Guild Wars 2

So I’ve been really busy IRL lately and haven’t had a chance to test this myself, but with the recent change to King of Fires… I was curious if Powerful Synergy doubles the amount of burning applied from breaking the fire shield? Has anyone tested this yet?

No. First powerful synergy only applies to leap finishers. King of fires does not do leap finishers. Second, powerful synergy basically activates the leap finisher twice. When you leap a field the aura is applied when it ends you get a new field.

powerful synergy doesn’t grant you double auras, only one aura with double duration….
so you still only have one aura to shatter, so it’s still the same

emkelly.2371:

No. First powerful synergy only applies to leap finishers. King of fires does not do leap finishers. Second, powerful synergy basically activates the leap finisher twice. When you leap a field the aura is applied when it ends you get a new field.

I understand how both traits function individually, but I didn’t ask a totally spelled out question I guess… What I should have asked was “Would leaping in a fire field with Powerful Synergy (creating the fire aura) burst twice when critting with the new King of Flames?”

lighter.2708:

powerful synergy doesn’t grant you double auras, only one aura with double duration….
so you still only have one aura to shatter, so it’s still the same

With that being said, is the duration of the burning stacks from King of Fires increased b/c of Powerful Synergy? Or does the trait continue to ironically be horribly synergistic?

Thanks for the replies, btw.

Oh! in that case yes. When you use a Berserk skill (which is very poorly worded, what it means is when you use a Primal Burst Skill) you will detonate your fire aura. Then your second fire Aura will become activated. Then the next time you use a berserk skill THAT fire aura will detonate.

As for the second question. Yes and no. You get more burn stacks through the detonation and the fire aura itself, but you do not extend the burn duration. Each stack of burns goes off of your burn duration. you you could get them up to 7 seconds but every seven seconds you would drop a stack of burn. The two traits have synergy but not as well as we would all like.

emkelly.2371:

Oh! in that case yes. When you use a Berserk skill (which is very poorly worded, what it means is when you use a Primal Burst Skill) you will detonate your fire aura. Then your second fire Aura will become activated. Then the next time you use a berserk skill THAT fire aura will detonate.

As for the second question. Yes and no. You get more burn stacks through the detonation and the fire aura itself, but you do not extend the burn duration. Each stack of burns goes off of your burn duration. you you could get them up to 7 seconds but every seven seconds you would drop a stack of burn. The two traits have synergy but not as well as we would all like.

it’s actually every single skill associated with Berserker, including all torch skills and rage skills that will explode the fire aura. also I’m pretty sure that the trait aura icd gets put on cool down when you generate your own fire aura through leaps or tempest ally but i haven’t done too much testing

emkelly.2371:

Oh! in that case yes. When you use a Berserk skill (which is very poorly worded, what it means is when you use a Primal Burst Skill) you will detonate your fire aura. Then your second fire Aura will become activated. Then the next time you use a berserk skill THAT fire aura will detonate.

As for the second question. Yes and no. You get more burn stacks through the detonation and the fire aura itself, but you do not extend the burn duration. Each stack of burns goes off of your burn duration. you you could get them up to 7 seconds but every seven seconds you would drop a stack of burn. The two traits have synergy but not as well as we would all like.

I appreciate the thorough explanation, though again I’ll say that I understand the individual mechanics of the traits. In the end I was really hoping that ANet’s change to King of Fires included a stealth buff to Powerful Synergy, since it’s a pretty terrible trait and could use some love… I should have known better, haha.

Jzaku.9765:

it’s actually every single skill associated with Berserker, including all torch skills and rage skills that will explode the fire aura. also I’m pretty sure that the trait aura icd gets put on cool down when you generate your own fire aura through leaps or tempest ally but i haven’t done too much testing

From my understanding… once King of Fires gives you the fire aura through crits (no combos required by you) the trait itself won’t be able to proc the aura again until its ICD is up, but the trait will allow you to burst any fire aura and spread the burning with Berserker skills as fast as you can apply them.

There was another thread on here where a Warrior mentioned popping #5 on torch, and then Sundering Leaping to their target(proccing and bursting the fire aura), and then again quickly Sword #2ing in the Torch’s fire field (proccing the fire aura) and then bursting the aura again with either Headbutt or Torch #4 (I can’t remember right offhand). That’s an incredible amount of burning application! Especially if Rage skills are traited! That’s why the idea of Powerful Synergy giving a x2 Fire Aura would be AMAZING with the new King of Fires!

Ehh… We can always hope ANet will see this post and make it work. Until then… Powerful Synergy will continue being one of worst GM traits in the game.

Edit: Corrected Savage to Sundering

Mashedwarf.8235:

Jzaku.9765:

it’s actually every single skill associated with Berserker, including all torch skills and rage skills that will explode the fire aura. also I’m pretty sure that the trait aura icd gets put on cool down when you generate your own fire aura through leaps or tempest ally but i haven’t done too much testing

From my understanding… once King of Fires gives you the fire aura through crits (no combos required by you) the trait itself won’t be able to proc the aura again until its ICD is up, but the trait will allow you to burst any fire aura and spread the burning with Berserker skills as fast as you can apply them.

There was another thread on here where a Warrior mentioned popping #5 on torch, and then Savage Leaping to their target(proccing and bursting the fire aura), and then again quickly Sword #2ing in the Torch’s fire field (proccing the fire aura) and then bursting the aura again with either Headbutt or Torch #4 (I can’t remember right offhand). That’s an incredible amount of burning application! Especially if Rage skills are traited! That’s why the idea of Powerful Synergy giving a x2 Fire Aura would be AMAZING with the new King of Fires!

Ehh… We can always hope ANet will see this post and make it work. Until then… Powerful Synergy will continue being one of worst GM traits in the game.

I tested the trait cooldown in HotM by leaping through the torch 5 field and waiting for it to expire and then weapon swapping (in combat) to hit something with an int sigil proc and the trait worked despite having just generated a fire aura by other means.

It’s also worth noting that there is a slight delay before the aura detonates which means a berserker skill that crits can proc and immediately detonate an aura (in the case of blaze breaker anyway, I didn’t check others.)

Since the torch 5 field only lasts 5s it wouldn’t be possible to use savage leap through it twice without alacrity, but you could weapon swap to an axe/shield or bulls rush to trigger it again quickly.

Serval.6458:

I tested the trait cooldown in HotM by leaping through the torch 5 field and waiting for it to expire and then weapon swapping (in combat) to hit something with an int sigil proc and the trait worked despite having just generated a fire aura by other means.

That makes total sense since your first Fire Aura was created via a combo, and not by King of Fires. I think it’s the Trait’s crit-proccing aura that gets the ICD, so I don’t think it’s possible to back-to-back proc a fire aura from crits alone (before the ICD is over, that is)… but the trait allows you to burst any fire aura at any time.

Serval.6458:

Since the torch 5 field only lasts 5s it wouldn’t be possible to use savage leap through it twice without alacrity, but you could weapon swap to an axe/shield or bulls rush to trigger it again quickly.

Right. I mentioned the use of Sundering Leap and then Sword #2 for the second leap, which easily fits within Torch #5’s duration. Just clarifying.

Thanks for testing it out!

Edit: Corrected Savage to Sundering

only combo you can have a chance of pull of is do leap on fire field then use rage skill to shatter it then if by chance it crit you get other aura and you can use other rage skill to shatter the new one..

but it has no thing to do with powerful synergy, this trait is called powerful synergy but has no synergy at all for anything…

Mashedwarf.8235:

Serval.6458:

I tested the trait cooldown in HotM by leaping through the torch 5 field and waiting for it to expire and then weapon swapping (in combat) to hit something with an int sigil proc and the trait worked despite having just generated a fire aura by other means.

That makes total sense since your first Fire Aura was created via a combo, and not by King of Fires. I think it’s the Trait’s crit-proccing aura that gets the ICD, so I don’t think it’s possible to back-to-back proc a fire aura from crits alone (before the ICD is over, that is)… but the trait allows you to burst any fire aura at any time.

That was directed at the post you quoted saying that the King of Fires aura proc was incorrectly being put on cooldown when you gained fire aura from other means, which doesn’t seem to be the case.

Mashedwarf.8235:

Serval.6458:

Since the torch 5 field only lasts 5s it wouldn’t be possible to use savage leap through it twice without alacrity, but you could weapon swap to an axe/shield or bulls rush to trigger it again quickly.

Right. I mentioned the use of Savage Leap and then Sword #2 for the second leap, which easily fits within Torch #5’s duration. Just clarifying.

Thanks for testing it out!

Savage Leap is sword #2, hence I mentioned using it twice. Reading that again you said it burst the aura after making it, so I now assume you/they mean Sundering Leap.

Serval.6458:

That was directed at the post you quoted saying that the King of Fires aura proc was incorrectly being put on cooldown when you gained fire aura from other means, which doesn’t seem to be the case.

It’s complicated to write this without some confusion, but if you look back and reread what I typed, I said that the ICD only applies to the King of Fires procced Fire Aura. For example… if you start a fight, crit (proccing the Fire Aura), and then destroy the aura through Berserker skills… you won’t be able to crit proc the aura until the ICD is over. You will still be able to gain fire auras and break them via combos and other professions sharing them, though. (That’s so complicating to write, holy kitten!)

Serval.6458:

Savage Leap is sword #2, hence I mentioned using it twice. Reading that again you said it burst the aura after making it, so I now assume you/they mean Sundering Leap.

Whoops! I’ll correct this in my previous posts, b/c I did mean to put Sundering Leap. >.<