Guild Wars 2

I’m going to propose this question here becasue ANET doesnt read the other forums obviously.

There are multiple threads in the warrior section and the spvp section explaining why this balance patch did not help warriors. Some of the so called buffs are not helpful becasue they are flawed “cleasinf ire” for example.

It is not a buff or a fix if its a nerf is more damaging than the amount any fixes or buffs that could cure the nerf. Then pile on a bunch of buffs for other professions that don’t need buffed.

http://sittingonacouch.com/guild-wars-2-warrior-podcast-adrenaline-rising-episode-3/

This Podcast Explains exactly what is wrong with cleansing ire, it won’t help us at all. Its basicly what other classes get, except a lot harder to use since its based directly on our F mechanic. Which can be avoided easy by what we are weakest again: Immobilize, Cripple, Chill, Blind.

If you stand outside CoF for half an hour you’ll see the nerf is warranted.

darkace.8925:

If you stand outside CoF for half an hour you’ll see the nerf is warranted.

Nerfing a class to fix a flawed dungeon design.

BRILLIANT.

i dont know what are you talking about

Serophous.9085:

darkace.8925:

If you stand outside CoF for half an hour you’ll see the nerf is warranted.

Nerfing a class to fix a flawed dungeon design.

BRILLIANT.

It’s not just the dungeon (though that could certainly use some work), it’s the build. If someone asks “what build should I run for PvE?” and there’s one universal answer then the build is probably in need of a nerf. That you can’t admit this doesn’t change the fact that the build is a no-brainer for PvE, and no-brainers are usually no-brainers for a reason.

Idk why people have to constantly bring up CoF. It’s a piece of cake for any profession specced for offense. Other professions with zerker gear are somewhat rare and this is why warriors are so favored. Try a group of warriors with PVT gear and you’ll see how “fast” they are.

darkace.8925:

Serophous.9085:

darkace.8925:

If you stand outside CoF for half an hour you’ll see the nerf is warranted.

Nerfing a class to fix a flawed dungeon design.

BRILLIANT.

It’s not just the dungeon (though that could certainly use some work), it’s the build. If someone asks “what build should I run for PvE?” and there’s one universal answer then the build is probably in need of a nerf. That you can’t admit this doesn’t change the fact that the build is a no-brainer for PvE, and no-brainers are usually no-brainers for a reason.

Welp, if the patch notes are true then, get rdy for LF4M zerk guardians

Warlord.9074:

I’m going to propose this question here becasue ANET doesnt read the other forums obviously.

There are multiple threads in the warrior section and the spvp section explaining why this balance patch did not help warriors. Some of the so called buffs are not helpful becasue they are flawed “cleasinf ire” for example.

It is not a buff or a fix if its a nerf is more damaging than the amount any fixes or buffs that could cure the nerf. Then pile on a bunch of buffs for other professions that don’t need buffed.

Please explain why Cleansing Ire, one of the most powerful active condition removal traits in the game, let alone this patch, is “flawed” and “not helpful”.

I’m running it. xD IDK about you guys.

SharadSun.3089:

Warlord.9074:

I’m going to propose this question here becasue ANET doesnt read the other forums obviously.

There are multiple threads in the warrior section and the spvp section explaining why this balance patch did not help warriors. Some of the so called buffs are not helpful becasue they are flawed “cleasinf ire” for example.

It is not a buff or a fix if its a nerf is more damaging than the amount any fixes or buffs that could cure the nerf. Then pile on a bunch of buffs for other professions that don’t need buffed.

Please explain why Cleansing Ire, one of the most powerful active condition removal traits in the game, let alone this patch, is “flawed” and “not helpful”.

I’m running it. xD IDK about you guys.

Because it clears conditions on bars spent. If you are blinded for example the burst skill will miss thus it doesn’t help you. If you are shut down in mid burst or somthing again it doesnt help you. Also if far from one of the most powerful.

Warlord.9074:

Because it clears conditions on bars spent. If you are blinded for example the burst skill will miss thus it doesn’t help you. If you are shut down in mid burst or somthing again it doesnt help you. Also if far from one of the most powerful.

That sounds like a learn2play problem. If you don’t want to waste your burst to remove Blind, blow something else first then use the burst to get rid of the remaining conditions (if any).

“We’re tying our survivability.. condition wise, to being able to land hits. However at the same time we talked consistently as to how its difficult to land hits compared to other classes who can spam aoes.”

Sorry its not a learn to play problem, its a warrior problem. We have problems with being locked down, and Cleansing Ire only helps us when we don’t need it.

How can I get my burst off if i’m blinded/immobilized/chilled/crippled… ?

Daecollo.9578:

“We’re tying our survivability.. condition wise, to being able to land hits. However at the same time we talked consistently as to how its difficult to land hits compared to other classes who can spam aoes.”

Sorry its not a learn to play problem, its a warrior problem. We have problems with being locked down, and Cleansing Ire only helps us when we don’t need it.

How can I get my burst off if i’m blinded/immobilized/chilled/crippled… ?

Mending
“Shake It Off!”
Signet of Stamina
Dolyak Signet
Balanced Stance
Last Stand
Restorative Strength
Dogged March
And last but not least: dodge the attack that inflicts blind/immobilize/chill/cripple/etc.

The tools are there even if you choose not to use them. When you stack your utility bar with nothing but offensive skills in the pursuit of the almighty dps you’re leaving yourself open to crowd control and condition damage. You’re making a conscious decision to sacrifice balance in the name of offense.

It’s no different than a full ‘zerker warrior complaining that warriors don’t have enough defense. If a dead warrior inflicts no damage, a cc’d warrior lands no blows. If you’re having trouble staying alive trade in some of that berserker’s gear for knight’s or soldier’s. If you’re having trouble hitting your opponents trade in some of those offensive utility skills for condition removal or stability.

darkace.8925:

Daecollo.9578:

“We’re tying our survivability.. condition wise, to being able to land hits. However at the same time we talked consistently as to how its difficult to land hits compared to other classes who can spam aoes.”

Sorry its not a learn to play problem, its a warrior problem. We have problems with being locked down, and Cleansing Ire only helps us when we don’t need it.

How can I get my burst off if i’m blinded/immobilized/chilled/crippled… ?

Mending
“Shake It Off!”
Signet of Stamina
Dolyak Signet
Balanced Stance
Last Stand
Restorative Strength
Dogged March
And last but not least: dodge the attack that inflicts blind/immobilize/chill/cripple/etc.

The tools are there even if you choose not to use them. When you stack your utility bar with nothing but offensive skills in the pursuit of the almighty dps you’re leaving yourself open to crowd control and condition damage. You’re making a conscious decision to sacrifice balance in the name of offense.

It’s no different than a full ‘zerker warrior complaining that warriors don’t have enough defense. If a dead warrior inflicts no damage, a cc’d warrior lands no blows. If you’re having trouble staying alive trade in some of that berserker’s gear for knight’s or soldier’s. If you’re having trouble hitting your opponents trade in some of those offensive utility skills for condition removal or stability.

Black Powder/Well of Darkness and some others immediately reapply as long as you are in the area. None of those matter.

Those won’t help us against constant condition pressure that these classes bring, ok I cured blind, now im crippled and immobilized. What do I do now? 30 seconds until I can use those again.

Your not facing the big picture your only looking at the small one.

They wanted to make it as counter-intuitive as possible, just like all our other traits and skills. We got buffs to skills that nobody uses and nerfs to staple warrior builds, making the skills nobody uses sub-par instead of terrible and the good skills below average instead of average.

Daecollo.9578:

Black Powder/Well of Darkness and some others immediately reapply as long as you are in the area. None of those matter.

A wise man once said, “don’t stand in the fire.”

darkace.8925:

Daecollo.9578:

Black Powder/Well of Darkness and some others immediately reapply as long as you are in the area. None of those matter.

A wise man once said, “don’t stand in the fire.”

And now we can’t do anything but stand and take damage. We’re warriors. Please think about this for a second.

I’m not a necromancer and engineer who can stand back and deal all my damage.

Sorry, but I don’t think I can be effective and use all of those tools.

Why should I have to rely on gimmicks and timing when other classes have it on cruise control?

darkace.8925:

Daecollo.9578:

Black Powder/Well of Darkness and some others immediately reapply as long as you are in the area. None of those matter.

A wise man once said, “don’t stand in the fire.”

What? lol

What class do you play exactly?

Ashanor.5319:

darkace.8925:

Daecollo.9578:

Black Powder/Well of Darkness and some others immediately reapply as long as you are in the area. None of those matter.

A wise man once said, “don’t stand in the fire.”

What? lol

What class do you play exactly?

https://forum-en.gw2archive.eu/forum/game/gw2/steal-a-skill

Looks like he plays a Guardian. Probably a Ranger or Engineer too.

AlBundy.7851:

SharadSun.3089:

Warlord.9074:

I’m going to propose this question here becasue ANET doesnt read the other forums obviously.

There are multiple threads in the warrior section and the spvp section explaining why this balance patch did not help warriors. Some of the so called buffs are not helpful becasue they are flawed “cleasinf ire” for example.

It is not a buff or a fix if its a nerf is more damaging than the amount any fixes or buffs that could cure the nerf. Then pile on a bunch of buffs for other professions that don’t need buffed.

Please explain why Cleansing Ire, one of the most powerful active condition removal traits in the game, let alone this patch, is “flawed” and “not helpful”.

I’m running it. xD IDK about you guys.

Can you go back to whatever chit class you were playing before or actually learn the basic warrior mechanics before you post please.

You know, mindlessly flinging insults helps nobody. =p

Anyways: With Cleansing Ire, we have the CAPACITY to remove up to 6 conditions every 8-10 seconds. That is HUGE. That is more than any Ranger can lay claim to.

And with Runes of Lyssa and/or Signet of Renewal and/or Berserker’s Stance, we gain even more condition parity. I can actually play Axe/Hammer Valk without worrying about being kited (much)

Daecollo.9578:

Ashanor.5319:

What? lol

What class do you play exactly?

https://forum-en.gw2archive.eu/forum/game/gw2/steal-a-skill

Looks like he plays a Guardian. Probably a Ranger or Engineer too.

And warrior. And elementalist. And thief. Your point?

darkace.8925:

Daecollo.9578:

Ashanor.5319:

What? lol

What class do you play exactly?

https://forum-en.gw2archive.eu/forum/game/gw2/steal-a-skill

Looks like he plays a Guardian. Probably a Ranger or Engineer too.

And warrior. And elementalist. And thief. Your point?

It means your not focused on what your saying, Warriors can’t leave because if we leave we make the fight last longer, the longer the fight the worst we are because we lack sustain and attrition.

The Cleansing Ire trait is really going to shine with Longbow and Sword Burst skills especially. It’s difficult to land Bursts and activate Cleansing Ire if all you’re going to run is melee weapons. Having no ranged capability, Or at least one mobility weapon gimps you really hard, it will not matter how much sustain or healing you have.

If Cleansing Ire removed conditions before the Burst skill landed There would be no counter play against the trait at all Earthshaker would land no matter how good a necro places their wells. That isn’t balanced at all. Flurry and Combustive Shot are excellent burst skills for this trait because of the multiple chances to get a hit off, and Combustive Shot will cleanse no matter what. Perhaps if the other bursts we have available were spread out onto multiple hits it would be better in general for this trait, but I don’t want to see these forums after Eviscerate is changed to multiple, lower damage hits.

Zagerus.8675:

The Cleansing Ire trait is really going to shine with Longbow and Sword Burst skills especially. It’s difficult to land Bursts and activate Cleansing Ire if all you’re going to run is melee weapons. Having no ranged capability, Or at least one mobility weapon gimps you really hard, it will not matter how much sustain or healing you have.

If Cleansing Ire removed conditions before the Burst skill landed There would be no counter play against the trait at all Earthshaker would land no matter how good a necro places their wells. That isn’t balanced at all. Flurry and Combustive Shot are excellent burst skills for this trait because of the multiple chances to get a hit off, and Combustive Shot will cleanse no matter what. Perhaps if the other bursts we have available were spread out onto multiple hits it would be better in general for this trait, but I don’t want to see these forums after Eviscerate is changed to multiple, lower damage hits.

I guess Ranger, Guardian, Elementalist, Necromancer are simply not balanced then, no counterplay.

Zagerus.8675:

The Cleansing Ire trait is really going to shine with Longbow and Sword Burst skills especially. It’s difficult to land Bursts and activate Cleansing Ire if all you’re going to run is melee weapons. Having no ranged capability, Or at least one mobility weapon gimps you really hard, it will not matter how much sustain or healing you have.

If Cleansing Ire removed conditions before the Burst skill landed There would be no counter play against the trait at all Earthshaker would land no matter how good a necro places their wells. That isn’t balanced at all. Flurry and Combustive Shot are excellent burst skills for this trait because of the multiple chances to get a hit off, and Combustive Shot will cleanse no matter what. Perhaps if the other bursts we have available were spread out onto multiple hits it would be better in general for this trait, but I don’t want to see these forums after Eviscerate is changed to multiple, lower damage hits.

Warhorn daze. Fear. There would still be plenty of counters. I know this and I don’t even play necro.

Jonwar.9205:

Zagerus.8675:

The Cleansing Ire trait is really going to shine with Longbow and Sword Burst skills especially. It’s difficult to land Bursts and activate Cleansing Ire if all you’re going to run is melee weapons. Having no ranged capability, Or at least one mobility weapon gimps you really hard, it will not matter how much sustain or healing you have.

If Cleansing Ire removed conditions before the Burst skill landed There would be no counter play against the trait at all Earthshaker would land no matter how good a necro places their wells. That isn’t balanced at all. Flurry and Combustive Shot are excellent burst skills for this trait because of the multiple chances to get a hit off, and Combustive Shot will cleanse no matter what. Perhaps if the other bursts we have available were spread out onto multiple hits it would be better in general for this trait, but I don’t want to see these forums after Eviscerate is changed to multiple, lower damage hits.

Warhorn daze. Fear. There would still be plenty of counters. I know this and I don’t even play necro.

And while those are on recharge he needs those chills/blinds/cripples/bleeds, which if Cleansing Ire removed before bursts would mean nothing basically. Over time the warrior would always win in that scenario. Sword almost guarantee’s the cleanse and Longbow bursts do guarantee it. It’s insane to want ES and Eviscerate to always land without fear of those conditions having a chance at countering them.*

Firstly, it would have to remove the condition either on use, or before hit. Either has a counter condition wise as well. If it removed before hit then chill/cripple could be used to kite. If it removed on use blinds could still be used on the 10 minute windup attached to all warrior burst skills. Not to mention they’re pretty much the easiest skills to dodge in the game.

darkace.8925:

Daecollo.9578:

Black Powder/Well of Darkness and some others immediately reapply as long as you are in the area. None of those matter.

A wise man once said, “don’t stand in the fire.”

Yeah, if you’re standing in any of those for the duration you’re a total idiot.

Post some vids after the patch please

SharadSun.3089:

But no, we need to be pidgeonholed into a glassy, Adrenaline-hoarding, mouthbreathing facerolling playstyle which totally sucks the life out of this game, don’t we? If the Warrior forums say so.

The people in this thread will whine and cry about how underpowered Warrior is until such time as they’re given a God Mode trait that allows them to win every encounter without expending an ounce of effort. It’s nothing but “I run a bad build, and I play it poorly to boot. But every single time I’m killed it’s because this profession is poorly balanced!”

Red Raven.7824:

darkace.8925:

Daecollo.9578:

Black Powder/Well of Darkness and some others immediately reapply as long as you are in the area. None of those matter.

A wise man once said, “don’t stand in the fire.”

Yeah, if you’re standing in any of those for the duration you’re a total idiot.

I’m glad someone realizes standing in lingering aoe is a learn2play problem, not a “warrior is underpowered” problem.

/tips hat

Be careful Albundy, he will probably report you. better cross out some of those words and replace with kitten

They screwed the warrior so bad…. Embrace Pain taken away from traits? That skill only blocked Physical attacks for 5 seconds you were not invulnerable to condition damage. Why take it away? Berserker’s Power and Heightened Focus in Grandmaster Trait? WHY? Why not just leave it as it is or just lower the % from it rather than changing it into the Grandmaster Trait and adding a tinny bit of damage % to it. The one thing warriors were good at and they have just taken it away in my opinion. I don’t know about you guys but they kittened us up. Guardians? NO nerf they made them better adding damage to them! Mesmers made them more OP than they were before. The only class they kittened up was warrior, they should just change it back they were balanced as they were in fact they were the most balanced class until tomorrow. Yes I am kittening about this because what they did was stupid. But A-net wont listen to the community they never do.

darkace.8925:

Red Raven.7824:

darkace.8925:

Daecollo.9578:

Black Powder/Well of Darkness and some others immediately reapply as long as you are in the area. None of those matter.

A wise man once said, “don’t stand in the fire.”

Yeah, if you’re standing in any of those for the duration you’re a total idiot.

I’m glad someone realizes standing in lingering aoe is a learn2play problem, not a “warrior is underpowered” problem.

/tips hat

The thing is, even the highest-ranked teams in the global PvP scene have already called out against the mindless prevalence of AoE in this game xD and with that volume of AoE sustain (which this game wasn’t balanced around), Warriors do have very little defense.

With the new cleanse traits/skills we have access to though, we’ll be on a level playing field.

Yeah ma bad sorry lol ;p Just annoyed with this stuff wasn’t paying attention.

All that gold and time wasted on my warrior and getting him Commander Tag for W3, now I have to re-do him again. The least they could have done is make Commander Tag account bound not character….bah god I hate how they are telling us how to play our class while we are earning them money. Oh well every MMO is like this.

darkace.8925:

SharadSun.3089:

But no, we need to be pidgeonholed into a glassy, Adrenaline-hoarding, mouthbreathing facerolling playstyle which totally sucks the life out of this game, don’t we? If the Warrior forums say so.

The people in this thread will whine and cry about how underpowered Warrior is until such time as they’re given a God Mode trait that allows them to win every encounter without expending an ounce of effort. It’s nothing but “I run a bad build, and I play it poorly to boot. But every single time I’m killed it’s because this profession is poorly balanced!”

More like in team fights I’m a big fat liability and die too fast or I’m just sitting in the backline being useless useless I’m pigeon holed into using a bow. Why play a warrior when I can play a guardian and make my team godlike with every single buff in the game, or a thief that can snipe people and lose aggro whenever I feel like it and escape any disadvantageous fights at will.

You want to play a warrior, you better make sure your team baby sits you so you don’t fall over and die.

Daecollo.9578:

http://sittingonacouch.com/guild-wars-2-warrior-podcast-adrenaline-rising-episode-3/

This Podcast Explains exactly what is wrong with cleansing ire, it won’t help us at all. Its basicly what other classes get, except a lot harder to use since its based directly on our F mechanic. Which can be avoided easy by what we are weakest again: Immobilize, Cripple, Chill, Blind.

If you are having trouble with Chill, Criple, and Immobilize then you should try Dogged March + Melandru Runes (+food for WvW) and/or Mobile Strikes.

If you are having trouble landing your Burst skill then try pulling their dodges before hitting F1.

I personally am really looking forward to the patch.

darkace.8925:

If you stand outside CoF for half an hour you’ll see the nerf is warranted.

So let me get this straight..you think the nerf is warranted because your class couldn’t get in a cof p1 farming group? I have an idea..why not form your own group with no wars or mesmers?

That is the stupidest reason I have ever heard to nerf the warrior.

Drek Thalon.5490:

Daecollo.9578:

http://sittingonacouch.com/guild-wars-2-warrior-podcast-adrenaline-rising-episode-3/

This Podcast Explains exactly what is wrong with cleansing ire, it won’t help us at all. Its basicly what other classes get, except a lot harder to use since its based directly on our F mechanic. Which can be avoided easy by what we are weakest again: Immobilize, Cripple, Chill, Blind.

If you are having trouble with Chill, Criple, and Immobilize then you should try Dogged March + Melandru Runes (+food for WvW) and/or Mobile Strikes.

If you are having trouble landing your Burst skill then try pulling their dodges before hitting F1.

I personally am really looking forward to the patch.

See..the problem is we have to compromise a lot to overcome movement imapairment. We have to sacrifice our whole rune set as well as a minor trait or major trait (dogged march or Mobile strikes). You have to build your build to get it.

Let us look at the other classes and if they have problems with movement impairment in sPvP where balance is build around:

-Thieves and mesmers: Shadowstep, stealth and teleport bypasses any movement impairment as well as CC
-Necros: Superior condition removal/transfer on weapon skills and their heal which removes every condition. They are ranged. They don’t need to chase a target.
-Engys: Ranged, can pull the target towards them.
-Rangers:Ranged, BM has a 1100 range leap, pet is always on you, its hard to movement imapir both a bm ranger and his pet at the same time
-Guardians: Bunkers in spvp high end tourneys don’t need to chase anyone around. They wait for you to come to them.

So as you can see, even though we are the class that has any real problem with movement impairment, we are ‘buffed’ with sketchy mechanisms to barely come at the lvl of other classes to combat movement impairment who don’t really need to in the 1st place.

It just blows my mind when warriors are happy with compromising so much to overcome movement impairment in competitive high end tourneys to kitten their DPS and cc etc while failing to realize that the other classes have it way easier and they don’t need to close gaps as much.

It’s like giving a fat kid a skate board and telling him: Here..now you can catch up with those marathon runners driving a car..

Yes, basicly warriors have to give up rune slots/food/items to do what other classes can do…

Guess what happens when they put on that gear (you know, since they can wear it too.) they become super slippery while we become LOL LIKE THEM.

Warriors are getting there damage cut down significantly, meanwhile Guardians are getting a damage buff and they already beat us in utility/healing/sustain. Now they beat us on damage too?

Why even play a warrior?

If you talk about WvWvW, because of all the crap around, Guardians are actually really mobile with Sword/X + Greatsword.

dukefx.9730:

Idk why people have to constantly bring up CoF. It’s a piece of cake for any profession specced for offense. Other professions with zerker gear are somewhat rare and this is why warriors are so favored. Try a group of warriors with PVT gear and you’ll see how “fast” they are.

The cof argument is so kittened. Do it with 4 zerk necros, more or less the same speed or even faster. Nerf Necros plz looool

Anet is kittened in balancing, period.

XII.9401:

darkace.8925:

If you stand outside CoF for half an hour you’ll see the nerf is warranted.

So let me get this straight..you think the nerf is warranted because your class couldn’t get in a cof p1 farming group? I have an idea..why not form your own group with no wars or mesmers?

That is the stupidest reason I have ever heard to nerf the warrior.

You’re completely missing the point. The fact that the optimal setup for a five man party is four of one very specific type of Warrior build is not disputed, and it’s that one very specific build that’s getting the bulk of the nerf. If you’re capable of being honest with yourself then you’d recognize the nerf was warranted. If you’re incapable of being honest with yourself, then I don’t know what to say…

Daecollo.9578:

Yes, basicly warriors have to give up rune slots/food/items to do what other classes can do…

Or, you know, you could “give up” healing and/or utility skills and get the same effect? Remember those? They’re those things you looked at and said “pft, utility? I think not! Those are reserved for DPS!”

Daecollo.9578:

Warriors are getting there damage cut down significantly, meanwhile Guardians are getting a damage buff and they already beat us in utility/healing/sustain. Now they beat us on damage too?

Again, it’s a very specific build that’s getting nerfed, not the profession as a whole.

And if you think Guardians out damage Warriors across the board, go ask them how they feel about their ranged damage. Or go ask them how they feel about their condition damage. Or ask them if their condition removal without giving up “give up rune slots/food/item.” That’s right, Guardians – and everyone else – has to make the same types of choices Warriors do when it comes to condition removal; they too have to use utility skills or “give up rune slots/food/item.”

And while you’re at it, ask them how much they have to sacrifice to get to a respectable health level. Ask them how much of a cushion their paltry ~11,000 health affords them against condition damage. Ask them how much of a cushion their paltry ~11,000 health gives them against burst damage. “But they have good defense and damage mitigation,” I hear you say. Good defense and damage mitigation isn’t free, it requires them to “give up rune slots/food/item.”

Funny how we keep coming back to that concept of trade-off, huh? That’s what seems to be the problem with many of you, you don’t want to trade-off offense for utility or balance. And then you cry the profession is broken because you can’t avoid crowd control? That seems awfully narrow-minded to me.

darkace.8925:

Daecollo.9578:

Yes, basicly warriors have to give up rune slots/food/items to do what other classes can do…

Or, you know, you could “give up” healing and/or utility skills and get the same effect? Remember those? They’re those things you looked at and said “pft, utility? I think not! Those are reserved for DPS!”

Daecollo.9578:

Warriors are getting there damage cut down significantly, meanwhile Guardians are getting a damage buff and they already beat us in utility/healing/sustain. Now they beat us on damage too?

Again, it’s a very specific build that’s getting nerfed, not the profession as a whole.

And if you think Guardians out damage Warriors across the board, go ask them how they feel about their ranged damage. Or go ask them how they feel about their condition damage. Or ask them if their condition removal without giving up “give up rune slots/food/item.” That’s right, Guardians – and everyone else – has to make the same types of choices Warriors do when it comes to condition removal; they too have to use utility skills or “give up rune slots/food/item.”

And while you’re at it, ask them how much they have to sacrifice to get to a respectable health level. Ask them how much of a cushion their paltry ~11,000 health affords them against condition damage. Ask them how much of a cushion their paltry ~11,000 health gives them against burst damage. “But they have good defense and damage mitigation,” I hear you say. Good defense and damage mitigation isn’t free, it requires them to “give up rune slots/food/item.”

Funny how we keep coming back to that concept of trade-off, huh? That’s what seems to be the problem with many of you, you don’t want to trade-off offense for utility or balance. And then you cry the profession is broken because you can’t avoid crowd control? That seems awfully narrow-minded to me.

HAHAHAHAH… Specific build?

ALL builds are getting cut down, almost every build used those two traits, are we playing the same class?

Daecollo.9578:

HAHAHAHAH… Specific build?

ALL builds are getting cut down, almost every build used those two traits, are we playing the same class?

You just proved my point. If “almost every build used those two traits” then they were clearly too good. Thus the nerf was warranted.

/thread

darkace.8925:

Daecollo.9578:

HAHAHAHAH… Specific build?

ALL builds are getting cut down, almost every build used those two traits, are we playing the same class?

You just proved my point. If “almost every build used those two traits” then they were clearly too good. Thus the nerf was warranted.

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You just got done explaining why no warrior used it, now you agree with me…

Warriors got a 25% damage nerf with no compensation whatsoever. Looks like i’m rerolling guardian

Getting both BP and HF moved to the grandmaster traits is a good move in my opinion. But i wish anet gave us a bit more love when it comes to CC and mobility in return.

Nope, only rangers/guardians/elementalists/necros/thieves get pulls. They are Anet’s love classes.