Guild Wars 2

@Varyag

You’re right my mistake for not being more clear. I was really just giving a basic layout.
We can go that route for better control, but it still doesn’t flow as smoothly as it should. . While the Warrior can bring consistent control with his weapons. In a Control vs Control fight we can easily be lockdown and killed, due to highly predictable attacks(slow). Which makes it worst for us because our support is trash. Not to mention we move like bricks. We are even more open to be kited.

So as this route we have 2 options….

1) Increase damage output and be more glass cannon.(So our mace/hammer does better damage but can be downed easier).

2) Be more tanky which will only make you a meatshield. Relying mostly on others to deal out the better dps. Also, some good heals for the long fights.

A bunker engie works with control effects, but he’s still able to support himself and be more mobile as he blasts you around. While still outputting nice damage. Another example of how we’re viable but still another can do better.

Meatshield or Glass Cannon are our most effective options. Meatshield doesn’t belong in GW2 and I guess Glass Cannon does what it’s suppose to do, hence the name.

Sure you can spec in conditions(I do sometimes), but a lot of other classes have much easier ways to remove conditions. So a prepared player can drastically affect your dps output. Condition Removal every 10 seconds, I’m looking at you…Which wouldn’t be a problem if we…

Could effectively apply bleeds quicker by giving MH sword 1(last attack) a bleed effect. OH 4 should apply MORE bleed stacks by ripping the weapon out of someone. So it would be most effective by timing it correctly to max dps. Also, OH 5(Riposte) not relying on the less aware to attack you. I would prefer if I could just activate it on my own. I really don’t need that adrenaline boost… In PvP a player can still dodge after activating it. Good luck trying to pull it off in WvW.

I came up with this because of how a necro plays. It’s hard to keep up with their conditions. You can wash them away, but he’ll start loading them up on you immediately after. So his dps output, while drops due to needing to reapply stacks, stays much more consistant and doesn’t utterly plummets.

I think making someone bleed should become more natural as a sword/sword warrior. Thieves have no problem doing the same while adding other conditions.

Longbow: Good in sieges, nothing else.

Apparently I’ve angered the egomaniac forum mods by pointing out how utterly clueless the OP is without listing WHY he’s clueless (an infraction for not listing WHY… lmfao). Common sense would suggest that intelligent readers would understand my direct implications, but for those that are more…. “challenged”, I’ll clarify (per the lolmoderator’s rant):

We can do everything that he seems to think we can’t. Therefore, he’s clueless.

Defektive.7283:

Example:
http://www.twitch.tv/defektive/c/1717839
^tPvP – vs rank40+ bunker guard

How wrong is this?

He beats up on someone that obviously isn’t paying attention, then takes on a guard fighting another player.

When the guard finally turns to attack him, you find out he’s an ultimate noob bunker guard. No symbols, using dogs, using a sword main hand, and hardly even attacking. And he STILL manages to chase you out of the point. Then your buddy downs him.

I’m not seeing whats so good about this fight. Not saying I’m the best PvP player in the world, because I’m obviously not, but this vid is just a high powered warrior displaying how they still lose to a poorly-played and built bunker.

Redscope.6215:

Defektive.7283:

Example:
http://www.twitch.tv/defektive/c/1717839
^tPvP – vs rank40+ bunker guard

How wrong is this?

He beats up on someone that obviously isn’t paying attention, then takes on a guard fighting another player.

When the guard finally turns to attack him, you find out he’s an ultimate noob bunker guard. No symbols, using dogs, using a sword main hand, and hardly even attacking. And he STILL manages to chase you out of the point. Then your buddy downs him.

I’m not seeing whats so good about this fight. Not saying I’m the best PvP player in the world, because I’m obviously not, but this vid is just a high powered warrior displaying how they still lose to a poorly-played and built bunker.

Redscope I always seem to have spell things out for you. Yet regardless of what I’m going to say you’ll cry wolf. However, I’ll give it my best shot once again.

The original topic: “A warrior cannot perform in any way in pvp in a situation”

I specifically singled out tPvP.

Now the bunker you’re seeing is a fairly common bunker build in tPvP. High regen/Protection while still being able to fight 1v1.

My point as to why Warriors are just fine in tPvP.

Remember, this is a team game: I came into the fight, singled out the weakest link. Enemy guardian was about to stomp my teammate and could have easily popped stability to guarantee it, I was also a good 600 range away.

I able to quickly eliminate the weak player and stomp him allowing for the res of my teammate. This provided my teammate with ample time to exit the battle and move on to killing their treb. (Staff ele vs. Guardian is a very long fight to watch).
This left me to deal with the bunker and either
A) keep the point contested until backup comes.
or
B) Cap it.

With a little luck and decent planning (note how when he was spinning to win I removed myself from the fight and let him flail around, minimizing damage and giving myself breathing room) I was able to defeat him.
-Luck: A crit.
-Decent planning: Waiting until he used his utilities so I could nab a full duration shield stun and follow up w/ an evis.

Your quote:
“And he STILL manages to chase you out of the point. Then your buddy downs him.”

He didn’t chase me, he was downed, I was at low HP. I wasn’t about to simply sit there and let him down me. I LoS’d, waited for a heal – but luckily Blackout came in early and removed him from the fight so I could go back to roaming.

To contest a point and fight over it you don’t have to just sit on a point completely in the square/circle. You just need to be running in and out of it while you wait for backup.

Oh by the way. Your comment “they still lose to a poorly-played and built bunker.”
I actually won the fight.

So lets recap with a TLDR:
-Quickly eliminated weak enemy.
-Ressed teammate I wouldn’t have been able to res otherwise.
-Free’d teammate to remove Treb from the game.
-Defeated enemy bunker to contest/cap point.

Side note: You always sound so angry when you make posts.

I apologize if I come off harsh Redscope. But you always enter a conversation stating how bad Warriors are, this is something I fundamentally disagree with, hence my passion.

So many of us are in agreement that we should let new players know: Warriors are fine and may not be for you?

Im playing healing shout mace-mace/hammer ultra tank build. And while i can’t carry a team in SPvP, i have a lot of fun fighting, i have lasted against the majority of the enemy team standing on a single node, to the point where guild members on enemy team asked me how the hell i am still standing.

I think i would be very sad if meat shield was removed =P

In group play, i heal the allies, i remove loads of conditions, i unleash a plethora of stuns (managed to make my mesmer guildy exhaust all of his stun breaks and still keep him held down) and usually hold my own against 2-3 people until backup arrives, at which time my superior control and support usually allows me and the help to turn the tide.

My spec seems great for martyr style, though i am in SPvP so maybe in TPvP people will learn not to stack up and attack me, but when i do, i can hold off 2/3 of the enemy team while the rest cap the understaffed nodes.

Had a fight with one of my guardian friends on top of the clock tower, he’s pretty knowledgable about class mechanics and seems to be the strongest fighter in our group. We started off fighting while each team was on about 50 points, and were still fighting by the time the game had finished. On that note, i would say that i can take damage like a guardian.

You may say that meat shielding has no place in GW2, but that is the warrior form of bunkering. Honestly yeah, a damage buff would be grand for my bunker spec, but i can keep myself alive for ludicrous amounts of time, loads of control to stop stomps and the ability to top myself up with healing and condition removal while reviving.

Dunno whether or not its viable, but im having fun. So it feels viable right now.

I love the warrior profession, maybe my original post made it seem like I think we are bad or something, that wasn’t my attention. I basically only play warrior, as I find the other professions to always have some area where I get frustrated. I don’t like Tpvp and Spvp, and I don’t bother roaming on my own in WvW, but I enjoy big sieges and group fights, I enjoy dungeons and solo pve, so warrior is perfect for me.

The point of this thread, is that if a new player wants to be good at 1vs1 or structured/tournament pvp, then warrior is not the profession they will have much fun with in these areas. I’m not saying warrior is so absolutely horrible in these areas, I’m saying that most other professions are simply a lot better at them, and eventually most players will reroll after seeing other professions perform much better at the content they enjoys most. Having to reroll after putting so much time into one character, is just not cool, therefor I made this topic to help starting warriors realize what their profession is good at, and what not.

There is just no arguing that warriors are better at pve than at pvp.. it is a simple fact. Some people just love coming to a topic and hating on the OP, posing their superior knowledge and skill, but that doesn’t make me wrong in this case.

Zsymon.8457:

I don’t like Tpvp and Spvp, and I don’t bother roaming on my own in WvW, but I enjoy big sieges and group fights.

The point of this thread, is that if a new player wants to be good at 1vs1 or structured/tournament pvp, then warrior is not the profession they will have much fun with in these areas.

There is just no arguing that warriors are better at pve than at pvp.. it is a simple fact.

In your own word choice:
-You don’t like tPvP, sPvP or bother to Roam in WvW (most likely for small fights)

You then go on to say warriors are bad at these things. Despite saying you don’t like them, thus don’t participate in them.

AKA, your own inexperience in the areas you are critique casts doubt on your presumption that Warriors are bad at tPvP, sPvP and 1v1’s.

I already wrote that I base my opinion on tpvp and spvp on the experiences and posts of those players who are very experienced in these areas. Players experienced there, consistantly write about how horrible the warrior performs in tpvp and spvp compared to other professions, so I included this in my thread. Just because I don’t have much personal experience in those areas, doesn’t mean that what I write is wrong. The point of this thread was to list warrior strengths and weaknesses for new players, not boast about my knowledge or skill.

But the strengths and weaknesses you put forward are entirely opinionated. Players who aren’t doing that great but play often will of course blame it on the class.

Instead of telling new players DONT PLAY A WARRIOR IF YOU WANNA TPVP!

Just state the weaknesses such as:
-Can be easily kited.
-Can be tanky with certain traits, squishy with others.

There are a number of experienced Warriors doing really well, that alone is a proof of concept that class is solid.

Doesn’t Team PZ run a Warrior?