warriors in sPvP are fine – some things were changed but nothing overly major.

Warriors will continue to be easy to play, easy to learn, and extremely one-sided in PvE. Warriors take a few lumps but overall will feel similar.

However, Warriors will get there balls ripped off and handed to them in WvW. G’luck with the new adrenaline mechanic. Bend over, adapt heavily and still be underpowered or reroll.

My Warrior is going into semi-retirement. Guardian and Mesmer, here I come!

Do you even play your warrior? You think this nerf will change anything? mm.. nope, it won’t for good players at least, on the other hand new players are going to be struggling to adapt to the new changes.

I think that was the point. Warriors are more challenging for new players now while barely anything changes for decent warrior players. Besides that there’re finally consequences if you miss your burst ability/your opponent outplays you (except for that laughably low CD).

Good change imo. People will cry about nerfs no matter what though, doesn’t matter which profession.

xbutcherx.3861:

Artaz.3819:

TL;DR version

Warriors in sPvP are fine – some things were changed but nothing overly major.

Warriors will continue to be easy to play, easy to learn, and extremely one-sided in PvE. Warriors take a few lumps but overall will feel similar.

However, Warriors will get there balls ripped off and handed to them in WvW. G’luck with the new adrenaline mechanic. Bend over, adapt heavily and still be underpowered or reroll.

My Warrior is going into semi-retirement. Guardian and Mesmer, here I come!

Do you even play your warrior? You think this nerf will change anything? mm.. nope, it won’t for good players at least, on the other hand new players are going to be struggling to adapt to the new changes.

2000+ hours on Warrior and covered 100% of the game play types but most of it played in WvW (half zergin’/havoc and the other half roaming). I now only play my Warrior in sPvP or for the general LS updates since it’s the only character I have with full map completion/legendary – the real one and not the skin/full story completion/all dungeons/fractals/blah blah blah.

“Good” players can’t avoid a blind or an evade or an interrupt controlled by the opponent (all instant or near instant). In those cases, your Warrior just spent 100% of your Adrenaline bar for no effect.

No worries, you’ll see.

Now let’s hear your credentials and this will not significantly change the fundamental mechanical portion of any Warrior build.

Speaking from a zerk warriors position:

The constant barrage of nerfs are unbearable. The ferocity nerf hit warriors the hardest due to not being able to reach max out on all 3 damage points (power, precision, ferocity) (you can only max two as they are distributed between 3 different trait lines) which simultaneously buffed things like condi damage and necro death shroud(they’re so stupidly tanky now) as they weren’t brought down to make up for it. Then boon duration runes got nerfed killing builds with 100% signet of rage up time and yet now another 5 seconds are going to be shaved off so if you even dared trying to stack boon duration you’d end up with just the 30 seconds it used to be at while sacrificing so many crucial stats in exchange. But wait there’s more; now adrenaline is receiving not one but TWO nerfs at the same time while simultaneously buffing all the other classes?
The first essentially cuts warrior damage by over half as you can’t start a fight with a burst skill with adrenaline from a previous fight then use an adrenaline filling move (berserker stance, sigent of fury) and burst again because who needs planning and forethought right? The second is plain ridiculous do you know how many things in this game can waste your adrenaline with this change? blind, block, evade, range, out of range bug, invulns, moving. It’s going to require sheer luck to land a burst. I can’t even move to interrupt my own kill shot anymore and conserve my adrenaline when I see it’s not going to land because who needs a higher skill cap right? Congratulations on nerfing the only class who can’t beat other classes 1v1 (assuming there’s no skill difference between players) and are only top dog in pve (where the ai is abysmal) into oblivion; mesmer, necro, guard, thief, even ranger all take a dump on a warriors face. We’re now pigeon holed into hammer/shout train banner bots because who needs options right?

hey you can still pop god mode and afk with hammer and still win the fight I guess

Wow this thread is filled with bad players. Warriors complaining about thieves? lol
Warriors thinking they will be easy kills is wvw or pvp? lol
Like if you honestly think that and aren’t trolling you seriously need to learn to play the game. I thought rangers had the most bad players but I was wrong, warrior clearly takes the cake.

ITT: A Bunch of people who got killed by warriors and want them nerfed because of it.

This thread is pure gold.

This nerf is nothing to worry about. My main is a warrior.
Even after the patch I can still gank people. If you cry about the adrenaline nerf, then you are a bad warrior.

Hoaxintelligence.4628:

This nerf is nothing to worry about. My main is a warrior.
Even after the patch I can still gank people. If you cry about the adrenaline nerf, then you are a bad warrior.

Amazing, you’re able to play the game from the future? This is truly amazing.

Anet, who claims to not do things the same way other MMOs do, (LOL!) is just doing what every other MMO does and has done; Make Warriors/Soldiers, a class that’s been powerful and feared throughout history, into easy kills for other players.

Bad warriors, your tears are amazing hehehe