Guild Wars 2

Was browsing some of the other class forums and came upon this ..

https://forum-en.gw2archive.eu/forum/professions/mesmer/Your-Easiest-Toughest-Opponent

I didn’t realize Warriors were considered an easy pushover by Mesmers. Any of you have any success agaisnt them ?

It’s a tough match for sure. I’d say that a good mesmer should win, but it’s easy to take out poor/mediocre ones. A good mesmer should be able to prolong the fight and avoid damage with phase retreat/blurred frenzy/blink/decoy long enough to wear the warrior down.

Typically it’s going to go like this:
Warrior has to avoid shatter damage
Mesmer has to avoid longbow aoe (if applicable), and kite properly
Warrior needs to put enough pressure out to force blink/decoy, then land 100b cleanly with phase retreat on cd

Even tho warriors are PvE’s gods, in sPvP they are easy push over by most classes, but an easy way to fight mesmers is to bring “Throw Bolas” to keep them in place, they usually bring stun breaker but not condition remover

also, if you’re running full glass cannon + critical damage, bring rifle and use kill shot.. i’ve been sniping Mesmers for 17k’s.. which is easily enough to take them down.

As someone who mains a mesmer and subs a warrior, I’d say that they’re only a bad matchup if you’re melee focused or rely on the rifle’s killshot.

The big thing vs a mesmer is to just control yourself, if you hold back when piled on with confusion and DON’T FIRE KILLSHOT INTO THEIR MIMIC/FEEDBACK BUBBLE OF BUBBLY DEATH, you should be able to wear them out.

Other than that I don’t really have much else to say, mesmers are great at keepaway and harrassment with alot of condition removal for the defensive end (I play a tanky mesmer)

Forzani.2584:

Was browsing some of the other class forums and came upon this ..

https://forum-en.gw2archive.eu/forum/professions/mesmer/Your-Easiest-Toughest-Opponent

I didn’t realize Warriors were considered an easy pushover by Mesmers. Any of you have any success agaisnt them ?

Completely disagree that Warrior vs. Mesmer is a mismatch.
The warrior, in my honest opinion, can compete with a Mesmer pretty well.
Of course the Mesmer is at an advantage, but do you know where 90% of that advantage comes from? Idiotic Warriors.

This Berserker Warrior mentality that exists for PvE warriors is to blame. Warriors roll through anything and everything in PvE, so there is very little opportunity for most warriors to expand their skills. They come into WvW And PvP expecting the same roll and get smashed in the face. They are so used to going full damage specs… then realize it does not work in PvP. Immediately, they change into a new variety of builds and fail miserably because they have been playing “smash your face into the keyboard” for countless hours in PvE.

The first, and foremost, necessity in going against a mesmer is KNOWING the mesmer.
Having played the classes helps tremendously. The Mesmer was my first character before I made my warrior my main. Mesmers create images non-stop. Even if you are smart enough to not attack the image, if it fools you Even for a split second, it has done its job. You need to know what Mesmer’s attacks look like so you can constantly keep your focus on the real mesmer and/or know where he/she will be popping up (remotely).

Once you get that out of the way, the majority of the mesmer’s advantage is gone.
I find Hammer/Longbow (or GS) To be a ridiculously effective combination against a Mesmer. 50% because of how good the skill is, and 50% because Mesmer’s are so used to noob Warriors that when a warrior actually attacks the real one (and quickly), they will be at a loss of what to do. A few hits and Mesmers go down in seconds.

while it is true that warriors have a really hard time building skill because of the god status they get in PvE( as well as how simple the class is ) .. you’re now comparing skillful players vs Mesmer, any skillful player could kill a Mesmer, no matter the class but the average warrior( most players ) can’t deal with an decent Mesmer, sadly

google.3709:

while it is true that warriors have a really hard time building skill because of the god status they get in PvE( as well as how simple the class is ) .. you’re now comparing skillful players vs Mesmer, any skillful player could kill a Mesmer, no matter the class but the average warrior( most players ) can’t deal with an decent Mesmer, sadly

I think that they can granted they just know what Mesmer’s skills look like.
Though it’s hard for us to compare because of sPvP and tiers in WvW so average is always subjective -.-…..

Seriously, any sort of non-glass cannon build using the hammer or greatsword should have no problem against a mesmer, greatsword especially. You just figure out the real mesmer (the key for fighting one for any class) and cleave keeps the illusions off your back. Greatsword 3 basically kills every illusion you touch and hammer auto chain ends in an aoe. The rest is just standard anti-kite techniques.

Warriors are one of the few classes that are good at killing mesmers granted you don’t fall for the easy tricks. Unless of course you are using a single target weapon like the rifle or a slow weapon like the mace. Then you better hope that mesmer sucks at making clones.

CookMETEnder.7582:

google.3709:

while it is true that warriors have a really hard time building skill because of the god status they get in PvE( as well as how simple the class is ) .. you’re now comparing skillful players vs Mesmer, any skillful player could kill a Mesmer, no matter the class but the average warrior( most players ) can’t deal with an decent Mesmer, sadly

I think that they can granted they just know what Mesmer’s skills look like.
Though it’s hard for us to compare because of sPvP and tiers in WvW so average is always subjective -.-…..

true, but not everyone can respond fast enough to counter, etc also, im about to hit rank 40 so i have an idea of what the “average” is, but its my personal view which will prob differs from everyone’s else, so let me ask you this.

when you’re in sPvP and encounter a random war for the first time, do you think to yourself, “easy win” or do you play as cautious and paying attention to dodges like you would if fighting a mesmer or a thief?

Dante.3754:

Seriously, any sort of non-glass cannon build using the hammer or greatsword should have no problem against a mesmer, greatsword especially. You just figure out the real mesmer (the key for fighting one for any class) and cleave keeps the illusions off your back. Greatsword 3 basically kills every illusion you touch and hammer auto chain ends in an aoe. The rest is just standard anti-kite techniques.

Warriors are one of the few classes that are good at killing mesmers granted you don’t fall for the easy tricks. Unless of course you are using a single target weapon like the rifle or a slow weapon like the mace. Then you better hope that mesmer sucks at making clones.

Cleave ?

I wasn’t planning on using GS or Hammer so I guess I would likely have problems with them

Meleing illusions with anything other than GS 3 is a bad idea, they’re just gonna blow up in your face. To be fair to mesmers, 99% of warriors are a joke in PvP, at most they can be the hair that broke the camel’s back. In any sort of 1 on 1 or even 2 v 1 you can usually just interrupt whatever burst they were about to do then focus on the profession that actually has the potential to kill you.

mesmer > warrior more often than not at equal skill level, but most of the battle is knowing the mechanics of a mesmer. Average warriors can kill bad mesmers and vice versa, so a lot of it is general knowledge and build.

recognizing what kind of build the mesmer is, is important and should be known during the first couple seconds of battle. Greatsword mesmers are almost exclusively burst damage builds that make huge use of their ibezerker for their dmg. Staff mesmers can be either burst or confusion builds, and may either run sword or scepter as their 2nd set.

Confusion/Condition builds in my experience are a bit harder to contend with as accumulating even 3-4 stacks of confusion forces you to back off a bit and they can wittle you down eventually with the other conditions and other sustained damage they have. Destroying their clones will apply conditions and confusion on you if they are specced into it so it is a bit of a catch 22, whether you destroy it or not, they will apply conditions on you.

Burst damage mesmers I tend to have a better time with, especially greatsword ones as they do not have the utility and condition effects of staff mesmers. Generally destroying their illusions using the AoE of greatsword can mitigate alot of their damage and avoid some yourself. Do not belittle the confusion they can put on you, because even with minimal condition dmg it can still make a big difference in battle.

I myself have a mesmer as my second character, fully geared out. I find keeping pressure on the mesmers through melee, forcing them to blow cooldowns, using immobilize, cripples and your own mobility to do dmg is the best way to go about it. Obviously back out when the confusion stacks get too high. But constantly apply pressure by attacking him directly, try as much as possible to be the aggressor, not give them a waiting period and not be so passive.

Well built mesmers are actually pretty tanky and do not go down as fast as one may think, but fortunately this does not represent the majority of mesmers. Mesmers with any sort of toughness I find are harder to deal with as well, in combination with their kiting abilities.

Definitely a tougher match up compared to other classes, but just like thieves, once you know a bit about the class, they are easier to deal with.

google.3709:

CookMETEnder.7582:

google.3709:

while it is true that warriors have a really hard time building skill because of the god status they get in PvE( as well as how simple the class is ) .. you’re now comparing skillful players vs Mesmer, any skillful player could kill a Mesmer, no matter the class but the average warrior( most players ) can’t deal with an decent Mesmer, sadly

I think that they can granted they just know what Mesmer’s skills look like.
Though it’s hard for us to compare because of sPvP and tiers in WvW so average is always subjective -.-…..

true, but not everyone can respond fast enough to counter, etc also, im about to hit rank 40 so i have an idea of what the “average” is, but its my personal view which will prob differs from everyone’s else, so let me ask you this.

when you’re in sPvP and encounter a random war for the first time, do you think to yourself, “easy win” or do you play as cautious and paying attention to dodges like you would if fighting a mesmer or a thief?

Hmmm…. tough question.
I pay attention to dodges just as much for both and I am equally cautious, but about different things I guess.

If it’s a mesmer, my thought process is:
It’s a Mesmer >>> Dam kitten >>> Illusion, illusion, illusion >>> dodge, kitten dodge >>> There he is, STRIKE >>> kitten ran away, where is he >>> DIE DIE DIE

If it’s a warrior, my thought process is:
It’s a Warrior >>> Dam kitten >>> Come on, use your stuns, you know you want to >>> dodge, kitten dodge >>> TAKE THIS TO THE FACE

Throw in the skills somewhere in that
I run a Hammer / Greatsword build btw using all physical utilies.
Mending, Stomp, Bull’s Charge, Bolas, Signet of Rage