Guild Wars 2

I like ur style Korean Gamer, and for that I’m gonna test ur build out and give some feedback man.

Mojja~

you are gonna get bursted down without endure pain..

Change the GS to mace/shield or mace/horn and change the Banner to fear me you will mitigate some burst while being useful because Mace and Hammer doesn’t need damage to be useful. Just be a CC bot with decent burst mitigation and decent heals tbh. You will be useless if you CANT LAND YOUR STUNS but most of the time if you were good at landing Mace skills you will still be useful even with no damage.

Thing is though? Shouts only favor cleric/crusader/settlers. The Shouts GS + Hammer build will still be bad even with Zealot.

I’ve been using a similar spec to this but with GS/Longbow, Phalanx Strength, and 3 stances – one through trait. One thing I can say is that banners are proving to be quite beneficial in this meta because you cannot remove them from play once they are down.
Same with Empower Allies. Your build looks solid, I’d be interested to see it in action in a sustained fight.

Edit: Just watched the video, nice stuff dude! : J

i tried banners + shouts and crusaders a while back. clerics with fear me is just better. more cc, more support.

choovanski.5462:

i tried banners + shouts and crusaders a while back. clerics with fear me is just better. more cc, more support.

eh what weapon set did you use when you tried this?

BlackTruth.6813:

Change the GS to mace/shield or mace/horn and change the Banner to fear me you will mitigate some burst while being useful because Mace and Hammer doesn’t need damage to be useful. Just be a CC bot with decent burst mitigation and decent heals tbh. You will be useless if you CANT LAND YOUR STUNS but most of the time if you were good at landing Mace skills you will still be useful even with no damage.

Thing is though? Shouts only favor cleric/crusader/settlers. The Shouts GS + Hammer build will still be bad even with Zealot.

i tried what you recommended. But i cant lose gs to gather fury becuz banner only gives like only 15% crit chance. I at least need full-time fury so gs is kinda a must have for this kinda build. But yeah i would replace hammer with shield set to prepare for being stomped.

lighter.2708:

you are gonna get bursted down without endure pain..

i am thinking of having shield instead of hammer for this matter in fact. Or, use rampage instead of endure pain right before being stomped would be alternative way, which means i gonna only use rampage in team fight only but not in 1vs1 duel. This build is pretty good in 1vs1 without rampage already since a bunch of healing from shouts and banner and its high toughness. So i think i dont need to use rampage in 1vs1 but only in zerg team fight.

online.1278:

choovanski.5462:

i tried banners + shouts and crusaders a while back. clerics with fear me is just better. more cc, more support.

eh what weapon set did you use when you tried this?

http://gw2skills.net/editor/?vJAQNAneSj8cQlH25BueApIGqCKsAagAQ7hY/ByNorTBA-TZBHwAFOEAEOBALLDA4JA0b/BA

axe has the most damage in it’s auto, and throw axe is super useful for the immobilise. you can run sword if you want to rotate faster, or mace if you want to give up damage for stuns. I’ve run a lot of games with axe, and it’s my current preference but they all work.

this is the warrior bunker I’ve been playing in pvp. I’ve won a lot of games with it, and it’s really nice to play. it’s all about stunlocking the target, peeling, interrupting stomps and resses, and AOE support.

rampage is there for clutch stomps and resses. ideally you want to be able to finish > stomp > move to next target.

choovanski.5462:

online.1278:

choovanski.5462:

i tried banners + shouts and crusaders a while back. clerics with fear me is just better. more cc, more support.

eh what weapon set did you use when you tried this?

http://gw2skills.net/editor/?vJAQNAneSj8cQlH25BueApIGqCKsAagAQ7hY/ByNorTBA-TZBHwAFOEAEOBALLDA4JA0b/BA

axe has the most damage in it’s auto, and throw axe is super useful for the immobilise. you can run sword if you want to rotate faster, or mace if you want to give up damage for stuns. I’ve run a lot of games with axe, and it’s my current preference but they all work.

this is the warrior bunker I’ve been playing in pvp. I’ve won a lot of games with it, and it’s really nice to play. it’s all about stunlocking the target, peeling, interrupting stomps and resses, and AOE support.

rampage is there for clutch stomps and resses. ideally you want to be able to finish > stomp > move to next target.

Hm do you think having shield master is a must have trait if a person have shield in his off hand? I just wonder and wanna listen to your opiniom.

online.1278:

choovanski.5462:

online.1278:

choovanski.5462:

i tried banners + shouts and crusaders a while back. clerics with fear me is just better. more cc, more support.

eh what weapon set did you use when you tried this?

http://gw2skills.net/editor/?vJAQNAneSj8cQlH25BueApIGqCKsAagAQ7hY/ByNorTBA-TZBHwAFOEAEOBALLDA4JA0b/BA

axe has the most damage in it’s auto, and throw axe is super useful for the immobilise. you can run sword if you want to rotate faster, or mace if you want to give up damage for stuns. I’ve run a lot of games with axe, and it’s my current preference but they all work.

this is the warrior bunker I’ve been playing in pvp. I’ve won a lot of games with it, and it’s really nice to play. it’s all about stunlocking the target, peeling, interrupting stomps and resses, and AOE support.

rampage is there for clutch stomps and resses. ideally you want to be able to finish > stomp > move to next target.

Hm do you think having shield master is a must have trait if a person have shield in his off hand? I just wonder and wanna listen to your opiniom.

absolutely. the utility the trait provides is huge.

OK. I updated original post above and following is what updated and need to be tested.

Things to be tested later :
1. Using Rampage instead of having Endure Pain could be alternative way for incoming burst when zerging team fight. In this case, you will never use Rampage in situation holding less than 2vs2. (It means that you never use Rampage in 1vs1 or 2vs2 situation) But this build is already good in 1vs1 or 2vs2 with its powerful Shout+Banner heal so I don’t think we really need to use Rampage when it is about 1vs1 or 2vs2.

2. Equipping any main hand + off hand Shield or off hand Warhorn instead of Hammer could also be alternative way for incoming bust when zerging team fight. And it also needs to be tested if it can also win DD cele ele with banner. In this case, it need to be tested that if shield would work nicely without Shield Master trait. Maybe Shield Block -> Rampage -> Shield Block again would be good defensive tactics against incoming zerg burst dmg. To keep perma Fury, GS is a must have weapon.
-Axe/Shield
-Axe/Warhorn
-Mace/Shield
-Mace/Warhorn

I think we need to test for at least a month.
Well, it shouldn’t be in a hurry to make it stable build

Thank you very much for helping in developing the build, community!
Please suggest me anything that may be really helpful!!

I will be reporting regarding the things to be tested above whenever I realized something while testing in this post. If you realized something while testing, plz also let me know about your thought.

Thank you!

Can any1 explain me that using shield without having Shield Master trait is useful? I personally really didn’t play shield so far so I got like no experience in this theory.

My personal theory is that this build has pretty much toughness and healing from shout & banner & Heal signet. So I think only incoming damage I need to be aware of is stomping damage when targetted. So I only need to use Shield block skill only when that happens, which means i do not need cooldown time decrease of shield skill from its Shield Master trait becuz I am gonna only block critical stomping burst things I guess.

Thank you if you can give me your idea upon this theory.

i end up having to use shield block basically on cd in teamfights. there is a lot of burst and focus, and i don’t slot endure pain so the block and dodges are all i have.

if you are taking Defense and shield it’s the best choice for that slot. dogged march is just not as good. reflect, shorter cd on the block AND the stun, plus might on block. it’s too good to not take imo.

choovanski.5462:

i end up having to use shield block basically on cd in teamfights. there is a lot of burst and focus, and i don’t slot endure pain so the block and dodges are all i have.

if you are taking Defense and shield it’s the best choice for that slot. dogged march is just not as good. reflect, shorter cd on the block AND the stun, plus might on block. it’s too good to not take imo.

Hi. I tried GS/Axe-Shield for several hours (but with strength trait line. I didn’t have Shield Master. And also, I switched Heightened Focus to Burst Mastery)

My feedback is, it’s pretty good. I could be able to block some incoming burst. What I did is like, Shield Block->Heal Signet->Rampage and it turned the each team fight into winning situation. But there were also problem, such as unblockable fear, it will disband my shield block being casted. But it was always resulted in Best Result if I could be able to turn into Rampage Mode before getting any burst. But this is kinda very hard. You have to have very good eye on enemy’s overall movements.

From my perspective, having shield master or not wasn’t really problem. Becuz they get usually massed up when they failed to stomp their targetted one and it was their turn to be pwned.

In fact, I feel that the build actually works with any weapon sets that are well-known to be good only except Longbow and Rifle because it has no Cleasing Ire, and Rifle because it has no Fear Me to make a combo with KillShot.

By now, confirmed suitable weapon sets for this build are :
GS/Hammer
GS/Axe-Shield

Pretty sure those 2 weapon sets works fine with Banner Rampage Shout Build.

Thank you very much for your tips, and I will officially support weapon set you suggested for this build!!

Best Regards,
The Korean Gamer

online, I agree with your build’s logic.

I’ll try this one and the Shout King during this week.

The current meta forces warriors to act as rogues, to build as assassins to murder someone in seconds, but warriors should be Masters of the battlefield. Not only they should be hitting things, they should inspire allies and demoralize enemies.

I’m currently using a Shout warr, but I’m using rampage for 1v1 scenarios.
If I can, i avoid 1v1, better, if i cant, rampage is there.

Out of 1v1 scenarios, I’m always running with at least other teammate.

This allows me to play tanky and supportive, not leaving me useless against those “meta burst combos” that we see every match.

Ill try both builds and I’ll contribute here too.

I don’t think it will work…
low damage….low survival…low support..

lighter.2708:

I don’t think it will work…
low damage….low survival…low support..

I think damage is fine, it does more dmg than soldier zerker warrior. Just a bit less dmg than normal zerker warrior who is with marauder set. (watch my highlighted video)

And it also does support, less than Shout King or guardian bunker though. For this matter i am thinking of having cleric amulet as well.

About survivality, it has pretty good survivality when the fight is like 1vs1 or 2vs2 becuz of high toughness and frequent heal from shout and banner. But the real problem happens when it goes like zerg vs zerg taking more than 2vs2. I do not have endure pain that would let me keep me alive. So I get bursted down easily if I get targetted.

Like i said above, only problem is that incoming all-of-sudden burst. I completely realized it by fighting against The Abjured premade team.

Game flow was like, they took in stealth mode all together, and just attack 1 person all of sudden using their mic.

I think I just need to be in Rampage mode from the start becuz I know they are in stealth mode to kill haha and probably then they attack different person or just waste 15 sec rampage time with me. Or using Axe-Shield instead of hammer could be alternative solution.

Btw, after the first all-of-sudden burst, they worked like 2~3 people always go together to make other bursts until game ends. I only dueled Magic Toker bro and some guardian guy called Wunzy but I almost got them but was interrupted at the end though, but at that time I used GS/Sword-Warhorn for testing weapon sets if it fits into this banner shout build. So if i used gs/hammer it would would have been easier for me to duel, and also it always kept my hp always maintains higher than 50% in both duel. Anyway, at the end, I couldn’t be able to kill so this means these weapon set(gs/sword-warhorn) is bad so I commented out about it above. I cancelled out that weapons from the build.

It helped me in which way I should develop this build from now on. I will figure out something anyway.

Btw thx for reply! =)

bssbruno.1487:

online, I agree with your build’s logic.

I’ll try this one and the Shout King during this week.

The current meta forces warriors to act as rogues, to build as assassins to murder someone in seconds, but warriors should be Masters of the battlefield. Not only they should be hitting things, they should inspire allies and demoralize enemies.

I’m currently using a Shout warr, but I’m using rampage for 1v1 scenarios.
If I can, i avoid 1v1, better, if i cant, rampage is there.

Out of 1v1 scenarios, I’m always running with at least other teammate.

This allows me to play tanky and supportive, not leaving me useless against those “meta burst combos” that we see every match.

Ill try both builds and I’ll contribute here too.

Hi!!

I am very appreciated in a point that, you saying “warrior should be like Master of Battlefield (or Commander) that does many things but not just good at killing like thief”. I thought you were reading my intetnal thought XD.

And yes!! that is real core point when I try to make a build lol. Both Shout King and this build was designed based upon that theory in fact.

About your build that you run shout with rampage, i wonder about your build really, especially amulet.

Hope if you can provide me any essential info later!

Thank you very much for cooperation!!
I will look forward to your review.

Best Regards,
The Korean Gamer

Inflames.8026:

I like ur style Korean Gamer, and for that I’m gonna test ur build out and give some feedback man.

Mojja~

Ah, Thank you very much for reply.
I almost forgot it. I am sorry =(

Please forgive me.. =)
And also thank you very very much for your test and liking my style

Best Regards,
The Korean Gamer

on bunk warrior i like to start fights in axe/shield so i can block the opening burst then transition into earthshaker. the shout heal is also much better than signet, because on clerics it does 10k which is really useful for recovering from burst. I’ve had moments where im about to die, but i can kite just long enough to get the shout off and im saved. hammer stuns are also so important for reducing the incoming pressure on you and your team.

Ok, let’s compare this build against the previous ShoutKing you’ve posted…

IMPORTANT: I used it with Sword/Shield instead of Hammer.

I feel that this one is better overall, because even if the Banner have a higher CD, it is more useful overall than a Fear.
The problem is that we have to give up on Defense traits (and kitten , can’t tell you how I missed it), but it’s DO-able.

I’ve played a few matches this morning and honestly? I still feel weak.
Of course, it feels better and more useful than running with 3 stances smash the keyboard, but i honestly can’t evaluate how useful those support skills actually were, so I’m considering just “how I’ve felt” and “how many matches I’ve won”, but I can’t help to feel “getting carried” but other teammates.

About the amulet, I used Crusader and Cleric, but I need to do some more testing. As I’ve said, I was expecting to feel a bit “tankier”, but Life depleted faster than I was expecting. Cleric seems better overall, but, as I’ve said, I need more testing.

The build I’ve used: http://gw2skills.net/editor/?vJAQNAseRjMdQlH25B2eApIGICKLAigBQ/ipfKye4vXCA-TpBHwAEOBALLDA4IAY4BA0b/hBHCAA

I’ve changed one Sigil too… I can’t manage to stay alive battles enough to use Sigils that give bonuses for enemies killed.

EXTRA COMPLAINT:
Don’t mind me, really. Where I’m from (Brazil), GW2 is unplayable as Warrior.
The latency sucks SO MUCH, most of my skills can’t actually hit, because the target is not where I actually see them. Most of my Jump Skills move me, but aren’t able to do damage, for the same reason.

I was thinking a supportive build was going to make me feel “less useless” because of AoE support, but I’m disapointed. Aside for playing Staff Necro (which can lay Traps, so they will hit anyway), I can’t play sPvP properly.. =/

bssbruno.1487:

Ok, let’s compare this build against the previous ShoutKing you’ve posted…

IMPORTANT: I used it with Sword/Shield instead of Hammer.

I feel that this one is better overall, because even if the Banner have a higher CD, it is more useful overall than a Fear.
The problem is that we have to give up on Defense traits (and kitten , can’t tell you how I missed it), but it’s DO-able.

I’ve played a few matches this morning and honestly? I still feel weak.
Of course, it feels better and more useful than running with 3 stances smash the keyboard, but i honestly can’t evaluate how useful those support skills actually were, so I’m considering just “how I’ve felt” and “how many matches I’ve won”, but I can’t help to feel “getting carried” but other teammates.

About the amulet, I used Crusader and Cleric, but I need to do some more testing. As I’ve said, I was expecting to feel a bit “tankier”, but Life depleted faster than I was expecting. Cleric seems better overall, but, as I’ve said, I need more testing.

The build I’ve used: http://gw2skills.net/editor/?vJAQNAseRjMdQlH25B2eApIGICKLAigBQ/ipfKye4vXCA-TpBHwAEOBALLDA4IAY4BA0b/hBHCAA

I’ve changed one Sigil too… I can’t manage to stay alive battles enough to use Sigils that give bonuses for enemies killed.

EXTRA COMPLAINT:
Don’t mind me, really. Where I’m from (Brazil), GW2 is unplayable as Warrior.
The latency sucks SO MUCH, most of my skills can’t actually hit, because the target is not where I actually see them. Most of my Jump Skills move me, but aren’t able to do damage, for the same reason.

I was thinking a supportive build was going to make me feel “less useless” because of AoE support, but I’m disapointed. Aside for playing Staff Necro (which can lay Traps, so they will hit anyway), I can’t play sPvP properly.. =/

I totally agree with you in a point you said about “i honestly can’t evaluate how useful those support skills actually were”.

The reason is that when it comes to like more than 3vs3, damage burst overall is so high so I feel like my support is getting useless in current damage output in the game.

So I kinda agree with you in a point of using Cleric over Crusader in this case.

I only tested Crusader amulet with GS/Hammer and GS/Axe-Shield, and I was able to win some DD cele eles (with banner only). However, I am not sure if I can do that with Cleric. I have to test it later as well.

About the build you posted, I wonder why you use sword over axe. I don’t think sword can make damage in fact ;_; but I am pretty sure you have your own reason to use it so I want to hear your reasoning.

The next test I gonna do is cleric test with GS/Axe-Shield and GS/Hammer set.

http://gw2skills.net/editor/?vJAQNAR3ejMdQlH25B2eApIGICKLAigBQ/ipfLye4vXCA-TpBBwAAuAAceAAjLDg5IAUd/hNHEAA

Notice that I lost on-kill sigil but uses Sigil of Accuracy. and lost Heightened Focus but use Burst Mastery.
Axe-Shield or Hammer is like 1 hit-1 big damage weapon, so it becomes kinda useful without precision if fact but with just sigil of intelligence. (it means I don’t need to hit a lot of times to make big damage but I can make big damage with just few shots)

The most worried thing is absolutely damage when using Cleric over Crusador. I was able to make bit less dmg than marauder or zerker amulet set with perma fury from For The Great Justice and GS plus prec from banner, it was still a lot higher dmg than soldier amulet but a bit less than marauder or zerker amulet. But I am not sure how the dmg would be like with cleric if fact and also wonder that that dmg could be enough to win dd cele ele : this is most important for me.

Overally, I also cannot evaluate this build like you said : especially when it is about zerg vs zerg, I still feel damage output is so high. And having no endure pain just get me bursted down so easily. I think I need Shield over hammer as well as using rampage from the start of each zerg fight to avoid being targetted for enemy’s incoming burst.

But the one thing I could be able to feel its strong certainly happens when it comes to 1vs1 or 2vs2 where the fight takes only few people so there cannot be much burst by being targetted. I mostly surpass them in these case.

I really need more test in fact.
I will try testing cleric with gs/axe-shield and gs/hammer set and then with/without strength trait line but with defense trait line as well. I will lose rampage if using Defense Line though but will use Battle Standard instead.

But I think it gonna take more than usual from now on because from next week my university starts tests again lol. I will be busy but I will try to post whenever each test gets done.

Again, Thank you very much for reply
I will look forward to your message!

Best Regards,
The Korean Gamer

Section, Build and Problem has been updated to following,
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Build is here:
http://gw2skills.net/editor/?vJAQJARSjMdQlHW7BeeApIGICKLAigBQ/inYLye4vXCA-TpBBABAcBA44BAgxRAoq9HivMwGHCAA

- Lose Heightened Focus and put Burst Mastery to keep continus attacking arts prevented from currently too much RANDOM BLINDNESs SPAM. Especially you feel it when you duel thief class.

- On-Kill-Sigil changed to Sigil of Accuracy

Be sure you use Rampage at the first fight occuring at mid since start and do applying FURY, HEALING SIGET, BANNER’s ALL BUFFS to get ready for their first stealth burst attack by being targetted before first fight occurs. Rampage will work like endure pain. Anyways, even though you used zerker amulet with rampage, REALLY SKILLED PLAYER like THE ABJURED know how to deal with rampage so you can’t damage that well against REALLY skilled player in fact. 100% sure cuz I dueled those guys a lot with Rampage (becuz Rampage’s animation sucks). Rather, use it like Endure Pain instead. well, you can still kill though.

Problem :
While the build is very powerful at 1vs1 or 2vs2 fight taking only few people because there cannot be that much burst happens due to small scaled fight and I and allies get benefits from a bunch of heal from shouts and banners, however, when it goes more than 2vs2, the problem happens. Incoming All-of-sudden Burst by being targetted from more than 3 enemies of decent team like The Abjured always do is problem. The build doesn’t have endure pain so it gets bursted down easily. We are working on this problem.

Sword #2 is great for mobility and #3 hits hard if the enemy have less than 50% hp.
Overall Axe have a stronger auto attack, with #2 and #3 that don’t have utility.

Also, as I have said, I have a MAJOR latency issue, so it is easier to waste a Sword #2 than an Eviscerate. IF I COULD LAND EVISCERATES, maybe I would change.

Also, tomorrow I’ll try adding Arms on that build, just for the fun.
Ill see if i can add condition damage (and maybe ill go back to Lb instead of GS).

Good luck for us.

- Lose Heightened Focus and put Burst Mastery to keep continus attacking martial arts prevented from currently too much incoming RANDOM BLINDNESs SPAM. Especially you feel it when you duel thief class.

So Burst Mastery is necessary over Heightened Focus for this matter only I guess, it depends on situation though. But there is thief everywhere…

Anyway, first top post has been upadated like above.

bssbruno.1487:

Sword #2 is great for mobility and #3 hits hard if the enemy have less than 50% hp.
Overall Axe have a stronger auto attack, with #2 and #3 that don’t have utility.

Also, as I have said, I have a MAJOR latency issue, so it is easier to waste a Sword #2 than an Eviscerate. IF I COULD LAND EVISCERATES, maybe I would change.

Also, tomorrow I’ll try adding Arms on that build, just for the fun.
Ill see if i can add condition damage (and maybe ill go back to Lb instead of GS).

Good luck for us.

Thank you very much for testing this build even while you were getting a lot of lagging.

Very appreciated and I have to say thank you very much again

Today I found that having cleric amulet while having Rampage wouldn’t make sense.

It couod be possible that I would choose defense line instead of Strength trait and change rampage to Battle Standard as well as changing Crusador to Cleric.

Maybe we need to devide the whole image into 2 parts : Offensive Banner shout and Defensive Banner Shout.

And just let people choose between those 2 lines based on what they want to do with the concept of the build (Banmer Shout with Strong Support Or Banner Shout Rampage)

But the problem is that if he want to go as Defensive Banner Shout with cleric, I am not sure that if he can actually support that well as much as guardian bunker does. Of course he can inflict more damage than Guardian Bunker though.

And since the title of this post is to make “Banner Rampage Shout” build, so I guess I would work on making it with Crusader Amulet for a while.

I will think about it in detail anytime later. I will also look forward to Cleric amulet as well and never miss it when it is in need of. Thank you very much for sugfesting Cleric Amulet to me!!

Thank you very much again for helping me build. I am very appreciated and will look forward to your message if you come up with new idea, feedback or any other suggestions!

Lsatly, I am sorry to hear that was you use sword over axe But your reasoning also made me sense and there would be no problem if you are also very good at Sword I guess

And also I am very happy to hear about what you said that you felt something better than ShoutBow! I am very appreciated

Again, thank you and take care, have a nice day in Brazil! Take care.

Best Regards,
The Korean Gamer

Ok, I’ve tested the build a little more, so let me give some proper feedback:

Overall, as I’ve already stated, playing this “Banner Rampage Shout” is better than the shoutbow builds. First of all, the banner is a nice addition to team fights (specially since you can apply a regen of 18.000 hit points =o). It’s better than “Fear Me”.
The shouts are good for healing and buffing the whole party (and can even be used as an active healing, if you are desperate). Now I’m having A LOT of trouble to use Stance builds. The lack of healing makes me angry. =)

For me, Rampage is essential to a build that can’t 1v1 most classes.
Best case scenario: I won’t use it, because I’m running with my allies.
Worst case scenario: I can hold a point, scare people away and (maybe) even capture a point on a 1v1. Yes. You can build this “supportive build” and still win 1v1 with Rampage.

I don’t know enough of other classes to make statements here, but I’ve felt the build is quite decent, providing support, not turning you into a “full support build”.
I still feel weaker than a lot of classes, of course, but if my team is winning, I can’t complain. It gets the job done.
It is not a support build and it’s not a frontliner build… but it needs to be played in the frontline, attacking, tanking and buffing/healing the teammates.

That is what I think so far =)

I don’t know all the classes in-depth, but what this build have is: versatility. It is not a support but can support, it’s not a frontliner, but can hit and take hits, it’s not a bunker but can hold a point, it’s not a roamer but can capture points (using GS’s mobility and Rampage).

Correct me if I’m mistaken, I’m here to learn.

bssbruno.1487:

Ok, I’ve tested the build a little more, so let me give some proper feedback:

Overall, as I’ve already stated, playing this “Banner Rampage Shout” is better than the shoutbow builds. First of all, the banner is a nice addition to team fights (specially since you can apply a regen of 18.000 hit points =o). It’s better than “Fear Me”.
The shouts are good for healing and buffing the whole party (and can even be used as an active healing, if you are desperate). Now I’m having A LOT of trouble to use Stance builds. The lack of healing makes me angry. =)

For me, Rampage is essential to a build that can’t 1v1 most classes.
Best case scenario: I won’t use it, because I’m running with my allies.
Worst case scenario: I can hold a point, scare people away and (maybe) even capture a point on a 1v1. Yes. You can build this “supportive build” and still win 1v1 with Rampage.

I don’t know enough of other classes to make statements here, but I’ve felt the build is quite decent, providing support, not turning you into a “full support build”.
I still feel weaker than a lot of classes, of course, but if my team is winning, I can’t complain. It gets the job done.
It is not a support build and it’s not a frontliner build… but it needs to be played in the frontline, attacking, tanking and buffing/healing the teammates.

That is what I think so far =)

I don’t know all the classes in-depth, but what this build have is: versatility. It is not a support but can support, it’s not a frontliner, but can hit and take hits, it’s not a bunker but can hold a point, it’s not a roamer but can capture points (using GS’s mobility and Rampage).

Correct me if I’m mistaken, I’m here to learn.

Thank you very much for honest feedback!

I will use your comments when I officially release this build later!

Currently I am writing a google document for this build.. and put a lot of optional choices for build variations to let community develop build anytime later by themselves. (just like similar way that metabattle.com offers) This will take at least a week as well as testing the build more and more, from at least 1 week up to even a month (testing involves dueling with more and more dd cele eles, dueling with decent known players, and performance in the conquest arena). You know, we cannot just release anything until uncertainty gets clear

Again, I have felt relieved when I saw that you told me that you actually felt it is better than ShoutBow. Of course, ShoutBow is also decent build though

I will also look forward to your message if you have come up with any new idea to offer, feedback or etc.

Thank you very much for helping the community developing the build!

Best Regards,
The Korean Gamer

The Build name has changed from “Banner Rampage Shout” to just “Banner Shout” since the variations requires different elite skills as well.

I will close this and test for few weeks. and return back if I found it any good (otherwise the build will be suspended) thx for participation! I will be using idea suggested in this post.