Guild Wars 2

Well, I’ve been trying this for my PvE warr and it is just wonderfull how I can keep 25 stacks with zero effort, Phalanx + Runes of strength are just too good, the only downside is that it works that well only with GS, you can still do some good stuff with LB though Fire blast (6) + FGJ (6) + Elite Signet (5) in adition with the +30% boon duration from trait line and the +45% might duration from runes all those things give extremely long might stacks

well, whats the general concensus about Phalanx Strenght? to me, it is just so darn good

korelg.7862:

Well, I’ve been trying this for my PvE warr and it is just wonderfull how I can keep 25 stacks with zero effort, Phalanx + Runes of strength are just too good, the only downside is that it works that well only with GS, you can still do some good stuff with LB though Fire blast (6) + FGJ (6) + Elite Signet (5) in adition with the +30% boon duration from trait line and the +45% might duration from runes all those things give extremely long might stacks

well, whats the general concensus about Phalanx Strenght? to me, it is just so darn good

Eles are going to have to change their game for PvE. They’ve have just been re-leaved of their might stacking duties.

It’s tough going 30 into tactics for a PvE build…It’s a good trait in a bad traitline.

Kagamiku.9731:

It’s tough going 30 into tactics for a PvE build…It’s a good trait in a bad traitline.

not really, you get boon duration, strength in numbers(?), improved banners, party might stacking

that means 150*5 power+ 25*4 might stacks worth of power and almost perma banner… overall i’d say it is actually an extremely strong PvE trait lane

It’s a great trait for groups that are not able to stack might properly which probably includes most of the pugs plus most of the groups for high scales fractals.

And the bonus thing is that none of the other builds can stack might as good as phalanx strength warrior underwater.

So you farm hotw nowadays? Not that I would disagree.

korelg.7862:

Kagamiku.9731:

It’s tough going 30 into tactics for a PvE build…It’s a good trait in a bad traitline.

not really, you get boon duration, strength in numbers(?), improved banners, party might stacking

that means 150*5 power+ 25*4 might stacks worth of power and almost perma banner… overall i’d say it is actually an extremely strong PvE trait lane

Any half competent group will have at least 12might stacks up at all times. With sigil of battle and forceful greatsword, I can probably maintain at least that much on my own. I guess it really depends on the group you’re in. The worse your team is, the more potent the trait will become. It’s almost negligible in an experienced group, to Godly in an inexperienced one.

Empower allies and empowered (perma banner not really needed) make up for some of the loss going into that tree, but the strength and arms trees have too much going for them to sacrifice 30 into tactics under most circumstances. You also need to sacrifice scholar runes for rune of strength, which do considerably less damage when the might duration is not taken into account.

Kagamiku.9731:

korelg.7862:

Kagamiku.9731:

It’s tough going 30 into tactics for a PvE build…It’s a good trait in a bad traitline.

not really, you get boon duration, strength in numbers(?), improved banners, party might stacking

that means 150*5 power+ 25*4 might stacks worth of power and almost perma banner… overall i’d say it is actually an extremely strong PvE trait lane

Any half competent group will have at least 12might stacks up at all times. With sigil of battle and forceful greatsword, I can probably maintain at least that much on my own. I guess it really depends on the group you’re in. The worse your team is, the more potent the trait will become. It’s almost negligible in an experienced group, to Godly in an inexperienced one.

Empower allies and empowered (perma banner not really needed) make up for some of the loss going into that tree, but the strength and arms trees have too much going for them to sacrifice 30 into tactics under most circumstances. You also need to sacrifice scholar runes for rune of strength, which do considerably less damage when the might duration is not taken into account.

lol, 12 stacks of might. With Phalanx everyone in your party can have a perma 25 stacks. Guardians don’t have to waste time to empower and Eles don’t have to waste fire fields. 1 warrior doing a little less damage than usual for and entire party to have a much high DPS is well worth the trade off. This trait is really being under estimated.

I said 12 was the bare minimum. An experienced group can have 25 stacks 24/7. And the warrior would be doing much less damage. In some pub groups it might even be better overall dps then the standard build, it just crashes when you’re running with an experienced one.

Kagamiku.9731:

I said 12 was the bare minimum. An experienced group can have 25 stacks 24/7. And the warrior would be doing much less damage. In some pub groups it might even be better overall dps then the standard build, it just crashes when you’re running with an experienced one.

What is involved with an organized group to get 25 stacks? With this trait all you need a is warrior with a gs to attack something. Everyone can be doing pure DPS 100% of the time. I’d have to spend some time going through the numbers but I truly believe that a group built and geared around Phalanx could out DPS the current meta since warrior does only mediocre damage as it is anyways.

Forceful greatsword + warbanner + this trait = 25 perma might stacks

Add in runes of strength and gg

Julie Yann.5379:

Kagamiku.9731:

I said 12 was the bare minimum. An experienced group can have 25 stacks 24/7. And the warrior would be doing much less damage. In some pub groups it might even be better overall dps then the standard build, it just crashes when you’re running with an experienced one.

What is involved with an organized group to get 25 stacks? With this trait all you need a is warrior with a gs to attack something. Everyone can be doing pure DPS 100% of the time. I’d have to spend some time going through the numbers but I truly believe that a group built and geared around Phalanx could out DPS the current meta since warrior does only mediocre damage as it is anyways.

Going 30 deep into tactics really meses up a warriors damage, you cant ignore that. If you run say 4/4/0/6/0 your already about 25% less modifiers then the current meta warrior build. So the damage difference is not :slightly less. And in organizde groups just grab 2 eles, 1 staff 1 S/D and boom, perma 25 might no problem and both those ele builds pump out alot more DPS then a warrior. So no, phalanx strength wouldent be better in meta groups since ele pump out the same ammount of might thanks to the synergy of LH and Staff and the front loaded S/D might, while not sacrificing a lot of DPS unlike the warrior.

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Kagamiku.9731:

I said 12 was the bare minimum. An experienced group can have 25 stacks 24/7. And the warrior would be doing much less damage. In some pub groups it might even be better overall dps then the standard build, it just crashes when you’re running with an experienced one.

What is involved with an organized group to get 25 stacks? With this trait all you need a is warrior with a gs to attack something. Everyone can be doing pure DPS 100% of the time. I’d have to spend some time going through the numbers but I truly believe that a group built and geared around Phalanx could out DPS the current meta since warrior does only mediocre damage as it is anyways.

Going 30 deep into tactics really meses up a warriors damage, you cant ignore that. If you run say 4/4/0/6/0 your already about 25% less modifiers then the current meta warrior build. So the damage difference is not :slightly less. And in organizde groups just grab 2 eles, 1 staff 1 S/D and boom, perma 25 might no problem and both those ele builds pump out alot more DPS then a warrior. So no, phalanx strength wouldent be better in meta groups since ele pump out the same ammount of might thanks to the synergy of LH and Staff and the front loaded S/D might, while not sacrificing a lot of DPS unlike the warrior.

I’m still curious to see the actual numbers. Until I do I remain with the idea that it might be possible to create a party (which doesn’t require 2 specific Eles builds) that is equal to or better than the current meta using this trait.

Yes! 20-25 stacks permanently for the whole team, great trait

Yes. Also had 25 might stacks permanent. 1 single 100b is enough for 25 stacks at a mobgoup.
Tested it with the immobilize at cripple trait & fury at immobilize. That gave me 97% crit chance with banner and perma fury.
I was using 10 30 0 30 0 if I remembered right

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Kagamiku.9731:

I said 12 was the bare minimum. An experienced group can have 25 stacks 24/7. And the warrior would be doing much less damage. In some pub groups it might even be better overall dps then the standard build, it just crashes when you’re running with an experienced one.

What is involved with an organized group to get 25 stacks? With this trait all you need a is warrior with a gs to attack something. Everyone can be doing pure DPS 100% of the time. I’d have to spend some time going through the numbers but I truly believe that a group built and geared around Phalanx could out DPS the current meta since warrior does only mediocre damage as it is anyways.

Going 30 deep into tactics really meses up a warriors damage, you cant ignore that. If you run say 4/4/0/6/0 your already about 25% less modifiers then the current meta warrior build. So the damage difference is not :slightly less. And in organizde groups just grab 2 eles, 1 staff 1 S/D and boom, perma 25 might no problem and both those ele builds pump out alot more DPS then a warrior. So no, phalanx strength wouldent be better in meta groups since ele pump out the same ammount of might thanks to the synergy of LH and Staff and the front loaded S/D might, while not sacrificing a lot of DPS unlike the warrior.

I’m still curious to see the actual numbers. Until I do I remain with the idea that it might be possible to create a party (which doesn’t require 2 specific Eles builds) that is equal to or better than the current meta using this trait.

Those specific ele builds are higher DPS then the warrior build, so even IF the warrior carrying might was optimal you would still run those eles over anything else. And the math behind the warrior isnt to hard to do. Your prolly running 4/4/0/6/0 so your missing the 10% dmg mod from bleeding foes in arms, the 15% mod from full adrenaline in strength, the 3% mod from empty endurance in strength and then the 10% attack speed (8.2% dmg iirc) mod in arms. Thats alot of damage for something another class can do better.

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Kagamiku.9731:

I said 12 was the bare minimum. An experienced group can have 25 stacks 24/7. And the warrior would be doing much less damage. In some pub groups it might even be better overall dps then the standard build, it just crashes when you’re running with an experienced one.

What is involved with an organized group to get 25 stacks? With this trait all you need a is warrior with a gs to attack something. Everyone can be doing pure DPS 100% of the time. I’d have to spend some time going through the numbers but I truly believe that a group built and geared around Phalanx could out DPS the current meta since warrior does only mediocre damage as it is anyways.

Going 30 deep into tactics really meses up a warriors damage, you cant ignore that. If you run say 4/4/0/6/0 your already about 25% less modifiers then the current meta warrior build. So the damage difference is not :slightly less. And in organizde groups just grab 2 eles, 1 staff 1 S/D and boom, perma 25 might no problem and both those ele builds pump out alot more DPS then a warrior. So no, phalanx strength wouldent be better in meta groups since ele pump out the same ammount of might thanks to the synergy of LH and Staff and the front loaded S/D might, while not sacrificing a lot of DPS unlike the warrior.

I’m still curious to see the actual numbers. Until I do I remain with the idea that it might be possible to create a party (which doesn’t require 2 specific Eles builds) that is equal to or better than the current meta using this trait.

Those specific ele builds are higher DPS then the warrior build, so even IF the warrior carrying might was optimal you would still run those eles over anything else. And the math behind the warrior isnt to hard to do. Your prolly running 4/4/0/6/0 so your missing the 10% dmg mod from bleeding foes in arms, the 15% mod from full adrenaline in strength, the 3% mod from empty endurance in strength and then the 10% attack speed (8.2% dmg iirc) mod in arms. Thats alot of damage for something another class can do better.

I wasn’t taking about the math behind the warrior DPS, I know how to do that. I was talking about entire party DPS with different class compositions etc. Even if it isn’t better than the current meta, not every party has those 2 ele builds. Now that we can change our traits on the fly, it really opens up our options for those not so perfect parties.

I was only commenting on this statement: “Until I do I remain with the idea that it might be possible to create a party (which doesn’t require 2 specific Eles builds) that is equal to or better than the current meta using this trait.” Better then current meta implies you have total control over party comp, and phalanx strength will not change this current meta. Since the ele builds are there for DPS and just so happen to also be able to stack crazy might, so phalanx strength means nothing to meta parties. Pug parties or random casual groups are completely different.

Its better than the current meta because it means I don’t have to waist time to find a professional ele to might stack. And even if I find one, theres no garantee it will be a perma 25 stacks of might when other players are not blasting in the fields. In fact chances are it wont be better than my warrior as far as the efficiency of the might stacking.

I can now just throw something together and chances are the DPS will be adequate enough to get though the content with decent random players. So that makes it overall better since now as a warrior I dont have to be so picky with forming a party and I know if I run my build it might just work fine.

25 stacks of might + 150 power is 1025 Power Perma X 5 no ele can do that.

Add a banner of str that is warrior bosting everyones power by 1195 perma

Its a tough thing to argue against to say an ele is better for that specific role.

Also I feel that having 1195 power in some groups that may not otherwise have it without this build it outweighs having to put 30 into tactics.

15% more damage I dont think is more than that.

I guess you didnt read my full comment, let me highlight a peice of it. Better then current meta implies you have total control over party comp, and phalanx strength will not change this current meta. Since the ele builds are there for DPS and just so happen to also be able to stack crazy might, so phalanx strength means nothing to meta parties. im talking about META parties, aka organized groups, where you have control over your comp NOT random pug groups. I do not care about that, and never was discussing it in the first place.

Ya i understand what you said and what I said is basically screw the meta. Its not the only way to go anymore. We have options now. And I think that makes the majority of us happy. If other people want to have their meta go for it the rest of us will just enjoy being able to party with whoever we want and not having perfect partys.

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Kagamiku.9731:

I said 12 was the bare minimum. An experienced group can have 25 stacks 24/7. And the warrior would be doing much less damage. In some pub groups it might even be better overall dps then the standard build, it just crashes when you’re running with an experienced one.

What is involved with an organized group to get 25 stacks? With this trait all you need a is warrior with a gs to attack something. Everyone can be doing pure DPS 100% of the time. I’d have to spend some time going through the numbers but I truly believe that a group built and geared around Phalanx could out DPS the current meta since warrior does only mediocre damage as it is anyways.

Going 30 deep into tactics really meses up a warriors damage, you cant ignore that. If you run say 4/4/0/6/0 your already about 25% less modifiers then the current meta warrior build. So the damage difference is not :slightly less. And in organizde groups just grab 2 eles, 1 staff 1 S/D and boom, perma 25 might no problem and both those ele builds pump out alot more DPS then a warrior. So no, phalanx strength wouldent be better in meta groups since ele pump out the same ammount of might thanks to the synergy of LH and Staff and the front loaded S/D might, while not sacrificing a lot of DPS unlike the warrior.

I’m still curious to see the actual numbers. Until I do I remain with the idea that it might be possible to create a party (which doesn’t require 2 specific Eles builds) that is equal to or better than the current meta using this trait.

Those specific ele builds are higher DPS then the warrior build, so even IF the warrior carrying might was optimal you would still run those eles over anything else. And the math behind the warrior isnt to hard to do. Your prolly running 4/4/0/6/0 so your missing the 10% dmg mod from bleeding foes in arms, the 15% mod from full adrenaline in strength, the 3% mod from empty endurance in strength and then the 10% attack speed (8.2% dmg iirc) mod in arms. Thats alot of damage for something another class can do better.

You’re better off running 0/25/0/30/15. The bleed 10% is better than 10% on GS, 150 fero is better than 200 power, and the weapon swap comes in handy for either LB assist when things get messy/3 might from sigil of battle/DPS with axe when you can slack on might stacking.

And you can stack 25 might perfectly well in most dungeons with scholar + boon duration food, so you don’t need strength runes.

I don’t think it’s a good comparison to compare this build to the meta axe build because you’ll offer to run an empower allies build anyways (0/30/0/20/20 unless I’m out of the loop on this one).

Compared to that, (rough calculations) you lose 10% DPS from dual wielding speed, somewhere around 5% because of axe having higher DPS, and about 10% from 50 less ferocity and less eviscerates. Totals to about 23% less than the axe EA build.

In a perfectly organised group, yeah, not really that useful because the game is still so badly designed for support builds, but a single ele stacks around 15-18 stacks of might in your average semi- organised group (from experience) less if the boss isn’t melted quickly enough. So that’s 7-10 stacks more of might for the whole group, which is 7-10% DPS increase for everyone, outweighing your own loss by far.

And let’s face it, perfectly organised groups are rare, especially for fractals (rubbish rewards), and a good s/d ele that doesn’t die when a boss looks at him is also rare.

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I guess you didnt read my full comment, let me highlight a peice of it. Better then current meta implies you have total control over party comp, and phalanx strength will not change this current meta. Since the ele builds are there for DPS and just so happen to also be able to stack crazy might, so phalanx strength means nothing to meta parties. im talking about META parties, aka organized groups, where you have control over your comp NOT random pug groups. I do not care about that, and never was discussing it in the first place.

I get that. My method of thinking is “simpler is better”. The more complicated it gets, the more things that can go wrong and takes more time to assemble. 1 guy (doesn’t even need great skills,) passively pumping out 25 stacks of might seems like a more reliable choice over 2 good eles and a party capable of blasting. The time saved putting the party together (since it is not as restrictive) outweighs the time lost due to 1 warriors lower DPS.

Im talking about this from an organized guilds perspective, basicly the meta runs. you know the thing you talked about before? The time saved putting the party together (since it is not as restrictive) outweighs the time lost due to 1 warriors lower DPS. is a moot point. The time is exactly the same since the people i group with are “skilled” (if you can call it that) enough to be able toe xecute a simple might stack combo.

And even if for some reason none of the people in my group can play ele its still much better to run meta DPS builds, and just drop a fire field and use all the blasts across the different classes/banners to reach 25 might. Since the end result is 25 might for 20 seconds and the warrior doesnt lose alot of DPS specing deep in a dumb line.

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Im talking about this from an organized guilds perspective, basicly the meta runs. you know the thing you talked about before? The time saved putting the party together (since it is not as restrictive) outweighs the time lost due to 1 warriors lower DPS. is a moot point. The time is exactly the same since the people i group with are “skilled” (if you can call it that) enough to be able toe xecute a simple might stack combo.

And even if for some reason none of the people in my group can play ele its still much better to run meta DPS builds, and just drop a fire field and use all the blasts across the different classes/banners to reach 25 might. Since the end result is 25 might for 20 seconds and the warrior doesnt lose alot of DPS specing deep in a dumb line.

Then what happens when 20 seconds runs out? Happens in a lot of bosses outside of the faceroll dungeon set.

After you FGJ, you need to hit a fire field 8 times with everyone around it. With no ele around that can be pretty awkward in a lot of fights even for an organised group.

Not to mention for other problems like for example, on a GS/sf guardian metabuild, without picking up banners and doing that annoying slamming animation, you got 1 blast finisher on a 45 sec CD, which is actually a skill you would also want to use normally.

No ele around in an organized group? I think not.

Molch.2078:

No ele around in an organized group? I think not.

I was arguing against his assumption of no ele in an organised group.

But I think we’re all quite sure that this trait is moot in a perfectly organised group. But the reality is that those are pretty rare.

Also, I think we’re only considering half the argument anyways, because as you’ve all noticed, Anet pretty much doesn’t do instanced content anymore.

In a lot of LS content (more if they ever make structures crittable), you’re looking at the very definition of a pug, and yet the content has hard DPS checks.

Guess what guys? we dont care. Nothing you can say is going to make us think Phalanx might stacking isnt great. And so far I have seen no real numbers or tests to state that the meta is better. I have also seen no proof at all that a warriors own personal DPS carrys the party more than increasing everyone else to an insane number. I am pretty sure its not. And even if so we don’t care because we dont need eles anymore.

Warlord.9074:

Guess what guys? we dont care. Nothing you can say is going to make us think Phalanx might stacking isnt great. And so far I have seen no real numbers or tests to state that the meta is better. I have also seen no proof at all that a warriors own personal DPS carrys the party more than increasing everyone else to an insane number. I am pretty sure its not. And even if so we don’t care because we dont need eles anymore.

Well, the numbers are in a perfectly organised group you’re taking a 20 odd % DPS loss personally to stack 25 might, whilst eles take next to 0. In a perfectly organised group.

(whether that’s good game design is a different argument)

But we know how organised pugs are and I think most if us will mostly do stuff inside pugs. Being in a guild doesn’t help, and tends to makes it even worse fit efficiency, because you can’t just kick your guildies from a party or refuse them entry.

its 25 might + 150 Power…. Its more like 29 might. Plus perma banner as banner cool down reduce.

I am not going to debate % of a damage increase but even if its 20% less I think that the amount of DPS a warrior can increase the other players damage by turns out to be overall more than 20% personal DPS.

Loses up to 40% personal damage compared to an ele.
Provides 7 more stacks of might, all might with ~20% higher uptime and less (no) chance for failure (fire fields being covered by light fields, etc). Also brings Empower Allies and permanent Banners. Overall, an ele is somewhat better in an organized group on TS that doesn’t mess up. A PS warriors is A LOT better in any unorganized group or for fractal runs, let alone HotW.

The argument is really that in a perfectly set up group, the extra stacks doesn’t help since you’re already on max might stacks, so all you’re doing is just losing DPS. You can replace the ele in a perfect group but they can do the same thing as you can (as long as other players co-ordinates) without losing DPS.

Personally, I think the way support is set up is a massive design flaw, and how everything is capped is a problem, and a major contributing factor to why we all use the same builds in PvE, but that’s a different argument I guess.

Dub.1273:

Loses up to 40% personal damage compared to an ele.
Provides 7 more stacks of might, all might with ~20% higher uptime and less (no) chance for failure (fire fields being covered by light fields, etc). Also brings Empower Allies and permanent Banners. Overall, an ele is somewhat better in an organized group on TS that doesn’t mess up. A PS warriors is A LOT better in any unorganized group or for fractal runs, let alone HotW.

You really aren’t losing 40% DPS. You’re losing something like that off the DPS meta build, but you’d have at least 1 warrior run an EA build in an optimised party anyways.

Dub.1273:

Loses up to 40% personal damage compared to an ele.
Provides 7 more stacks of might, all might with ~20% higher uptime and less (no) chance for failure (fire fields being covered by light fields, etc). Also brings Empower Allies and permanent Banners. Overall, an ele is somewhat better in an organized group on TS that doesn’t mess up. A PS warriors is A LOT better in any unorganized group or for fractal runs, let alone HotW.

This is a flat out wrong mate. please explain how. 30/25/0/0/15 is 40% more damage than 0/25/0/30/15

If it provides 7 more stacks of might +150 than this build has 95 more power than the meta build and 25% less weapon modifiers. By your calculations.

Warlord.9074:

Dub.1273:

Loses up to 40% personal damage compared to an ele.
Provides 7 more stacks of might, all might with ~20% higher uptime and less (no) chance for failure (fire fields being covered by light fields, etc). Also brings Empower Allies and permanent Banners. Overall, an ele is somewhat better in an organized group on TS that doesn’t mess up. A PS warriors is A LOT better in any unorganized group or for fractal runs, let alone HotW.

This is a flat out wrong mate. please explain how. 30/25/0/0/15 is 40% more damage than 0/25/0/30/15

If it provides 7 more stacks of might +150 than this build has 95 more power than the meta build and 25% less weapon modifiers. By your calculations.

The new meta is 30/30/0/0/10 or 30/30/0/10/0, no weapon switching, depending on boons. In a perfect party with 25 might (cos eles don’t lose DPS in a co-ordinated group to stack might), you lose 150 power (30 in strength – EA) = roughly 5%, 15% from berserker’s power, 10% from dual wield speed trait, 5% from dual wielding, 10% from the axe critical trait, and 5% or so from axe having higher DPS. Totals to about 50%.

Using the second option for ease of comparison, you offset that by a 10% gain in crit damage because of 15 in discipline. Thus 40% DPS loss for yourself.

Ignoring multiplicative effects, which reduces the loss by a bit. Don’t have acalcukator nearby

We assume 100 crit chance, and ignore the 3% from low endurance because it’s rather questionable if you would waste a dodge for 3% when that dodge can mean life or death.

But again, perfect party needed. Rare stuff. Oh, and someone needs to run an EA build anyways, so you might not use the DPS meta build.

^ let us know when this happens in reality mate. I also don’t think that is the new meta, its a new build but hasn’t proven to be the new meta build yet just a new build. You want to know why? Because we did the math already and you have to attack something a very long time before it gives you an extra hit. And now eapon swaping in that scenaio means less DPS. We debated that 30/30 build on here for like as long as we knew about the new trait and we already said that its not the new meta. and its less DPS.

It doesn’t matter. Axe’s raw damage pretty much purely comes from its auto attack, so that extra hit still means 10% more DPS.

The idea is that you don’t weapon swap.

And it’s been proven. I’d link you to Nike’s thread/video but I can’t link stuff on my phone.

Xae Isareth.1364:

It doesn’t matter. Axe’s raw damage pretty much purely comes from its auto attack, so that extra hit still means 10% more DPS.

The idea is that you don’t weapon swap.

And it’s been proven. I’d link you to Nike’s thread/video but I can’t link stuff on my phone.

Id like to see the thread later. That shows this new build out DPS the old one.

BTW I have watched NIKE before and listened to stuff he says. Everything this guys says is based on his guild runs, where he plays with people he knows that are good. If your dungeon runs are not just like NIKEs you can throw half the things he says out the window. I know I do. Because I dont have a PVE guild to run with or a bunch of PVE friends that can for optimal perfect groups where everything nike says works like he says it does as it exists inside a vacuum chamber.

so, th general concensus is:

In a perfect world Phalanx isn’t optimal, but since we don’t play in a perfect world it actually is a good trait, maybe it doesn’t beat the meta DPS build but it is indeed an equally good option… we finally can say that warrior has now not only one meta build, which makes me quite happy

now, if only other classes were in the same spot…

I tested 0/25/0/30/15 GS/axe+mace build with str runes and sigil in a couple of PUG “zerker” CoF runs and compared to 30/25/0/0/15 old meta build. I must say with phalanx, bosses died way much faster. Perma 25 might stacks are really awesome.

And Xae why do you compare this build to the meta build? Compare it to the EA build as 1 warrior must run EA thats 20 points into tactics line. Compare to that build the dps loss. So when I dont have ele in my party, or he is using a staff, Im always using phalanx build and it is much better for the whole party.

I also play a lot with my zerker ele, 30/30/10/0/0 spec, and I cant maintain 25 might stacks alone….

korelg.7862:

so, th general concensus is:

In a perfect world Phalanx isn’t optimal, but since we don’t play in a perfect world it actually is a good trait, maybe it doesn’t beat the meta DPS build but it is indeed an equally good option… we finally can say that warrior has now not only one meta build, which makes me quite happy

now, if only other classes were in the same spot…

this build only useful in pve

for spvp/wvw its useless unless u just wana troll and go for might deliver ur team…

Xae Isareth.1364:

Dub.1273:

Loses up to 40% personal damage compared to an ele.
Provides 7 more stacks of might, all might with ~20% higher uptime and less (no) chance for failure (fire fields being covered by light fields, etc). Also brings Empower Allies and permanent Banners. Overall, an ele is somewhat better in an organized group on TS that doesn’t mess up. A PS warriors is A LOT better in any unorganized group or for fractal runs, let alone HotW.

You really aren’t losing 40% DPS. You’re losing something like that off the DPS meta build, but you’d have at least 1 warrior run an EA build in an optimised party anyways.

An ele has already higher dps than a warrior.

To anyone saying that organized teams won’t use that trait because eles are better suited for might stacking – I would like to see how eles might stack correctly during encounters like 2nd archdiviner in 2nd phase when most often those teams use a hammer guardian which only makes blasting harder than it already is because of rather fast attacks of that boss. Instead, you can change your build to phalanx since it’s now relatively fast to do and change your ele to a staff or dagger builds which both have higher damage potential and are more safer to play while bringing more utility.

Ye fractals are the one time where ele stacking might becomes problematic, not going to deny that. Along with the fact that you want 2 eles optimally to maintain that 25might (or else you will run out of might after 20seconds or 30seconds depedning on runes) But like in any regular dungeons you dont run out of might if you just bring 1 staff ele and 1 LH ele due to how they complement each other, so phalanx warrior there is kinda moot due to the LH ele constnalty blasting the might field. Of course this doesnt work in PUGS since.. what are the odds to get 2 complementing ele builds. but i was only commenting to talk about this new phalanx strength changing the meta.. which is quite untrue, i litteraly see no point in running it in organied meta groups in dungeons like CoE/TA/SE/Arah etc…

In a perfectly organised group.

I think this is where the real problem is occuring. People seem to be under the assumption that perfectly organized parties are easy to come by. Aside from that, it also seems that perfectly organized parties are really less useful in most of the recent content.

I’m not sure how well an ele can stack might while doing the Teq event, but I know that I can keep up huge amounts of might on people.

I have limited experience playing an ele though, so maybe they can keep up all those might stacks on people around them with ease.

in zergs and world events its almost impossible to stack might as ele because there is many aoe fields other than fire… but then again, you cannot crit TEQ, so no might stacks from that either…

Hello everyone, I’ve read your whole discussion with a lot of interest. Is it possible for one of you to post a sample of this build ? I’m relatively new to the warrior profession, and I don’t know well how to optimize this build (0/4/0/6/0, but after that ?).

I’ve also read someone saying that is absolutely not useful in WvW, why so ? Isn’t it any condition in which it could be useful ?

Thanks a lot for your replies

PacH.9283:

Hello everyone, I’ve read your whole discussion with a lot of interest. Is it possible for one of you to post a sample of this build ? I’m relatively new to the warrior profession, and I don’t know well how to optimize this build (0/4/0/6/0, but after that ?).

I’ve also read someone saying that is absolutely not useful in WvW, why so ? Isn’t it any condition in which it could be useful ?

Thanks a lot for your replies

i would go 5 in arms for attack of opportunity and 3 in fast hands. as for discipline traits you have many options. warrior’s sprint for faster run speed or signet mastery for reduced cd on signets. etc.

you can also choose mighty defense trait and use shield on other weapon set (block with shield 5 on those COF flamethrower mob and witness the might counts shot through the roof )

Warlord.9074:

Xae Isareth.1364:

It doesn’t matter. Axe’s raw damage pretty much purely comes from its auto attack, so that extra hit still means 10% more DPS.

The idea is that you don’t weapon swap.

And it’s been proven. I’d link you to Nike’s thread/video but I can’t link stuff on my phone.

Id like to see the thread later. That shows this new build out DPS the old one.

BTW I have watched NIKE before and listened to stuff he says. Everything this guys says is based on his guild runs, where he plays with people he knows that are good. If your dungeon runs are not just like NIKEs you can throw half the things he says out the window. I know I do. Because I dont have a PVE guild to run with or a bunch of PVE friends that can for optimal perfect groups where everything nike says works like he says it does as it exists inside a vacuum chamber.

That’s the point we’ve been making. If you’re in a perfect party, don’t bother with Phalanx, if you’re not, it’s a good trait.

Delay.6908:

Ye fractals are the one time where ele stacking might becomes problematic, not going to deny that. Along with the fact that you want 2 eles optimally to maintain that 25might (or else you will run out of might after 20seconds or 30seconds depedning on runes) But like in any regular dungeons you dont run out of might if you just bring 1 staff ele and 1 LH ele due to how they complement each other, so phalanx warrior there is kinda moot due to the LH ele constnalty blasting the might field. Of course this doesnt work in PUGS since.. what are the odds to get 2 complementing ele builds. but i was only commenting to talk about this new phalanx strength changing the meta.. which is quite untrue, i litteraly see no point in running it in organied meta groups in dungeons like CoE/TA/SE/Arah etc…

The eles can just change builds to compliment each other. But that’s not the problem in pugs. The problem is that often they won’t know what to do, and that LH eles (and eles in general) drop like flies if they get hit.

Arah is a perfect example of this. If your ele can stay melee range at Lupi, great. If they can’t, it’s either dead ele or the ele screwing it up for everyone else by going ranged.

It also depends on what you mean by meta. The pug meta is still really 1 mes 4 warr and maybe a guardian, because it is just simply the most guaranteed way to get through a dungeon relatively fast.

GSSBlunaspike.4153:

In a perfectly organised group.

I think this is where the real problem is occuring. People seem to be under the assumption that perfectly organized parties are easy to come by. Aside from that, it also seems that perfectly organized parties are really less useful in most of the recent content.

I’m not sure how well an ele can stack might while doing the Teq event, but I know that I can keep up huge amounts of might on people.

I have limited experience playing an ele though, so maybe they can keep up all those might stacks on people around them with ease.

Not very well. Too many other fields around, guardians fir a start automatically drop light fields because it’s a fixed trait, and WoRs are gonna be everywhere in Teq.

GS can’t stack might either but what you can do until Anet wakes up and fixes world bosses so they can be critted is have a guardian cast empower on you, then PS should mirror that to everyone around you.

I’ve never tried the following but if it then affects another warrior with PS, that warrior should mirror it again to everyone around him as well, so you can probably set up a chain reaction to keep the entire zerg mighted.

Someone needs to go and try that, if it works then there’s something else you can do with the trait that would be hilarious in WvW.