Guild Wars 2

A lot of people have the mindset that Condi warriors are not high end tpvp material and generally state that other classes can pump out more condi’s, aoe and at a distance. This is true. But these classes can not also put out aoe crit like abilities such as Longbow 3 for 3-5k or final thrust on a rezzing group who are under 50% for 4-6.5k.

These other classes also hit for say 2-400+shorter interval condi conditions (crits included) auto attacks at most, while sword can dish out 500-1100 +1-1300k bleed.

I’d argue that if you get hit with a condi warrior’s combo you will be at 1/2 health faster than some of the other condi classes combo’s (although the fear necro’s combos are pretty nasty if your not a warrior).

People also complain that because its so few conditions (poison, burn, tourment, bleed, immobilize, cripple, blind is not a few in my opinion) and that your damage will just get cleansed. Well this aint true in 1v1 duel arena’s minus a class or two that is not practical in tpvp anyways and in a team environment you have your allies conditions on top of yours making your damage stick more.

The class also has the ability regularly immobilize targets if played right (much like the cc warrior bug granted not as good, but sometimes a little better since stunbreakers dont work).

AOE fire field for a multitude of combos, thats up every 7ish seconds and even in between you can immobilize people with flurry (which itself can do 3-7ish K depending on if they are stuck the whole time).

The key is you have to play very aggressive and you can do this with 2 endure pains, beserker stance,timed dodges and sword block w/reflect. Your team also can be a little more free to do what they need if your becoming the focus.

Not saying engi’s and necros are worse by any means, but there is a place for condi warrior in a team.

chill, cripple, poison, burn, torment, immobilize, fear, blind, weakness, bleed with huge aoe from far(if you do count those blind or support conditions as a part of condition build which every other build have and spam able, ok). and Feast of Corruption.

Lighter.5631:

chill, cripple, poison, burn, torment, immobilize, fear, blind, weakness, bleed with huge aoe from far(if you do count those blind or support conditions as a part of condition build which every other build have and spam able, ok). and Feast of Corruption.

What you say is true, but does not make what condi warriors bring ineffective+their burst raw damage capacity.

Zenyoga.6910:

Lighter.5631:

chill, cripple, poison, burn, torment, immobilize, fear, blind, weakness, bleed with huge aoe from far(if you do count those blind or support conditions as a part of condition build which every other build have and spam able, ok). and Feast of Corruption.

What you say is true, but does not make what condi warriors bring ineffective+their burst raw damage capacity.

what you say is also true, but its not what condi war bring is ineffective, is that they dont bring enough+high end pvp is not just about burst raw damage

Lighter.5631:

Zenyoga.6910:

Lighter.5631:

chill, cripple, poison, burn, torment, immobilize, fear, blind, weakness, bleed with huge aoe from far(if you do count those blind or support conditions as a part of condition build which every other build have and spam able, ok). and Feast of Corruption.

What you say is true, but does not make what condi warriors bring ineffective+their burst raw damage capacity.

what you say is also true, but its not what condi war bring is ineffective, is that they dont bring enough+high end pvp is not just about burst raw damage

I would argue thakittens the condi+raw damage that makes them an interesting/alternative/workable choice. No other condi class brings the combination.

If the sword was 900m range I would agree with you, however warriors are easy to kite and my necromancer’s scepter outdamages it with condition damage. Hilarious right?

Don’t listen to me though, I love fighting lolconditionwarriors, its like a free kill to my daily. <3

Conditions are broken anyone can abuse them right now.

u cant have both good Condi and Raw dmg or you will be a glass one.

u have to pick one of it and the rest go to your defensive stats.

Daecollo.9578:

If the sword was 900m range I would agree with you, however warriors are easy to kite and my necromancer’s scepter outdamages it with condition damage. Hilarious right?

Don’t listen to me though, I love fighting lolconditionwarriors, its like a free kill to my daily. <3

^^

Condi warrior is a novelty build. I can see it as a change of pace but it’s kill ability seems lacking to me.

The large amount of damage comes from auto attacking to bleed stack, then your supplemental damage from the torment sword throw. The bow is lulz imo who is seriously going to stand in that big red ring of fire long enough to take serious burn damage. It’s not rapid fire of different types of conditions its like a slow draw of conditions here a condition there.

I just feel its lacking. I don’t say this about many builds because they usually stand up to an alternative from another class something about them that is unique. The condi warrior just doesnt have it if you really want condi just roll another class. Unless the war is your only class or you just want a change of pace from damage and have money to blow(WvW) on apothecary

Punny.9210:

u cant have both good Condi and Raw dmg or you will be a glass one.

u have to pick one of it and the rest go to your defensive stats.

I’m not sure if your aware, but in tpvp you can have 1870 power base, with 1020 condition damage. Pluse the build can easily maintain 6-8 might stacks making you pretty much at 2200ish power and 1200ish condition damage, no other condi build does this.

Also to ozii, if you are fighting for a point, you are gonig to be eating a lot of burn stacks from the field if you want to hold it, and the least amount of the builds damage comes from sword auto attack, you should try playing it before you conclude.

Zenyoga.6910:

I would argue thakittens the condi+raw damage that makes them an interesting/alternative/workable choice. No other condi class brings the combination.

Lighter.5631:

is that they dont bring enough

Daecollo.9578:

If the sword was 900m range I would agree with you, however warriors are easy to kite and my necromancer’s scepter outdamages it with condition damage. Hilarious right?

Don’t listen to me though, I love fighting lolconditionwarriors, its like a free kill to my daily. <3

Pray you do not encounter me in WvW.

oZii.2864:

Daecollo.9578:

If the sword was 900m range I would agree with you, however warriors are easy to kite and my necromancer’s scepter outdamages it with condition damage. Hilarious right?

Don’t listen to me though, I love fighting lolconditionwarriors, its like a free kill to my daily. <3

^^

Condi warrior is a novelty build. I can see it as a change of pace but it’s kill ability seems lacking to me.

The large amount of damage comes from auto attacking to bleed stack, then your supplemental damage from the torment sword throw. The bow is lulz imo who is seriously going to stand in that big red ring of fire long enough to take serious burn damage. It’s not rapid fire of different types of conditions its like a slow draw of conditions here a condition there.

I just feel its lacking. I don’t say this about many builds because they usually stand up to an alternative from another class something about them that is unique. The condi warrior just doesnt have it if you really want condi just roll another class. Unless the war is your only class or you just want a change of pace from damage and have money to blow(WvW) on apothecary

Actually you are wrong on most parts. Sure, you might not be able to kill people as fast as burst builds, but for certain classes you may not be able to kill them at all while a condition warrior can. If you play it right you can kill somebody pretty fast because of the amount of builds you can stack in a short amount of time.

And a large amount of damage does not come from auto attacks, who is seriously going to stand there and let you do sword auto attacks on them. Longbow auto attacks are too slow to stack any appreciable number of stacks of bleeds.

Most of your damage comes from your pin down on Longbow, combustive shot (if you immobilize somebody and put the field down you can easily get a few seconds of burning), Flurry from the sword, Fire shield (Combustive Shot + Leap).

Supplementary sources of DPS are the sigil of doom (which poison and act as a placeholder for conditions), Arcing Arrow (still does 1-3K dmg), Final Thrust (roughly the same as Arcing Arrow), Fan of Fire and the occasional auto attacks. While minor, they all add up during a fight.

Auto attacks are such a minor part of my DPS that i don’t even carry the 60% chance to bleed on crit on my sword. I’d much rather extra bleed duration.

Condition builds are excellent roamer builds in WvW and decent in 1v1, however in tPvP warriors are hardly the AoE condition nukes that engis and necros are.

I like sword 4 (torment) because it is a torment that reapplies itself. So even if they do cleanse it, the stacks will build up again (from 2-5). And usually the cd on the skill is ready for use as the last 2 stacks from using it previously are about to come off cd. When it comes to condi pressure, warrior constantly gives out 4 stacks or more of longlasting bleed, immobalizes, and torment, aoe burn that is also on a short cd.

In WvW I also bring the new rune of perplexity (4p bonus) in my condi roam build, and its absolutely ripping other roamers apart.

Zenyoga.6910:

Punny.9210:

u cant have both good Condi and Raw dmg or you will be a glass one.

u have to pick one of it and the rest go to your defensive stats.

I’m not sure if your aware, but in tpvp you can have 1870 power base, with 1020 condition damage. Pluse the build can easily maintain 6-8 might stacks making you pretty much at 2200ish power and 1200ish condition damage, no other condi build does this.

Also to ozii, if you are fighting for a point, you are gonig to be eating a lot of burn stacks from the field if you want to hold it, and the least amount of the builds damage comes from sword auto attack, you should try playing it before you conclude.

With longbow#3, rage, sigil, warhorn#5, banner, and stomp. You are at 20 stacks of might. Aura gets you do 25. If you use the banner that gives 170 power and condition, that is like having 5 more stacks. Necros are the only class that will give you trouble. Just not a good fight since they counter the boons and can throw those awesome conditions back on you. Most others you can go toe-to-toe with. Works really well if people are fighting on objectives and do not move.