Guild Wars 2

I know warriors aren’t in the worst place ever right now, but they aren’t particularly in a good place. Why is every other class getting cute little changes and fixes… But not warriors? Literally almost all the recent patches have included nearly every class, all but warriors. Kinda just a let down. I always get excited for patches for no reason.

Angry Necromancers I guess….

https://forum-en.gw2archive.eu/forum/pvp/pvp/I-play-a-necro-but-I-traid-a-warrior-for-one-play-session/first

No love for the warriors

2nd patch with loads of fixes for all classes except the warrior. What is going on??

“I know they are out there. I’ve got a lvl 40 Warrior. Starting this thread for you to collect them. I’ll get it sticky. Keep in mind fixes take time to do and a week or so to test. As a fellow warrior I know you all are impatient. :p
Ok start posting!
Jon”
Thank you mr. Jon Peters! Amazin work you’re doing, keep it up!

Rush is still missing!

Come on, it’s the strongest Greatsword ability (apart from hundred blades if you can get it off) and it never lands!!!!

Just make it do 50 damage and put all the damage from Rush into the Greatsword auto-attack. Because honesty, it’s the only Greatsword move that WONT MISS!

I’m not too bothered. I trust they’re prioritizing things as best they can, and I have no problems enjoying my Warrior day to day, so I’ll just wait and see. I was kinda bummed too though.

I have no issues with the current state of the Warrior with the exception of Rush that is still buggy and needs a fix.

Got to the end of patch notes and became a sad warrior.

If they could just fix Fast Hands … I’d be happy… >.<

Red Falcon.8257:

I have no issues with the current state of the Warrior with the exception of Rush that is still buggy and needs a fix.

There is quite a few other bugs besides Rush, the fast hands trait in particular.

pot.6805:

Red Falcon.8257:

I have no issues with the current state of the Warrior with the exception of Rush that is still buggy and needs a fix.

There is quite a few other bugs besides Rush, the fast hands trait in particular.

If rush didn’t do 1600 tooltip damage, then i wouldn’t care so much, but, its such a high damage move that NEVER hit’s. It can crit for as much as 8-9k.

It needs a quick fix or move the damage to a more reliable skill.

Don’t bolas miss a lot too?

Certain slow projectiles miss a lot by nature of projectiles. You can minimize the effect by using them intelligently.

Charge and leap skills are a problem that effects multiple classes. Odds are the fix is complex. It’ll come in time, and in the interim, play smart to minimize the effect.

Fast Hands could definitely use a fix. However, its overall effect is, for the most part, quite minimal. I use it, and I’ll probably always use it because of how it plays. I’m affected too. The fix will come, but having an extra 5 second weapon swap cooldown a few times pales in comparison to things like Epidemic having infinite range and the bugs that plague certain tPvP maps.

If you have a spark of rationality in you, you’ll accept the Warrior class, you’ll deal with it like a champion, and you’ll take the fixes when they come. You’ll keep posting new bugs and updating the bug thread with the current state. You’ll treat the situation like a rational being, and do your part to fix the situation.

Or you’ll cry and bleat like petty, jaded children.

Your move.

@Cogbyrn
This isn’t a question to dealing with it. It’s just that there’s bugs about the warrior, and we’re not seeing anything about fixing, or balancing warrior (classes aren’t balanced yet, don’t tell me that).
And as we’re a melee class, our skills to get in range of hitting (leap, rush) are important. It would really help for them not to be broken.

Or, you can be Cogbyrn. Basically telling everyone to suck it up, warrior isn’t as important as other classes.

Noone is complaining, it’s just sad to see everything but us getting bug fixes. When most of them are relatively simple fixes. Rush could be fixed by making it like ranger’s great sword movement ability. The only problem with Ranger’s GS skill is missing due to height, which they are actively working on.

Cogbyrn.7283:

Certain slow projectiles miss a lot by nature of projectiles. You can minimize the effect by using them intelligently.

You mean like when we are both crippled, he’s 5 feet in front of me and it misses?

Also, could you do everyone else a favor and try not to be so narcissistic in the future, thanks.

Honestly the only time bola ever works consistantly is when I bull rush them/shield stun them and then drop it on the straight away. So basically I have to be on top of them and they’re not moving.

Longbow 5 misses all the time, axe 3, gs 5. In fact most things a warrior needs to close down kiters misses.

Most of the warrior’s problems aren’t Warrior specific. Abilities missing is an issue that’ll be fixed for every skill of that type. If it were an easy fix, it would have been fixed by now.

@ Fozee
really… abilities missing, your going with that excuse, please go read the bugs in the main bug page, and that goes for everyone, its not only one problem its weapon attacks, utility spells, and traits, they are all messed up, and its not that they even tried to fix one or two and said we are going to fix the rest in the next patch, we are an ignored class

thats not the only part, if you look into the character design, animation of abilites of warriors, and compare it to the rest, the warrior is by far THE WOREST. who ever made the class was in a rush or just hated his assignment. and now plainly ignoring the class not to fix anything in it.

its not that i want to rage on it, Anet are pushing us to do it, look at the traits, some of the bugs were reported over a month ago, and are still not fixed, (something before Jon made that post) and if you want to go into defense the best traits for defense are broken and reported, yet not fixed, so… you have to choose other traits that are not as good just to compensate for it or go a different path. while if you go PURE dps, most of the traits are broken, yay us, yet again, and I ask you, did you report it, or are you hoping for Anet to just fix it some day when they notice it??? no we all reported it, and yet we have yet to see any changes, and any responce, but let us rage as we go and hate the things that are broken, and hope that someday it will be fixed.

zTales.4392:

If they could just fix Fast Hands … I’d be happy… >.<

Same, this has been bugged since launch and it’s getting kind of annoying :/

Seriously…. seriously? I don’t even know what to say I’m so disappointed and angry that I’m starting to miss blizzard. FIX some things for warriors next patch k thanks…

The squeaky wheel gets the grease.

Apparently warriors haven’t been vocal enough.

Angry Necromancers I guess….

https://forum-en.gw2archive.eu/forum/pvp/pvp/I-play-a-necro-but-I-traid-a-warrior-for-one-play-session/first

Go read their bug thread, literally a full third of their abilities are broken and do not function correctly or at all.

go read the patch notes, they got the most fixes.

Because they needed the most fixes. When a class doesn’t work a full third of the time, they deserve to be prioritized over one that only has a few issues.

@Excretus : Exactly, and most of them are now fixed or being fixed. What about ours ? Nothing.

Will be ANet like all other developers around the world that hates warriors so much!? Why warriors?? WHYYY????

It is pretty simple they are priortizing, there are certain classes that are bordering on completely broken (Necro) and others that have more bugs and/or are simply in a worse place.

As for the gap closer issues, they are occuring on similar skills on lots of classes, so in all likelyhood it is a big fix that may require big changes.

@Sylosi : I agree on the fact that Necro is more broken, or that the level issue for charge is complex to fix.
But look at Fast Hands. It reduces the cooldown of the swap. That’s something very simple, yet broken since the release of the game. I doubt we are the class with the less bugs, and yet, we’re the one with 0 fix.

I agree with PanH, there are tons of bugs on warriors that have not even mentioned about a possible fix ._.

We’re acting as if it isn’t only a month into the game’s Live existence. Some other classes need way more help, so they’re getting tweaked first. Expecting a massive amount of work done in a month is ridiculous, in most games it would be entirely acceptable for NO balance patches to come out yet, rather in another 2 months.

Don’t even bring up Blizzard, they left HUGE class problems in for over 5 years.

To be fair most of the profession updates are just bug fixes. I imagine they won’t be doing any real balancing until several months from now, once they feel things have settled into a definite meta. They stated they were “most happy with the Warrior’s current state,” across professions, so look to be disappointed for a very long time.

I keep hoping to one day wake up and see in the patch notes, “Warrior traits now actually do something, instead of just increasing damage.” or “Integrated stability into more trait behaviors to make Balanced Stance not a mandatory skill in sPvP,” or one of a hundred other minor problems Warriors have. Unfortunately, I don’t think they even understand most of these problems yet. In their mind, our profession is now perfect. Which is depressing.

I agree with Plague, but the issue here is most about these bugs.
@ Fozee : The warrior class has bugs, maybe not as much as other classes, but we do have a lot. I’m not expecting balance that early in the game live, but bug fixing. And the fact is that we’re left behind in that domain. You can’t say otherwise.
I’m not talking about the charge/height issue, which looks complex and (I think) has more to do with the game’s motor, but about many more simple functioning stuff, like some traits, skills which are bugged.

I agree, warrior should have more bugs so they can be patched so we can make a presence in the update notes

I love how MMO game forums are always filled with armchair software engineers who think fixing bugs is an easy thing.

Bugs are prioritized and triaged. Warrior’s literally have no class breaking bugs right now. Other classes do. Also, what you may think is a simple thing IE. “Fast Hands” may very well exceeding complex and “fixing” it may end up breaking another system.

If it were an easy fix, it’d be done already. Either Warrior’s are going to receive a major update in an upcoming patch, which is why no fixes have been implemented… or the bugs pertaining to the Warrior class are in actuality, very difficult to fix or not as important as other bugs.

Patience is a virtue.

I’m pretty happy with Warrior, and I hope they don’t change it too much.

My only complaints are the bugs, but those can be fixed.

Let’s hope bug fixes are the only changes, because as it stands, Warriors seem to be the happiest profession in the game with sooooo many kitten options! ;D

Ragnar Dragonfyre.1806:

I love how MMO game forums are always filled with armchair software engineers who think fixing bugs is an easy thing.

Bugs are prioritized and triaged. Warrior’s literally have no class breaking bugs right now. Other classes do. Also, what you may think is a simple thing IE. “Fast Hands” may very well exceeding complex and “fixing” it may end up breaking another system.

If it were an easy fix, it’d be done already. Either Warrior’s are going to receive a major update in an upcoming patch, which is why no fixes have been implemented… or the bugs pertaining to the Warrior class are in actuality, very difficult to fix or not as important as other bugs.

Patience is a virtue.

Cheers.

We’re acting as if it isn’t only a month into the game’s Live existence. Some other classes need way more help, so they’re getting tweaked first. Expecting a massive amount of work done in a month is ridiculous, in most games it would be entirely acceptable for NO balance patches to come out yet, rather in another 2 months.

Don’t even bring up Blizzard, they left HUGE class problems in for over 5 years.

Uhh…in what modern AAA budget MMO is it ok to not have bug fixes or balance changes for three months? You’re right that the warrior bugs aren’t class breaking but you’re a fool if you think it’s ok to leave bugs and game-breaking things in for 1/4 of a year. Also what problems did Blizzard have for 5 years exactly, I’m curious as to what you’re talking about.

I’m going to go with: because most of our broken stuff is annoying, not really play impacting. Warriors are in a very good place still.

Fast hands (and the one about stance, e.g.) are only cooldown or duration issue. Which means only programming issues about ONE related action (well, there’s different stances). There are game mechanics far more complicated, far more complex, that works (or have been fixed).
Compared to a engine issue (leap, etc), an animation issue, a server issue, it is very simple. And yet, trait non functioning are important. Maybe you don’t see them as important, but what if I would like to play with those traits (they’re not the only one) ?

Except Necro, I don’t see much class breaking bugs atm, please quote something maybe. (And I’m NOT talking about balance issue). I’m sorry but there’s no reason that there’s no bug fixing for the warrior.

About the major update, that won’t come in a while for any class, the game is still as it start.

And please don’t be contemptuous.

There is a reason for not bug fixing the Warrior (yet).

Our bugs are not as game breaking or important as other more serious issues. The bugs we have are generally an annoyance and don’t prevent you from playing the class as intended.

Warrior’s aren’t on the top of the priority list because we’re far more functional than other parts of the game. Is it really that hard to understand?

Warrior’s are that kid with the overprotective parents in the ER with a cough. It sucks that we have to wait for treatment behind that dude who’s bleeding profusely, but that’s how it is.

I recall the Rangers complaining about this same exact thing last patch. Not every class needs to be reworked every single patch, or even every other patch. Chill out.

Battle Standard bug is the worst, by far imo. It has such a massive cooldown and it goes on it’s full cooldown even if I get interrupted or I interrupt it myself by dodge rolling.

Sad Panda

@Ragnar : Have you looked in the other classes bugs ?
Necro got major ones, and it’s normal they’re debugged first. But else, apart from Ranger and Ele that looks to have a bit more issues, there’s no game breaking bug as you’re saying. Please look into before saying such things.

If they rush the fixes, it will only cause worse bugs.

Kain Francois.4328:

I’m pretty happy with Warrior, and I hope they don’t change it too much.

My only complaints are the bugs, but those can be fixed.

Let’s hope bug fixes are the only changes, because as it stands, Warriors seem to be the happiest profession in the game with sooooo many kitten options! ;D

Pretty much how I feel. I’m really happy with my warrior right now.

PanH.1957

@Ragnar : Have you looked in the other classes bugs ?
Necro got major ones, and it’s normal they’re debugged first. But else, apart from Ranger and Ele that looks to have a bit more issues, there’s no game breaking bug as you’re saying. Please look into before saying such things.

Yes, I have “looked into” other bugs, but I always take these things with a grain of salt. Players typically have no clue about balance. They have very specific tunnel vision towards their preferred class. If your entire understanding of what’s “broken” is derived from complaints you’ve read on this board, then you can’t make any claims one way or another as to what needs to be fixed first.

None of us have access to the game design docs, class data and bug data parsed from gameplay and internal testing. Very few, if any of us, have a masterful understanding of how each class interacts with one another. Not one of us can know what ANet’s intentions are for class balance. Only ANet can see the “big picture” and they work towards it with a methodical approach fixing what they believe to need fixing most first.

I don’t claim to know what priority to place on fixes either, but I am not so self-absorbed as to think that MY class needs fixing RIGHT NOW because of a few minor bugs, which is how the majority of these posts play out.

PanH.1957:

@Ragnar : Have you looked in the other classes bugs ?
Necro got major ones, and it’s normal they’re debugged first. But else, apart from Ranger and Ele that looks to have a bit more issues, there’s no game breaking bug as you’re saying. Please look into before saying such things.

Hey dude chill out. You are way too over the top. They will fix it when it gets fixed. If you want to cry for half an hour, do it to their support techs who get paid to read people cry to them all day about issues. Anet knows there are bugs and problems. There is a page dedicated to it. It’s been mentioned. All these things have. Wait for a fix and relax on responding to anyone who tells you to just wait for your turn.

We are going to get a fix. Quoting every post and crying about how unfair it is that our not really too broken yet still broken mechanics aren’t fixed yet after we all read what you said the other 20 posts won’t do anything to change how fast we will get the fix. We get it, now chill.

@Ragnar : Once again, this has nothing to do with class balance. I don’t make claim or whatever about prio bugs. And please don’t overdo what I said. We have bugs, as every class. Surely not as much as some broken classes, but we do. And yet no fixes for now. That will come, because I doubt Anet suddenly decide that warrior was a bad idea and that they should left it as it is. In fact, they couldn’t even if they wanted. But the fact is, warriors would like to play with less bugs (as everyone).

@ Tomas : I’m not crying or whatever, if you’re just here to say : “stop whining, we’ll get a fix”, we already know that, and that’s not the point. If you had read what I said in the “20 posts”, you would have understand what I mean.