Passives killed the warrior star

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Posted by: CntrlAltDefeat.1465

CntrlAltDefeat.1465

After 18 months away from the game I decided to see what, if anything had changed.

After 30-40 PvP matches, the resounding question I have to ask is..how does warrior deal with all the passives now?

Running hammer/mace against an engineer I got 7 immune prompts, but never once did they use stability.

Against ele 4 immune’s to control/daze skills..most conditions gave the immune prompt as well.

I am even getting immune’s from mesmers who don’t appear to be in distortion.

I haven’t for a long time wanted to compete seriously in this game. These days it is just for fun..but seriously, how does one even have fun with a warrior anymore when so much of what we do others are immune to with no indicator? It is reasonable i would waste a pommel bash to remove a passive defense before an earth shaker or skull crack..if only i knew there was a passive there to begin with.

To the vets,..surely there is some indicator, ….any indicator for a player to know what endless amount of passives people are running?

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Posted by: Barret.4095

Barret.4095

funny you’re complaining about passives when warriors are the king of passives.

“For those whose time and dedication went above and beyond, only to achieve mediocrity”

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Posted by: Azure.8670

Azure.8670

funny you’re complaining about passives when warriors are the king of passives.

came here to say this

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Posted by: FatRaKoon.1782

FatRaKoon.1782

funny you’re complaining about passives when warriors are the king of passives.

came here to say this

Well… Seems like I’m late too.

Seriously, 30-40 PvP matches and never realize that warrior has passive invul AND stab (on quite short CD) that have no animation whatsoever (just a little blinking logo drowned in all those condis/boons). I’m not even speaking about warrior having the one and only Healing Signet and Adrenal Health…

As a warrior main for a long time, I am utterly shocked !

But to seriously answer your question though : how to deal with passive as a warrior ?
If you really are talking about passives invul, know that they all pop when target reaches 20/25% HP. So knowing that, you just count in your head, like you do for stealth, and time your finishing blow for when it stops. It’s quite easy really when you get the hang of it.
Vampirism runes and Engi auto-Elixir S are deathtraps if you deal with them correctly.

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Posted by: CntrlAltDefeat.1465

CntrlAltDefeat.1465

Thanks for the response. Dealing with other warrior passives is not an issue. When their passive traited stances activate, i can see the stability or endure pain icons. In these states the stability can be removed, and endure only have saves their butt. With professions like engineer their shrink form is clearly visible..so no issue here again.
I am referring to the passives like you headbutt a ranger and it say “immune.” I understand they can trait the pet to take disabling effects and multiple professions can do this in various ways..the deeper responses I am looking for when professions are now resisting multiple forms of attack with no indicators whatsoever present and the duration they can resist them for, the short down time before they’re doing it again has become overwhelming. Before returning to gw2 I had logged approximately 3500-4000 matches. In the 30-40 Ive played since back there has been a dramatic rise in how often and from who I see “immune-immune-immune.” I recognised a passive was in effect..but in warrior a icon or dissipating logo will flash long enough for you to know. With every other profession there is very few, if any tells.

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Posted by: Thuggernaut.1250

Thuggernaut.1250

I think you’re running into a lot of Eles with Diamond Skin. It is kind of irritating that you have no way to tell if they use Diamond Skin until you try to condi them.

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Posted by: Shala.8352

Shala.8352

to be fair, all the passive defensive procs disadvantaged warrior much more than other classes, That’s because warrior rely on low number high damage high cooldown attacks.
meaning a guardian aegis auto popping from virtue of courage while you are hitting him with an heartshaker has better probability to be effective compared to a same proccing aegis situation occuring while facing a pew pew ranger or a mesmer, cuz their frequency of attacks is higher.
I mean, aegis procs while ranger is doing rapid fire, does the ranger cares about that?

Also i would like to add to those talking about automatic defy pain: defy pain dont proc to inv your damage, procs to avoid the damage after that hit. Means its much less random compared to other classes autoprocs like aegis from virtue of the guardian, blind from burning of the elementalist (or even blind on dodge of the elementalist), and to be fair mesmer evades you mentioned are much better mechanicaly than guardian and ele’s ones, cuz they require in facts a reaction from the opponent, like blind on shattering or f4 distortion, they all require a skill activation. There’s a reason a lot of warrior consider the defy pain proc a too late defensive tool, since when it procs you already took the damage. Also, defy pain wont proc if you eat a 25% higher damage, the reason i m getting more oneshot on warrior than other classes in the actual meta (actualy hitting warriors for a 9k-10k eviscerate, making their defy pain useless).

And no, there isnt any indicator for a player to know what endless amount of passives people are running. I know the amount of passive defence tools other class have can be really frustrating for a warrior to play, since you are just wasting a lot of skills, but that only makes warrior timing much more skilled based, so you can enjoy it, or not depending if you chosed warrior only cuz of noobs forum people saying it’s the easiest class in the game (well i guess it is… for pve)

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Posted by: Thaelias.7432

Thaelias.7432

Yeah warrior abilities don’t have the repeatability of most classes. The idea of burst skills to turn battle is highly disadvamtaged by spammable immunity passives.

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Posted by: FatRaKoon.1782

FatRaKoon.1782

Before returning to gw2 I had logged approximately 3500-4000 matches. In the 30-40 Ive played since back there has been a dramatic rise in how often and from who I see “immune-immune-immune.” I recognised a passive was in effect..but in warrior a icon or dissipating logo will flash long enough for you to know. With every other profession there is very few, if any tells.

Well, sadly, that can’t be denied. And as someone previously said, warriors are at a disadvantage with all those passive procs because except for GS 3, every skills we have hit only once. So passive blocks/blinds are much more effective to us than to rangers or other spamming classes. I mean, I think the worst that happened to me (and still happens sometimes) is fighting against a condi mesmer. With the number of blocks and blinds they have access to, they are almost out of reach. I remember when my attack got blocked and I instantly received a blind afterward. It’s two hits for nothing…