Guild Wars 2

Since the warrior is going to be nerfed to the ground, I’m considering switching to my guardian as my WvW’er. Anyone else having the same thoughts?

Switch to non hammer? Warrior is still strong. They have a lot of other really good weapon combinations for WvW, and nothing else really changed.

Guardian is a better choice unless you wanna play a condi build . But wvw is pretty easy since you have a blob that protects you so it dosen’t matters . For PvP it’s obvious that condi warrior will still be a beast .

S/S/LB is my preferred PvP and WvW build personally. Mostly because I roam and S/S is far better for roaming.

Yea but condi builds are boring in wvw roaming . Alot of people.are clueless in there so it’s much better to insta kill with a DPS setup . I keep condi builds for tpvp since you’re not really moving. But people will QQ about condi warr because it.still better than most condi builds .

Nerfed to the ground? OH sorry you have to change your build to 0 20 20 0 30 or god forbid you could play something else like great sword longbow or any of the other 315613 viable warrior builds.

Oh god Warriors are no longer be able to do massive damage, massive CCs, massive tank, massive sustain, massive conditions removal all in one build anymore, oh god oh no Warriors are just like other class now oh god

Please reroll ranger in WvW. Even after the upcoming buffs they will still be a free, quick and easy kill.

hihey.1075:

Please reroll ranger in WvW. Even after the upcoming buffs they will still be a free, quick and easy kill.

He’s actually right :<

Will the longbow nerf actually kill all condition builds for wvw?
Because I don’t see condition damage being viable without a longbow and its burst skill just got a 30% damage nerf.

Reroll to ele. Your qq would make a wonderful edition to our forums

Butter.3024:

Oh god Warriors are no longer be able to do massive damage, massive CCs, massive tank, massive sustain, massive conditions removal all in one build anymore, oh god oh no Warriors are just like other class now oh god

Warriors can’t do neither one separately either now.Hammer berserker build nerfed by 20% and mace dps nerfed indirectly since no skullcrack will ever land at 130 range on a moving target * EVER *.

How exactly was hammer zerk build massive tank and sustain please explain to me in english ?Was hammer zerk OP since launch until 1 month ago when baddies stormed the forums with their qq like a flock ?

Warriors don’t understand the phrase “nerfed to the ground” yet.

Zacchary.6183:

Warriors don’t understand the phrase “nerfed to the ground” yet.

Hammer dps got nerfed by 40% fourty kitten percent if you want to pick UF,cleansing ire and fast hands guys.If you go full zerk you only lose 20%.Pretty small nerf huh?

Thank god they said they don’t want to nerf to the ground a class and they will do it moderately ? What is next then? 150% damage nerf in january probably.

I’m not sure the damage nerf on earthshaker is a -needed- nerf. The majority of WvW warriors dont use it for the damage it does, same goes for staggering blow. 25% for a burst skill seems quite harsh regardless, even though the majority of hammer warriors damage comes from auto attacks which are not being touched. I would have agreed with a slightly lower damage nerf to earthshaker or a cooldown increase on some things. All in all, the nerf is only having a big effect on roaming builds and spvp, and for the most part hammer trains will be the same. With the damage nerf, guardian hammer is probably a better option though. (imob. in a line, large knockback, long lasting hard CC in a ring and protection)

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Zacchary.6183:

Warriors don’t understand the phrase “nerfed to the ground” yet.

Hammer dps got nerfed by 40% fourty kitten percent if you want to pick UF,cleansing ire and fast hands guys.If you go full zerk you only lose 20%.Pretty small nerf huh?

Thank god they said they don’t want to nerf to the ground a class and they will do it moderately ? What is next then? 150% damage nerf in january probably.

Lolololol, you clearly haven’t played an Ele or a Thief since launch.

Zord.6130:

mini.6018:

Zacchary.6183:

Warriors don’t understand the phrase “nerfed to the ground” yet.

Hammer dps got nerfed by 40% fourty kitten percent if you want to pick UF,cleansing ire and fast hands guys.If you go full zerk you only lose 20%.Pretty small nerf huh?

Thank god they said they don’t want to nerf to the ground a class and they will do it moderately ? What is next then? 150% damage nerf in january probably.

Lolololol, you clearly haven’t played an Ele or a Thief since launch.

No.I played a warrior since launch wich was way worse than ele plus thief nerfs put together.

Kunzzi.5714:

Will the longbow nerf actually kill all condition builds for wvw?
Because I don’t see condition damage being viable without a longbow and its burst skill just got a 30% damage nerf.

Only the physical damage is going to be nerfed. Condition gets a buff with the increase to the burning duration.

For wvw all you need is aoe cleaves and survivability anyway.

mini.6018:

Zacchary.6183:

Warriors don’t understand the phrase “nerfed to the ground” yet.

Hammer dps got nerfed by 40% fourty kitten percent if you want to pick UF,cleansing ire and fast hands guys.If you go full zerk you only lose 20%.Pretty small nerf huh?

Thank god they said they don’t want to nerf to the ground a class and they will do it moderately ? What is next then? 150% damage nerf in january probably.

Thats literally nothing compared to what Thief and Ele have experienced the past year. Ele went from a tank that could stack might and heal itself, with high movement and escapes, to a kill or be killed class, thats it. Ele has about…. 9-14 seconds to wipe you out or its dead. Thief has had almost every single attack and build nerfed to the ground. Pistol Whip was nerfed around 9 months ago, and it does less than an auto attack chain. I had perma stealth thieves but its the only build they have left after all the nerfs to EVERY Build. IF they reduce the damage of EVERY SINGLE WARRIOR weapon by 40% and take away healing signet, blocking with shield, Stuns with mace…. they would still out perform the Ranger on every level.

Dont worry, Warriors can still bunker just as well as a Guardian you have nothing to worry about in pvp. Your conditions are still better than a mesmers if you use perplexity runes youre just fine. Only thing, an Engi MIGHT be better at Range than a warrior, but thats up in the air ill have to crunch some numbers and do some gameplay and get back to you

mini.6018:

Zord.6130:

mini.6018:

Zacchary.6183:

Warriors don’t understand the phrase “nerfed to the ground” yet.

Hammer dps got nerfed by 40% fourty kitten percent if you want to pick UF,cleansing ire and fast hands guys.If you go full zerk you only lose 20%.Pretty small nerf huh?

Thank god they said they don’t want to nerf to the ground a class and they will do it moderately ? What is next then? 150% damage nerf in january probably.

Lolololol, you clearly haven’t played an Ele or a Thief since launch.

No.I played a warrior since launch wich was way worse than ele plus thief nerfs put together.

Warrior was never bad, ever. It lacked survivability but it always did OP damage. The real problem wasnt so much the class, it was that every single person wanted to use knockdowns + 100b. Once that stopped, and warriors started using Maces and Hammers the Warrior did great. Around that same time Warrior got every buff you could imagine while Rangers, the worst class, got nerfed…. around 6 patches in a row.

lol

Ohh I have w8ted forever for warrior nerf eny beacose they have been arenanet favorite for sooo long and only got careing from them so I have nofthing else to say thaan….
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3GwjfUFyY6M

Azure.8670:

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Zacchary.6183:

Warriors don’t understand the phrase “nerfed to the ground” yet.

Hammer dps got nerfed by 40% fourty kitten percent if you want to pick UF,cleansing ire and fast hands guys.If you go full zerk you only lose 20%.Pretty small nerf huh?

Thank god they said they don’t want to nerf to the ground a class and they will do it moderately ? What is next then? 150% damage nerf in january probably.

Thats literally nothing compared to what Thief and Ele have experienced the past year. Ele went from a tank that could stack might and heal itself, with high movement and escapes, to a kill or be killed class, thats it. Ele has about…. 9-14 seconds to wipe you out or its dead. Thief has had almost every single attack and build nerfed to the ground. Pistol Whip was nerfed around 9 months ago, and it does less than an auto attack chain. I had perma stealth thieves but its the only build they have left after all the nerfs to EVERY Build. IF they reduce the damage of EVERY SINGLE WARRIOR weapon by 40% and take away healing signet, blocking with shield, Stuns with mace…. they would still out perform the Ranger on every level.

Dont worry, Warriors can still bunker just as well as a Guardian you have nothing to worry about in pvp. Your conditions are still better than a mesmers if you use perplexity runes youre just fine. Only thing, an Engi MIGHT be better at Range than a warrior, but thats up in the air ill have to crunch some numbers and do some gameplay and get back to you

M8 you ar completely delusional .Warrior was ok before cleansing ire and healsig ? Warrior can tank better than guardian .Please if you have no ideea gtfo of warrior forums your kind destroyed our class enough to not even make it viable in pve soon enough.You have no clue about you are talking about or how warrior was at pvp leve or 1v1 against any player with more than 2 fingers for a whole year.

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Zord.6130:

mini.6018:

Zacchary.6183:

Warriors don’t understand the phrase “nerfed to the ground” yet.

Hammer dps got nerfed by 40% fourty kitten percent if you want to pick UF,cleansing ire and fast hands guys.If you go full zerk you only lose 20%.Pretty small nerf huh?

Thank god they said they don’t want to nerf to the ground a class and they will do it moderately ? What is next then? 150% damage nerf in january probably.

Lolololol, you clearly haven’t played an Ele or a Thief since launch.

No.I played a warrior since launch wich was way worse than ele plus thief nerfs put together.

lest we forget. oh wait the eles and thieves forgot. btw WE ARE BACK. it was nice and kushy back in A tier but we decided to come down to D teir with you guys just to have some old nostalgia.

Nickthemoonwolf.1485:

I’m not sure the damage nerf on earthshaker is a -needed- nerf. The majority of WvW warriors dont use it for the damage it does, same goes for staggering blow. 25% for a burst skill seems quite harsh regardless, even though the majority of hammer warriors damage comes from auto attacks which are not being touched.

Umm what? Maybe in an 80v80 blobfest where none of your other skills will fire, but not in any skilled-play setting.

Epic.3950:

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Zord.6130:

mini.6018:

Zacchary.6183:

Warriors don’t understand the phrase “nerfed to the ground” yet.

Hammer dps got nerfed by 40% fourty kitten percent if you want to pick UF,cleansing ire and fast hands guys.If you go full zerk you only lose 20%.Pretty small nerf huh?

Thank god they said they don’t want to nerf to the ground a class and they will do it moderately ? What is next then? 150% damage nerf in january probably.

Lolololol, you clearly haven’t played an Ele or a Thief since launch.

No.I played a warrior since launch wich was way worse than ele plus thief nerfs put together.

lest we forget. oh wait the eles and thieves forgot. btw WE ARE BACK. it was nice and kushy back in A tier but we decided to come down to D teir with you guys just to have some old nostalgia.

No you’re not. You still have viable builds.

Not sure, I just jumped on the OP bandwagon with a 0/10/30/0/30 build, but it seems to me that the thing affected is the free +50% critical rate after an Earth Shaker (which is not that long, anyway) and some reduced damage of hammer #4 and F1. That does not seem so bad, the crowd control pressure and insane healing remains. I just need to swap 10 points of critical to something that might matter? I just use F1 to be annoying and #4 to push people down/out of stealth rings. So the damage loss, I can take it.

Butter.3024:

Oh god Warriors are no longer be able to do massive damage, massive CCs, massive tank, massive sustain, massive conditions removal all in one build anymore, oh god oh no Warriors are just like other class now oh god

Yes the Hammer build was OP, but for WvW, it’s basically the weapon. Without the hammer the warrior seems like it’s going to be pushed back to where it was for the first 9 months of this game, basically useless in any non-PvE environment.

Zacchary.6183:

Epic.3950:

mini.6018:

Zord.6130:

mini.6018:

Zacchary.6183:

Warriors don’t understand the phrase “nerfed to the ground” yet.

Hammer dps got nerfed by 40% fourty kitten percent if you want to pick UF,cleansing ire and fast hands guys.If you go full zerk you only lose 20%.Pretty small nerf huh?

Thank god they said they don’t want to nerf to the ground a class and they will do it moderately ? What is next then? 150% damage nerf in january probably.

Lolololol, you clearly haven’t played an Ele or a Thief since launch.

No.I played a warrior since launch wich was way worse than ele plus thief nerfs put together.

lest we forget. oh wait the eles and thieves forgot. btw WE ARE BACK. it was nice and kushy back in A tier but we decided to come down to D teir with you guys just to have some old nostalgia.

No you’re not. You still have viable builds.

anet devs———————→Warriors must be s/s LB dire bunker
Thieves must be d/d gank spec
Eles must be staff or GTFO bro

embrace your fellow brothers

SuKHoi.2063:

Since the warrior is going to be nerfed to the ground, I’m considering switching to my guardian as my WvW’er. Anyone else having the same thoughts?

No.

Epic.3950:

Zacchary.6183:

Epic.3950:

mini.6018:

Zord.6130:

mini.6018:

Zacchary.6183:

Warriors don’t understand the phrase “nerfed to the ground” yet.

Hammer dps got nerfed by 40% fourty kitten percent if you want to pick UF,cleansing ire and fast hands guys.If you go full zerk you only lose 20%.Pretty small nerf huh?

Thank god they said they don’t want to nerf to the ground a class and they will do it moderately ? What is next then? 150% damage nerf in january probably.

Lolololol, you clearly haven’t played an Ele or a Thief since launch.

No.I played a warrior since launch wich was way worse than ele plus thief nerfs put together.

lest we forget. oh wait the eles and thieves forgot. btw WE ARE BACK. it was nice and kushy back in A tier but we decided to come down to D teir with you guys just to have some old nostalgia.

No you’re not. You still have viable builds.

anet devs———————->Warriors must be s/s LB dire bunker
Thieves must be d/d gank spec
Eles must be staff or GTFO bro

embrace your fellow brothers

Warriors are like body builders and this nerf is like the warrior got 2nd place in a weight lifting tournament.

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Zacchary.6183:

Warriors don’t understand the phrase “nerfed to the ground” yet.

Hammer dps got nerfed by 40% fourty kitten percent if you want to pick UF,cleansing ire and fast hands guys.If you go full zerk you only lose 20%.Pretty small nerf huh?

Thank god they said they don’t want to nerf to the ground a class and they will do it moderately ? What is next then? 150% damage nerf in january probably.

Thought I would just point out your “40% nerf” thing is not how math works. Just because one skill was reduced by 23% and the other by 20% that does not equate to a 40% over-all nerf in hammer DPS. Actually, if you were to consider only those two skills to be in the Hammer-skills kitten nal the nerf would be somewhere around 21%, but alas they are not the only skills you can use…

Warrior drama queen much? A 20% DPS nerf on a CC-heavy weapon seems reasonable.

saden.6942:

mini.6018:

Zacchary.6183:

Warriors don’t understand the phrase “nerfed to the ground” yet.

Hammer dps got nerfed by 40% fourty kitten percent if you want to pick UF,cleansing ire and fast hands guys.If you go full zerk you only lose 20%.Pretty small nerf huh?

Thank god they said they don’t want to nerf to the ground a class and they will do it moderately ? What is next then? 150% damage nerf in january probably.

Thought I would just point out your “40% nerf” thing is not how math works. Just because one skill was reduced by 23% and the other by 20% that does not equate to a 40% over-all nerf in hammer DPS. Actually, if you were to consider only those two skills to be in the Hammer-skills kitten nal the nerf would be somewhere around 21%, but alas they are not the only skills you can use…

Warrior drama queen much? A 20% DPS nerf on a CC-heavy weapon seems reasonable.

But the damage was never insane to begin with. You are applying a 20% damage reduction to a weapon that did average damage at best to begin with. The only reason people got big bursts out of it was cause of crit. damage without UF the damage is kind of sub-par for a burst skill. The drama queens are all the ones QQing about the OP warriors cause they can’t get their free kills anymore.

I agree on that one. Anet want wars to Bunker, that’s why they didn’t touch the condi spec and the Healing signet

I’ll have to see have the hammer damage nerf affects me in WvW. I will be upgrading to my ascended hammer soon so that will help make up for some of the damaged lost. My guess is the control is still too good to pass up for zergs.

Also, for some reason I am excited about the buff to reckless dodge, mostly because of the near permanent vigor I have on my warrior.

Warriors aren’t being nerfed into the ground. If you’re going to class switch because of these changes, you don’t understand them, you don’t understand the class, and you’d be better off playing something else anyway.

Enjoy the Guardian.

People are blowing things way out of proportion jesus.. It’s a sad day to be a warrior.

its never a sad day to be a warrior

lol, Warrior is still the class to be. Eles/Thieves right now are all considering whether to uninstall

I will pull my hammer out with PRIDE after this patch when all the FOTM go to their Guardians.

Flissy.4093:

I will pull my hammer out with PRIDE after this patch when all the FOTM go to their Guardians.

I love my hammer too much just to put it in the closet. My roaming build is going to take a a serious DPS hit if all these changes go through. I guess it will be the same as before our heal buffs but instead of me dying faster it is the enemy that will be dying slower. Either way, I will still pound noobs into the ground with impunity.

They aren’t blowing it out of proportions. They joined the ranks of warriors just because of a powerful build and an easy playstyle. Now that they can no longer do that they have no reason to play warrior anymore and the class is unplayable(to them).

Any warrior that has been used to face tanking things I highly encourage you to try ele, then you’ll see you still have much farther to fall before you’re “unplayable”.

Azure.8670:

Thats literally nothing compared to what Thief and Ele have experienced the past year. Ele went from a tank that could stack might and heal itself, with high movement and escapes, to a kill or be killed class, thats it. Ele has about…. 9-14 seconds to wipe you out or its dead. Thief has had almost every single attack and build nerfed to the ground. Pistol Whip was nerfed around 9 months ago, and it does less than an auto attack chain. I had perma stealth thieves but its the only build they have left after all the nerfs to EVERY Build. IF they reduce the damage of EVERY SINGLE WARRIOR weapon by 40% and take away healing signet, blocking with shield, Stuns with mace…. they would still out perform the Ranger on every level.

Dont worry, Warriors can still bunker just as well as a Guardian you have nothing to worry about in pvp. Your conditions are still better than a mesmers if you use perplexity runes youre just fine. Only thing, an Engi MIGHT be better at Range than a warrior, but thats up in the air ill have to crunch some numbers and do some gameplay and get back to you

The Elementalist nerf was not as big as you are making it out to be. The Grand Total of Thief nerfs don’t even amount to this nor the first huge nerf Warriors received.

If you even played at lunch then you would remember receiving a 27% damage cut not even 1 month after lunch. Not just that, our discipline line sat at 3% burst damage increase for over 9 months! But what is the real kicker for all of that? We got nothing in return for that nerf. Warrior damage was literally cut by 27% and they called it a day. No buffs to horrible traits (that are still in the game mind you) or skills.

You are just entirely clueless to what happens in the game and are basis towards this class. Warriors in their current condition are still easily killed by any competent/decent player.

Vanthian.9267:

Azure.8670:

Thats literally nothing compared to what Thief and Ele have experienced the past year. Ele went from a tank that could stack might and heal itself, with high movement and escapes, to a kill or be killed class, thats it. Ele has about…. 9-14 seconds to wipe you out or its dead. Thief has had almost every single attack and build nerfed to the ground. Pistol Whip was nerfed around 9 months ago, and it does less than an auto attack chain. I had perma stealth thieves but its the only build they have left after all the nerfs to EVERY Build. IF they reduce the damage of EVERY SINGLE WARRIOR weapon by 40% and take away healing signet, blocking with shield, Stuns with mace…. they would still out perform the Ranger on every level.

Dont worry, Warriors can still bunker just as well as a Guardian you have nothing to worry about in pvp. Your conditions are still better than a mesmers if you use perplexity runes youre just fine. Only thing, an Engi MIGHT be better at Range than a warrior, but thats up in the air ill have to crunch some numbers and do some gameplay and get back to you

The Elementalist nerf was not as big as you are making it out to be. The Grand Total of Thief nerfs don’t even amount to this nor the first huge nerf Warriors received.

If you even played at lunch then you would remember receiving a 27% damage cut not even 1 month after lunch. Not just that, our discipline line sat at 3% burst damage increase for over 9 months! But what is the real kicker for all of that? We got nothing in return for that nerf. Warrior damage was literally cut by 27% and they called it a day. No buffs to horrible traits (that are still in the game mind you) or skills.

You are just entirely clueless to what happens in the game and are basis towards this class. Warriors in their current condition are still easily killed by any competent/decent player.

You know a few Warrior facts, and other than that have NO IDEA what youre talking about. For the record, Warrior is my 3rd favorite class and I have all of them at 80.

You obviously dont play any other class. Elementalist is horrible right now. We are stuck with Arcana and Water in every build , unless we go fire staff build which means we are horrible in our other attunements and theres a 15s CD between attunements. Healing power is basically worthless for Eles now. We have no way go get away from people chasing us anymore. D/D is worthless even though I still use it on my Ele. If you use a scepter youre forced to go into air. We cant heal or res while in mist form anymore, which is HUGE. teleport doesnt break stun, which is horrible. Watch any youtube video by DaPhoenix, whene Eles were OP and we only fought people 1×3 or 1×5 to make it fair. Yea, we were OP but they nerfed EVERYTHING from that build and it leaked over into the entire class.

Thief has been nerfed in every patch. You dont know what youre talking about. Everyone cries about d/p Thieves but guess what, thats all we have. Everyone cried about S/D so much they had to nerf it. Everything Thief has gets nerfed. From damage to viability, all they have is stealth and thats apparently getting hit with the nerf bat (d/p more init) next patch. YOU DONT KNOW WHAT YOURE TALKING ABOUT. If you took 20% of ALL the warriors damage away right now, it would still be better than the Ranger at everything.
BETA Ranger was a beast, and that was the last time the class was good or wanted. Whens the last time you saw a “No Warrior or kick” in a LFG. Try playing Ranger and Engi, or a Condi necro if the group is REAL elite, and youll feel like trash. People play this game to play it how they want and cant even go into dungeons sometimes because of their class, no matter how good they are. I use my Mesmer for Fractals and WVW, Warrior and Ele for dungeons, Ranger and Engi for open world events so no one can kick me, Necro for WVW but shes in hibernation, and Thief is in retirement due to the nonstop crying on the boards. Make your main a Ranger and youll be begging to be a Warrior no matter what the nerfs are.

And for the record, Warrior and Guardian are the ONLY classes that can play PVE WVW and PVP without problem. Im not agreeing to nerf the Warrior, but dont sit here an cry about nerfs until youve played the other classes. try putting 700 hours into an ele and 650 into a thief just to see every build get destroyed

Azure.8670:

And for the record, Warrior and Guardian are the ONLY classes that can play PVE WVW and PVP without problem. Im not agreeing to nerf the Warrior, but dont sit here an cry about nerfs until youve played the other classes. try putting 700 hours into an ele and 650 into a thief just to see every build get destroyed

Who the kitten cares about pve ? pve in this game is so ridiculous they shoul find a new name for it because it’s an insult to the term pve in general where pve was already the lowest skillcap of all in mmos since their invention.Just stack ONLY dps and spam 123,dodge the main attacks wich are really obvious and youre done.Heck i only played WvW and pvp since launch and recently the first time i did Lupicus i died two times and third was a kill on MELEE MODE(thx Alur). You can’t be serious bringing “its fine because they are viable in pve argument” .

Warrior and Guardian. All day, every day.

Azure.8670:

And for the record, Warrior and Guardian are the ONLY classes that can play PVE WVW and PVP without problem. Im not agreeing to nerf the Warrior, but dont sit here an cry about nerfs until youve played the other classes. try putting 700 hours into an ele and 650 into a thief just to see every build get destroyed

I’d kindly ask you to take your PvE metric for balancing my class and shove it as far up your colon as possible.

Azure.8670:

You know a few Warrior facts, and other than that have NO IDEA what youre talking about. For the record, Warrior is my 3rd favorite class and I have all of them at 80.

You obviously dont play any other class. Elementalist is horrible right now. We are stuck with Arcana and Water in every build , unless we go fire staff build which means we are horrible in our other attunements and theres a 15s CD between attunements. Healing power is basically worthless for Eles now. We have no way go get away from people chasing us anymore. D/D is worthless even though I still use it on my Ele. If you use a scepter youre forced to go into air. We cant heal or res while in mist form anymore, which is HUGE. teleport doesnt break stun, which is horrible. Watch any youtube video by DaPhoenix, whene Eles were OP and we only fought people 1×3 or 1×5 to make it fair. Yea, we were OP but they nerfed EVERYTHING from that build and it leaked over into the entire class.

Thief has been nerfed in every patch. You dont know what youre talking about. Everyone cries about d/p Thieves but guess what, thats all we have. Everyone cried about S/D so much they had to nerf it. Everything Thief has gets nerfed. From damage to viability, all they have is stealth and thats apparently getting hit with the nerf bat (d/p more init) next patch. YOU DONT KNOW WHAT YOURE TALKING ABOUT. If you took 20% of ALL the warriors damage away right now, it would still be better than the Ranger at everything.
BETA Ranger was a beast, and that was the last time the class was good or wanted. Whens the last time you saw a “No Warrior or kick” in a LFG. Try playing Ranger and Engi, or a Condi necro if the group is REAL elite, and youll feel like trash. People play this game to play it how they want and cant even go into dungeons sometimes because of their class, no matter how good they are. I use my Mesmer for Fractals and WVW, Warrior and Ele for dungeons, Ranger and Engi for open world events so no one can kick me, Necro for WVW but shes in hibernation, and Thief is in retirement due to the nonstop crying on the boards. Make your main a Ranger and youll be begging to be a Warrior no matter what the nerfs are.

You either don’t pvp at all… or just enjoy miss representing problems. Rangers have been the spot light in this game’s Spvp more times than any other class. With S/d—-shortbow builds, healing bunker and now the spirit ranger. Ranger has been a strong pvp class trough and trough. The only people who complain are pve people and I would wager that is more because they fail to understand the mechanics of the class more than how the class is structured. You can play the class how you want but that will not insure you will do well.

The Thief profession has received nerfs, yes, but it has not been nerfed the worst in the grand total of things. Thus, it continually gets small nerfs almost every patch (minus one that made them broken, as in stupidly strong). Thiefs in general enjoying complaining because they want to one shot people instead of having to three shot them. Not to mention they complain about survival-ability when they have the most broken defense in the game. Being completely invisible at any time they choose is broken, hands down. Thievies only care about two thing and two thing only, trolling people with one shot builds and being able to run away with little to no effort. Meanwhile, they will continue to cry about being “bad” while actually being one of the best classes for solo orientated play. I will say that they could have better team play, but team stealth is absolutely broken.

No sir, you have 0 idea about balance and classes in general or enjoy trying to troll. Warrior has been down trotted since launch and now that they are on par, not above, people cry because they have to try and adapt.

Since the good pvpers left only the bads are left, which is why no one can seem to beat the Warrior now. People are unable to think of new builds besides the ones that the actual pros made 1 year ago. Thus, when the Warrior was brought up to counter the current builds no one understands the fact that they might actually have to switch builds to beat them.

People in this game change one or two traits and believe they have made a new build that is unique to themselves when they have put 0 thought process into it. As I have stated before, the longer this games goes on the less and less innovation we see and more faceroll because that is all the people left can do.

ill still stick to my thief for wvw…and see how the patch works out…pvp wise..any job basically, but mostly warrior, because i love warrior since free kill tier..