Guild Wars 2

Hi All,
I am just returning to game after taking a year off for real life issues and thinking about playing a warrior.

Before I left Warriors were in the top tier DPS and solid in WVW. I am curious where they stand now? Do they still hold up in WVW and how is there survivability?

I am looking for a build that is duel wield in nature instead of the classic GS/hammer build that seemed to exist in the past. The questions is how is viability with sword/axe or axe/axe style builds?

To give you an idea of what the cool kids are playing…
http://metabattle.com/wiki/MetaBattle_Wiki

Warrior has low DPS across the board, but still play several pretty important roles for WvW – especially zergs.

BlackTruth.6813:

P.S
Try to not listen to the whiners too, most of them are PvE noobs or just low mechanic players who have no idea how to build or never really took the time to improve.

Quotes like this are a good demonstration for why no one should listen to you.

hybrid.5027:

BlackTruth.6813:

P.S
Try to not listen to the whiners too, most of them are PvE noobs or just low mechanic players who have no idea how to build or never really took the time to improve.

Quotes like this are a good demonstration for why no one should listen to you.

Im not sure who either of you are but Black is correct. The majority of whining comes from those who don’t take the time to understand how to play the class or take the time to improve at playing in class.

Back when the adrenaline (what whiners call nerf and what us good warriors thought of as a 2 year fix to how the mechanic is supposed to work) change, about a handful of us called it plain as day, that the gap between terribad and great warriors would only become more transparent. Seems like black is on the side of great with us, but where do you stand hybrid?

I think its more people liking Warriors being free kills and you want to keep them that way!

Assassin X.8573:

hybrid.5027:

BlackTruth.6813:

P.S
Try to not listen to the whiners too, most of them are PvE noobs or just low mechanic players who have no idea how to build or never really took the time to improve.

Quotes like this are a good demonstration for why no one should listen to you.

Im not sure who either of you are but Black is correct. The majority of whining comes from those who don’t take the time to understand how to play the class or take the time to improve at playing in class.

Back when the adrenaline (what whiners call nerf and what us good warriors thought of as a 2 year fix to how the mechanic is supposed to work) change, about a handful of us called it plain as day, that the gap between terribad and great warriors would only become more transparent. Seems like black is on the side of great with us, but where do you stand hybrid?

I’m on the side that doesn’t label differing opinions “pve noobs” or “low mechanic players.” If the point he was making was so strong he wouldn’t need to use pejoratives to back it up.

I’ve noticed for a while now a common trend for people that prefer to exclusively play in PvP to refer to any and all PvE content as braindead spamming 1111 as if it were actually the case.

The attitude BlackTruth has shows he pretty much falls into the same category as described, as he’s pretty much trashing anybody that doesn’t do exactly what he does.

Assassin X.8573:

Back when the adrenaline (what whiners call nerf and what us good warriors thought of as a 2 year fix to how the mechanic is supposed to work) change, about a handful of us called it plain as day, that the gap between terribad and great warriors would only become more transparent. Seems like black is on the side of great with us, but where do you stand hybrid?

It’s factually correct to refer to it as a nerf because it substantially lowers DPS in PvE and prevents the ability to use burst skills at the start of an encounter without first building adrenaline for it in PvP and WvW.

Regardless of whether or not the mechanic works the way you feel it should, it reduces the efficacy of the class as a whole and does nothing to increase it as a tradeoff.

That is by definition of what a nerf is in this context.

Nice ego trip though.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nerf_%28video_gaming%29

Shieldbash.5304:

I think its more people liking Warriors being free kills and you want to keep them that way!

If a Warrior is a free kill, then the issue is a pebmac issue for the Warrior.

Totbot.4583:

Shieldbash.5304:

I think its more people liking Warriors being free kills and you want to keep them that way!

If a Warrior is a free kill, then the issue is a pebmac issue for the Warrior.

Really? Un equip your LB and show me your prowess!

Some serious reproduction organ comparison going on here.

warriors are still up there, but in sheer DPS they have been surpassed by rangers, engineers, mesmers and guardians. Ele and thief is still way above warrior and the rest in DPS as they always was.

the “place” where warriors took the biggest hit was their sustain. The healing signet nerf WAS warranted, but the way they failed to compensate or rebalance other defensive functions put the warrior in a pitiful place.

in terms of WvW, a warrior will only sustain itself, aslong as a guardian is by its side. meaning once the guard goes down, your warrior will quickly follow. Warrior does not possess protection or aegis, and as such, they have very little ways to mitigate damage short of using shield block or stances. but even then, warrior is currently in such a position that it can only delay the inevitable, not avoid it.
Warriors simply lack some sort of defense, that does not completely shut down its offense. currently you can sort of pull this off in PvP by running celestial or valkyrie with axe shield and intelligence sigil. this gives you mighty strong bursts, but it is by no means as tanky as it needs be.

For the time being, i suggest you play either ranger (DPS and very strong 1v1/camp flipping prowess), thief (DPS/dueling) or guardian (DPS/support).
These three are not that much affected by the recent nerf to might. Ele and engi took a hit with the reduced stats.
Might stacking on ranger is still a valid approach, as long as you do it on behalf of your pet and not yourself (bird with 25 stacks can burst squishies for 4×3k in less then 2 seconds)

Prysin.8542:

warriors are still up there, but in sheer DPS they have been surpassed by rangers, engineers, mesmers and guardians. Ele and thief is still way above warrior and the rest in DPS as they always was.

Guardians and mesmers are still below warriors.

Shieldbash.5304:

Really? Un equip your LB and show me your prowess!

Really Shieldbash? 3 weeks ago you posted a thread how you just started the game and you go all kitteny already?

Relax man.

hybrid.5027:

Assassin X.8573:

hybrid.5027:

BlackTruth.6813:

P.S
Try to not listen to the whiners too, most of them are PvE noobs or just low mechanic players who have no idea how to build or never really took the time to improve.

Quotes like this are a good demonstration for why no one should listen to you.

Im not sure who either of you are but Black is correct. The majority of whining comes from those who don’t take the time to understand how to play the class or take the time to improve at playing in class.

Back when the adrenaline (what whiners call nerf and what us good warriors thought of as a 2 year fix to how the mechanic is supposed to work) change, about a handful of us called it plain as day, that the gap between terribad and great warriors would only become more transparent. Seems like black is on the side of great with us, but where do you stand hybrid?

I’m on the side that doesn’t label differing opinions “pve noobs” or “low mechanic players.” If the point he was making was so strong he wouldn’t need to use pejoratives to back it up.

exactly, i don’t even know why hes still here making dumb comments.
hes in almost every “rifle is lacking” thread, saying that people are noobs and can’t build for shet and says rifle has potential, while he failed epic-ally to realize “has potential” means exactly the same as “lacking in some way” and he also failed to demonstrate his build can do any better

Thaddeus.4891:

Shieldbash.5304:

Really? Un equip your LB and show me your prowess!

Really Shieldbash? 3 weeks ago you posted a thread how you just started the game and you go all kitteny already?

Relax man.

One does not need be a lifer at the game to see the Warrior mechanics are failing and cannot compete at the same level as the other top classes in pvp. The Warriors greatest defense was his ability to pressure his opponent with dps, now they have far less DPS and no real defensive abilities and low healing.

Shieldbash.5304:

Thaddeus.4891:

Shieldbash.5304:

Really? Un equip your LB and show me your prowess!

Really Shieldbash? 3 weeks ago you posted a thread how you just started the game and you go all kitteny already?

Relax man.

One does not need be a lifer at the game to see the Warrior mechanics are failing and cannot compete at the same level as the other top classes in pvp. The Warriors greatest defense was his ability to pressure his opponent with dps, now they have far less DPS and no real defensive abilities and low healing.

Shoutbow says hi in regards of defence and healing (plz don’t go into a discussion abt shoutbow here though >.>)

Natar.3671:

Shieldbash.5304:

Thaddeus.4891:

Shieldbash.5304:

Really? Un equip your LB and show me your prowess!

Really Shieldbash? 3 weeks ago you posted a thread how you just started the game and you go all kitteny already?

Relax man.

One does not need be a lifer at the game to see the Warrior mechanics are failing and cannot compete at the same level as the other top classes in pvp. The Warriors greatest defense was his ability to pressure his opponent with dps, now they have far less DPS and no real defensive abilities and low healing.

Shoutbow says hi in regards of defence and healing (plz don’t go into a discussion abt shoutbow here though >.>)

Buff botting is not fun, end rant!

Dude you play the game for only a month and you are trying to act tough on the forum.

Shieldbash.5304:

Buff botting is not fun, end rant!

So you are making the point that Warrior don’t have real defensive abilities and low healing. When someone point out to you that its untrue, you change your argument to its not fun?

Buff botting make me think that you just play Warrior badly. Do you at least check which condition do you remove with shout and which one do you transform into boons with your warhorn?

Everytime someone use term like this take no skills, this is only 111111, this is botting something, etc. That only prove that you don’t know what you are talking about. You can make a good point, but you choose not too by making blank statement like this.

Prysin.8542:

warriors are still up there, but in sheer DPS they have been surpassed by rangers, engineers, mesmers and guardians. Ele and thief is still way above warrior and the rest in DPS as they always was.

the “place” where warriors took the biggest hit was their sustain. The healing signet nerf WAS warranted, but the way they failed to compensate or rebalance other defensive functions put the warrior in a pitiful place.

in terms of WvW, a warrior will only sustain itself, aslong as a guardian is by its side. meaning once the guard goes down, your warrior will quickly follow. Warrior does not possess protection or aegis, and as such, they have very little ways to mitigate damage short of using shield block or stances. but even then, warrior is currently in such a position that it can only delay the inevitable, not avoid it.
Warriors simply lack some sort of defense, that does not completely shut down its offense. currently you can sort of pull this off in PvP by running celestial or valkyrie with axe shield and intelligence sigil. this gives you mighty strong bursts, but it is by no means as tanky as it needs be.

For the time being, i suggest you play either ranger (DPS and very strong 1v1/camp flipping prowess), thief (DPS/dueling) or guardian (DPS/support).
These three are not that much affected by the recent nerf to might. Ele and engi took a hit with the reduced stats.
Might stacking on ranger is still a valid approach, as long as you do it on behalf of your pet and not yourself (bird with 25 stacks can burst squishies for 4×3k in less then 2 seconds)

Thanks for this information. I found it informative and balanced. I have a ranger right now and may just focus on him for the time being and play with either ele or engi (more for AOE) and just hold off until expansion to try Revenant. I have played a guardian in the past and was fun but just got tired of it.

Thaddeus.4891:

Dude you play the game for only a month and you are trying to act tough on the forum.

Shieldbash.5304:

Buff botting is not fun, end rant!

So you are making the point that Warrior don’t have real defensive abilities and low healing. When someone point out to you that its untrue, you change your argument to its not fun?

Buff botting make me think that you just play Warrior badly. Do you at least check which condition do you remove with shout and which one do you transform into boons with your warhorn?

Everytime someone use term like this take no skills, this is only 111111, this is botting something, etc. That only prove that you don’t know what you are talking about. You can make a good point, but you choose not too by making blank statement like this.

Other classes do not have to neuter themselves to have these! Whats the point of having a Warrior master of weapons for buffing, other classes can do it better more efficiently.

Shieldbash.5304:

Other classes do not have to neuter themselves to have these! Whats the point of having a Warrior master of weapons for buffing, other classes can do it better more efficiently.

And I’ll argue that the strength of shoutbow is exactly the opposite. You can give might, remove condition and heal your group, while sacrificing not that much as a warrior. That’s why shoutbow is view as a meta build right now. Not because its a good 1vs1 build, its bad at that. But because it’s good at group combat.

What I’m doing arguing with someone that don’t know the game yet sorry my bad.

Judging from Shieldbash’s posts I’ve seen in various threads, he wants a class that has high damage, only uses melee weapons, and has great defenses. Any sort of weakness to the class is unacceptable and if you bring any group support at all, even if that group support also directly benefits you, it makes the class awful.