Guild Wars 2

What are your thoughts of using this shout. I think its a very good skill because it gives 10 stack vulnerability which equates to 10% more damage. Isnt doing an additional 10% damage almost equate to 7-8 stacks of might…..about an additional 250 power to achieve this?

it stands up on its own, but compared to fgj and shake it off, it’s not as good. and shout warriors tend to take stability as a third utility, which leaves no room for on my mark.

Not as good as Shake it off? Magikarp is as good as shake it off……

On My Mark can be useful in a spike build, although I’ve hardly seen it in use other then sniping. Snipers don’t care much about surviving anyways, it’s just for lolz. In a glass cannon build that’s more serious, you usually take utility to stay alive, escape or secure stomps, etc.

It’s a great shout for boss fights.

It’s a terrible shout for boss fights. Bosses have 1/2 vuln duration, so in a normal dungeon build you get 10 stacks for 3.5 seconds. On a long cool down. Whoop de doo. The only time I use it is for Lupicus to make sure we have 25 stacks on him for the Feedback. Otherwise it’s rubbish.

It’s good as a short CD heal for shout warriors I suppose. It’s what, 20s with traits?

Nike Porphyrogenita.8137:

It’s a terrible shout for boss fights. Bosses have 1/2 vuln duration, so in a normal dungeon build you get 10 stacks for 3.5 seconds. On a long cool down. Whoop de doo. The only time I use it is for Lupicus to make sure we have 25 stacks on him for the Feedback. Otherwise it’s rubbish.

but it heals

OMM sucks, that above is pretty much the only time I use the skill. I also run with eles who take care of most of the vuln stacking, along with the guardian and my own axe/mace skills (not to mention that OMM is single target whereas most other sources of vuln are aoe)

GFJ and SIO are both fantastic shouts. OOM is fairly weak, but it has it’s uses.

For example, some Zerker-Sniper builds pop OOM and Might Signet during the killshot cast, for +10% damage and unblockable.

For an actual shout build, it’s fairly lame, which is ironic.

Nike Porphyrogenita.8137:

It’s a terrible shout for boss fights. Bosses have 1/2 vuln duration, so in a normal dungeon build you get 10 stacks for 3.5 seconds. On a long cool down. Whoop de doo. The only time I use it is for Lupicus to make sure we have 25 stacks on him for the Feedback. Otherwise it’s rubbish.

Meh, I focus on Vulnerability, so I can see why just OMM seems bad to you.

Faranox.4217:

Nike Porphyrogenita.8137:

It’s a terrible shout for boss fights. Bosses have 1/2 vuln duration, so in a normal dungeon build you get 10 stacks for 3.5 seconds. On a long cool down. Whoop de doo. The only time I use it is for Lupicus to make sure we have 25 stacks on him for the Feedback. Otherwise it’s rubbish.

Meh, I focus on Vulnerability, so I can see why just OMM seems bad to you.

I focus on being good, so I can see why you would think OMM is good.

To be honest, sometimes I don’t know what else to take in a boss fight.

Say I go banner of discipline and fgj and another warrior has banner of strength covered … what do you take in your third slot? I’ve started just using the precision signet because 180+ precision is crazy good.

On My Mark does have a weird habit of popping aegis on enemies you cast it on btw…not sure if that’s intended, but it’s a nifty way of not only debuffing a person, but removing their buff block without actually hitting them.

colesy.8490:

To be honest, sometimes I don’t know what else to take in a boss fight.

Say I go banner of discipline and fgj and another warrior has banner of strength covered … what do you take in your third slot? I’ve started just using the precision signet because 180+ precision is crazy good.

signet of fury is apparently better than OMM/Frenzy, so I always use it.

only time I use OMM is for lupi and nightmare tree (rip TAFU)

I thought of a new effect for OMM that would make it actually worth bringing.

On My Mark – Maintains Current functionality. Now Causes your and affected allies’ next attack to be a critical and unblockable.

This allows for improved coordinated strikes and is congruent with the skill’s name,

It’s basically + 50% more damage in a dungeon group

guanlongwucaii.3162:

signet of fury is apparently better than OMM/Frenzy, so I always use it.

only time I use OMM is for lupi and nightmare tree (rip TAFU)

It’s not quite that black and white, most people just choose to use signet of fury everywhere because they are lazy. It is the best general option and has passive effect. In reality all 3 of them have their strengths, frenzy in short fights without timewarp and omm in single target fights where high vuln isn’t otherwise provided while also benefitting from the fight being short.

kokiman.2364:

It’s basically + 50% more damage in a dungeon group

Nope, it’s 10% more damage.
If everyone in your group deals 1000 damage 10% more damage would be 1100, so your whole group deals 5500 instead of 5000; that’s 10% more.

If you’re the only Warrior in your party Banners and “FgJ!” will almost always be the better option.
If there’s more than one Warrior “On My Mark!” is even worse. One Warrior can already inflict almost 10 stacks of Vulnerability with Axe #2, Mace #4 and maybe some Greatsword auto attacks, with two or three Warriors you’ll hit the cap.

Signet of Fury is something like a 4-5% dps increase for you, always on.

Frenzy is a 50% dps increase for you, but only for fights that last 5 seconds. for a 10 second fight its only a 25% increase, and so on. the break point where Frenzy is dumb to use is around 15-20 seconds. more than that and it’s a dps loss.

OMM is a 3.5 second buff that gives 10% partywide. It’s worse than frenzy in any fight lasting around 15 seconds.

Which is to say, in any boss fight that will last longer than 15 seconds you are most likely best off with Signet of Fury/Might unless there are special circumstances like lupi feedback.

Doesn’t OMM last 6.5s with typical warrior build?

haviz.1340:

Doesn’t OMM last 6.5s with typical warrior build?

Oh I think you’re right. That makes it roughly equal to Frenzy when not factoring in the cool down. If your team can get 16+ vuln stacks without OMM it’s not even equal to Frenzy.

That gives OMM the potential to outperform frenzy though. Also there are rare occasion, mainly fractals on high lvl, where you fight single enemies without vuln duration reduction long enough to potentially make OMM a good choice.

If we expect vuln not to be overwritten during OMM it also gives roughly 2% partywide dmg increase over 30s period against bosses and double that against other targets, which in a high damage group outperforms signet by a lot. Yes, having regularly vuln stacks that low in such a party is questionable, but expected 30s time period also means 2% dmg increase is the minimum of increase, with the potential to go all the way up to roughly 10% in short fights and, for example, up to 3,5% in a 37s fight.

I still stick to my last opinion of only signet being the lazy (or maybe ignorant) choice. There is room for all of those 3 in terms of reaching the best results, and they aren’t as situational as people make them out to be.

I don’t really use signet everywhere, but for the most part the teams I run with don’t need more vuln (because of our eles).

question – would Frenzy be better than signet when fiery rushing alpha? (assuming a 2 ele 1 warr 1 guard 1 mes comp)

a general guideline on when to use sig/frenzy/omm would also be nice. AFAIK signet = best for general trash mobs and when there is TW/sufficient vuln in fight. Frenzy = short fight without TW. OMM = when vuln is needed (??)

I find OMM to be very useful when you don’t have high vulnerability stack up time. My guild doesn’t have your perfect might/vulnerability stacking group. So when we have 2 Warrior’s I bring OMM instead of Frenzy or Signet of Fury (unless it’s not a boss) because I figure everyone doing 10% more damage to the boss is better than just me doing 50% more damage for around the same amount of time with a longer cool down, or just me getting a precision increase.