Guild Wars 2

Hi

I have only an ele and like to try out warrior as my second char. I prefer WvW and usually run with a friend or two.

I have about 20 gold and crafting material for my jeweler left. (+ a traveler runeset)

So i came to this build that seems to fit me and looks intresting als a control/burst warrior. I usually don´t build meta, i want diffrent and surpising characters.

http://gw2skills.net/editor/?vJMQNApZUjMdQZH22BWdAnIGICMsFkDGBWA4DOA0920bLA-TVDFABVfCBQ4QEYkyguPACyt/QKq/ojSPAOCAlZ+rD9EZoJJiHEwAKBJDQ5WA-w

I like to hear your opinion on it. Maybe some optimization (especially in gear) is possible.

Greetings
Wolf

GS/Ham is much much better. three physical skills is kind of a joke tbh, i would use bulls charge only- if at all. to be honest, you build is almost a joke build.

here is Shin’s Ham/GS build: http://intothemists.com/guides/5698-shins_hamtastic_warrior_build
Shin is great warrior and i recommend his twitch. his Ham/GS is pretty extreme, as it drops defense for arms, however there is also the more normal Ham/GS http://gw2skills.net/editor/?vJAQJARSjMdQXIWGCWhApIGICKs1fhRwCgIYA0vY6nCA-w
for both builds the gear is as much zerk as you can handle, ideally 100%.

warrior has a variety of builds that work in wvw roaming, however GS/Ham is popular for a reason- it’s amazing. i would recommend it highly. however, this doesn’t mean it’s the best or only build. there are tons of other builds that warrior can run, however if you are in a small group and want control and burst Ham/GS with rampage is an excellent build.

Well i said i usually don´t build meta and the wepon sets are the ones i like to try.
And why are three pysical bad ? Did you look at the build at whole? Also its not a PvP build! And i don´t like zerker or pure melee. So thanx for your opinion but it just reads like go meta from a spvp player.

Edit: You edited it and that sounds better ^^.

great. awesome. if you want range and melee Killshot is an excellent build for you. normally run with an offhand greatsword, and sometimes a sword and shield the build has high damage and mobility. below is the build Vaanss, a popular warrior streamer and youtuber is running on his warrior for killshot.

http://en.gw2skills.net/editor/?vJAQJAURjMdQVI2FCmhAnIGKCKbAegAAX99OE08O6zCA-TVSBABX8AAoZ/BKV/xMlgXp8rjjAAe6C04QAAwFAIAACwNvZ28mBG6QH6QH6Q7m3co3coLnUA6p1C-w

*sorry for edits i’m pretty stoned

in regard to why three physical skills is an awful choice, just look at them in comparison to the other skills you have available. they are basically weapon skills. just simple cc’s. now look at the signets, stances or traited shouts.

AOE heal and unblockable fear- so nice
4sec invun- ohhh yeahhh
remove all conditions- oh my god perfect
8sec condition immunity- i got to have this

i could go on, as there are many skills i missed- but i feel the point is made. physical skills are just not strong enough to be taken over these skills. the benefits of the single cc are outweighed by what the other skills bring.

yes this build is more of what i want. But its so zerk heavy ^^. Also i don´t see GS or sword in general mandatory for that. My mace version has much more control and that knockdown is also 1200, so criple or rush seems not mandatory.
Balaced stance is fine for a extra speed and stability. I will consider it. The other stances are good but seem not fit me. They also have long CD´s.
My build is more defensive, has more control and still hits hard with its burst (which will have 100% crit when swaping to rifle).

I have less critical damage and crit chance but more control. Also more tankiness. The rifle has sigil of inteligence and i have condi cleanse on swap, burst and hiting in meele + the sigil for emergency.
I did see the souts and you are rigth that there are many good utilities but i favor traited utilities on short cooldowns that damage and disable. So i go for passiv defence in the gear (mainly toughness) and active interuption on the utilities that fit in my trait line.

Maybe this is more what you’re looking for?

Build is in the video’s description. A fully ascended version would use all Cavalier trinkets and then whatever mix of Cavalier and Valkyrie armor and weapons gets you to the levels you like. All Valk armor and all Cav weapons best approximate the distribution he has there.

Reasons you may like it:

• It’s definitely not meta
• It’s got ranged and melee
• It’s not zerk, and has lots of armor and decent health
• The key rotation hits hard and is aoe

Judging by the comments, your key burst rotation takes advantage of the Intelligence Sigil on the greatsword:

1. [Optional] Combustive Shot (F1 lb)
2. Arcing Arrow (lb 3) If you used CS first you’ll blast for might
3. Swap weapons before AA lands – So it benefits from the Intel Sigil on the gs
4. Arcing Slice (F1 gs)
5. Whirlwind Attack

I have no experience with this gear comp (using zerker yes, but not this version).

Your original build has a number of problems from a wvw perspective. Most ranged attackers will out damage you and will be able to easily avoid most of your rifle dps. Unless people aren’t able to watch you, you’ll need to be a bit tricky to land KS on the rifle. As mentioned, your all-physical utilities are coming at a really high opportunity cost for the cc they bring.

You’re also slow as hell even with the Trav Runes, which would make me nervous as a warrior in wvw unless I was in a large group. The reason most warriors have mobility built into their weapons (and why ham/bow didn’t really come into wvw even at its peak in pvp) is that it’s one of the few “active defenses” a warrior has.

I think you’ll be surprised by how little defense the health pool and armor give you when compared to the active mitigation options you’re used to on the ele. Maintaining high dps (kill or be killed) is really important for a warrior because the sustain isn’t great.

Its tempting to use valk/cav but i fear the sigil would not be enough to make it efficient.
Also I built rifle + maces.
Mobility: I have traveler + 28s swiftness if needed + charge. Should be fine.
The build will do active support with heavy interuption and will constantly hit hard when swaping to rifle and firing burst with 100% crit. Also many players go into melee and thats where i will hit them with control havin seven control strikes that all inflict weakness.
As ele i run and dodge like a crazy chicken :-). I know that is the main damage mitigation + my blindspam. I run 15k HP there with high toughness to swallow zerker hits with stone heart and it works.
An i know warriors. They jump on me and knock me down but one knockdown is not enough i usually kill them after about 30s fighting because all their utilities are on CD after 10s and zerk gear is worthless against me ^^.
I have no feeling how seven controls will work out but this could cause panic and is worth a try. At least its funny to throw them around and its all about fun :-)

I’d have the same concern, but then he looks like a competent warrior in a competent guild, and he says he’s run this in spvp and wvw.

As for your build, it’ll only cost gold to test it out. I think I see some pretty massive holes there (you’re also a sitting duck against most condi builds, and stability will neutrilize your combat contribution), but it’s just my opinion and I could be wrong

Have fun!

3 physical skills = no stab no stunbreaks

dude, i would not recommend it people are going to own you.

Has the one stun break on Stomp, but otherwise, pretty vulnerable to cc of all kinds, yeah.

Choppy.4183:

Has the one stun break on Stomp, but otherwise, pretty vulnerable to cc of all kinds, yeah.

hahaha forgot it had a stunbreak with the 1stab. still a joke of a skill.

You are right that stability will counter much. Regarding stunbreak. I run only one on my ele and am fine. But it might be diffrent.
And the GS/gan build you posted will perish against my ele. But thats because i run non meta :-)

Wolfric.9380:

You are right that stability will counter much. Regarding stunbreak. I run only one on my ele and am fine. But it might be diffrent.
And the GS/gan build you posted will perish against my ele. But thats because i run non meta :-)

GS/Ham in the hands of a good player should beat a condi ele imo

I would like to try that. Cant remember which worriors i met. The whirling ones all died.
The problem agains my very unusual build is, that while your defence is nearly non existent you can´t kill me fast. There might be one critical moment. When i fire my healing glyph. If im interrupted i often loose, if not and your heal and berserker stance are on cooldown i will put 2-3k dps on you while your hits will be below 1k plus misses from my blind + doges. You strike against 3500 Armor with stone heart. My build is not stable but devasting against most zerkers. The end is usually being bolted down when i swap to air with two hard instant lighning (swap + 2), blind followed by knockdown. I do this when someone starts to disengage gaining speed myself. I loose against necro and condi mesmer hard but i can live with that :-). I said i like building diffrent and usually i am successful with that and have fun playing my own creation not copying meta builds. Surprise makes the diffrence. But i like to hear opinions and learn more. I now see that much stability could ruin my plan with the control warrior.

you should drop all of the physical skills for stances and take rampage tbh. it has a charge, kick, stomp, and perma stab. it’s better than all three physical skills combined, because it includes all three and more.

your right rampage looks like a great option. I don´t have a feeling how good the adrenalin gain from the signet is. The build is much about adrenalin.

With Cleansing Ire, you’ll never have problems with adren gain in Wvw.

um.. I can’t. I just can’t understand the purpose of the build you designed it for.
Can you upload one dueling video and one play in ranked arena of spvp when you use this build? then I think I can give you honest feedback.

@online
It’s a very niche build that appears to be built from the idea of defeating another niche build he runs on an ele.

It definitely had some major weaknesses against common thteats in Wvw (where it’ll be used), but maybe he’ll have enough fun to offset that. I don’t think he’s proposing a new build so much as looking for advice to make small improvements to a build he thinks he might like.

It’s entirely based on cc up close and then rifle damage at range. The best case scenario is stacking a bunch of vuln and weakness followed by a killshot landing.

Condi, high cc, or ranged dps builds will wreck the build, I think. Mobile melee will too unless he can catch them with cc and they can’t clear the weakness, even then, I think he’ll be at a disadvantage still.

Choppy.4183:

@online
It’s a very niche build that appears to be built from the idea of defeating another niche build he runs on an ele.

It definitely had some major weaknesses against common thteats in Wvw (where it’ll be used), but maybe he’ll have enough fun to offset that. I don’t think he’s proposing a new build so much as looking for advice to make small improvements to a build he thinks he might like.

It’s entirely based on cc up close and then rifle damage at range. The best case scenario is stacking a bunch of vuln and weakness followed by a killshot landing.

Condi, high cc, or ranged dps builds will wreck the build, I think. Mobile melee will too unless he can catch them with cc and they can’t clear the weakness, even then, I think he’ll be at a disadvantage still.

Ok. probably now i can help you,
I would rather suggest hammer instead of Rifle.
For rifle, you really need at least Fear me. I have tried like rifle butt + killshot and kick + killshot but both will not work.

Lastly, lose berserker’s power and have Distracting Strike.

This is not absolute solution but I hope it helped you

Choppy got it best. I don´t serch for meta or completly diffrent builds. I like to learn from the warrior comunity, because i have no feeling for how a warrior plays. I just know them as being no great threat unless meeting a smart player. So thanx to all that reply.
I usually have great fun playing diffrent, surprising and am successful with it. I prefer some tradeoffs over overal balance. So i focus and strenthen what i do leavig back weaknesses. If i go down because a non meta build capitalizes from my weakness its OK. Thats the tradeoff for seriously stressing even top players with my average skill.
And i like to give active support for my teammates by disrupting the enemy or drawing fire on me. I am sucsessful (and have much fun even when going down for the team) with my ele running with my friends zerker thief/ranger/mesmer (he is one of the good players starting from begining). I draw attention and he kills picking them one by one. Often the second goes down before they realize whats happening and they can´t get this strange low ranked ele down fast enough. I play smart not fast. But i get better with each run. I started GW2 three month ago!

Hammer instead of rifle is a nice suggestion. I like it, but it will leave me all close combat with average mobility. I fear i can´t pull that off. Also traiting it has a drawback.
I see that there are lots of good utilities, but all on long CD´s. you might be rigth that kick doesn´t do much good and fear me looks great fun.
Also frenzy or berserkers stance seem fine for my build. While endure pain looks great i think it won´t fit.
also the sugestion of Distracting strike is good. I already thought doing that but with berserkers power my killshot can hit over 10k and i have not much boost to condi damage.

condi as weakness?
I have:
1 condi cleanse on swap to rifle.
2 condi cleanse swap to mace.
1 condi clens on the mace
Average of that is one condi removed all 2.5s.
up to three cleanse on burst.
7s resistance if it gests serious.

Maybe this improvment does it better.
http://gw2skills.net/editor/?vJMQNApZUjMdQZH22BWhApIGICMsFkDGBWA4DOA0920bLA-TVDFABVfCBQ4QE09BQQu9HuRZQKq/ojSPAOCAlZ+rDNEZoPJiHEwAKBJEQ5tA-w

When you look at my builds you won´t see all synergies in 1 second. You have to think about traits, food, armor, weapons and utilities as whole :-). So take a bit time and don´t look at the first page saying mace/mace + rifle is kitten. :-).

I wouldn’t say that your build is bad, but the area that it will be effective is tighter than some other options. It will be hard to break out of a good lock down with your build unless you pop Rampage at the right time. Otherwise you’re in trouble because you’ve only got so many evades with this set up. Toughness can only go so far if you do not compliment it with evading hard hitting skills. I would suggest switching out the cleansing sigils on your maces and putting on Sigil of Energy and something else. Being able to dodge the condition before it’s put on you is much more beneficial and Cleansing Ire should take care of the remaining ones.

your right i thought on puting energy sigil on the mace instead of the cleansing sigil on hit. Guess since i now also put in berzerkers stance this will work much better.
But my resurces are limitet. As written on top I have one set of traveler runes left, 20 gold and some crafting material. (+ If needed a bunch ob bages). I don´t like to buy expensive sigils but if i like the warrior i will do for shure.

http://gw2skills.net/editor/?vJMQNApZUjMdQZH22BWhApIGICMsFkDGBWA4DOA0920bLA-TVUDABkfAEYzMkCKBBw0QPKN4+EC8whIwHlB5t/AMq/cwRAIATMkonAjDEAIaS+RJmEPAAyAoPGA-w

since i can make zerker trinkes easily also updated that to get more power. I want decent defence and control with maces and a hard hitting rifle.
Also if i feel i need more defence i will change food for endu regeneration.