[PvP] Release of New "Banner Shout" Build

[PvP] Release of New "Banner Shout" Build

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Posted by: online.1278

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[Motivation]
The Korean Gamer was watching ROMpage’s twitch, we were talking about warrior and mesmers, tourney stuffs and here is important part.

ROM said “Korean, you were settler shoutbow warrior right? I read your document in the Warrior forum”
Korean said “Yes… since anet nerfed shout I changed it to settler with on-kill sigil but I guess no one gonna use it..”
ROM said “yeah Korean. I might use your build but people like to damage, but it’s settler”
Korean said “Yeah, maybe I am kittened. Cya, ROM. I gotta sleep. Have a nice day”
ROM said “oh yeah, Korean, I hope to see you someday later!”

… and Korean was about to sleep on the bed..

Korean thought ‘Haa… Should I quit this game? I am so tired of this game… God… DD cele ele isn’t getting any nerf for more than year, and now Mesmer 20k dmg in 2sec.. and moreover my lovely shout got nerfed badly. What should I do?’.

Korean involuntarily was recalling back past memory on the bed, from the start of the game to now. Among those memory, there was one thing that comes into Korean’s mind like lightening.

Holycowow (AtoBoss.2906), Korean’s previous former dueling friend in dueling arena. He was saying “HAHAHA I am BEST WARRIOR in the WORLD with this!! LOOK this Korean! I even killed Vassangel with this!!”. Korean looked it. Oh, he was holding something on his hand, oh that was so tall.. which was banner!

[Brief Build Overview]
Tanky, supportive warrior build for PvP mixed with more offensive capabilities with a selection of Banners. The build aims from intermediate to advanced level of warrior users who want to migrate from Sword-warhorn weapon set (ShoutBow) to their preference weapon set while keeping Shout & Banner heals.

[Build Address]
https://docs.google.com/document/d/1xalCZqeNBX4IR7TNtgpcKGJVEHamzyVX8gizI89jEQc/edit?usp=sharing

[Play Videos of the Build]

[Winning Rate]
I have tested it in both ranked and unranked arena by only SoloQ (including match against premades). At minimum, I got 65%+ winning rate (more than 2.5 wins per 1 lose) in Ranked Arena and 70%+ (more than 3 wins per 1 lose) in Unranked Arena. If you run it in premade team, you can obtain higher winning rate than this.

[Personal Review]
First of all, I couldn’t be able to find real improvement of winning rate in both Ranked and Unranked Arena as compared to ShoutBow Build. But I am pretty sure that is because there is too many unpredictable things when you only solo-queuing. However, what I did see obviously are the improvement of dueling and support and DPS capability. So I would recommend this build to people who want to use different weapon other than ShoutBow’s Sword-warhorn/Longbow but also want to use Shout over Stance. I don’t think it can be meta and only few people would use it, but it can be a pioneer build for people who want to combine both zerker and support parts of warrior all together!

[Review from The Community]
ulchanar.4309:
The idea is nice, combining shout and banner heal wasn’t possible before the patch so this should definitely be tested. The low base crit chance is nicely compensated by precision from banner/sigil and the high Fury uptime.

bssbruno.1487:
Ok, I’ve tested the build a little more, so let me give some proper feedback:
Overall, as I’ve already stated, playing this “Banner Rampage Shout” is better than the shoutbow builds. First of all, the banner is a nice addition to team fights (specially since you can apply a regen of 18.000 hit points =o). It’s better than “Fear Me”.
The shouts are good for healing and buffing the whole party (and can even be used as an active healing, if you are desperate). Now I’m having A LOT of trouble to use Stance builds. The lack of healing makes me angry. =)

… and more!

Author’s other builds

  1. ShoutBow (PvP)
    https://docs.google.com/document/d/1tOoHWBPY6kmYj4dlW6x0PwGfExKpBc1vAI4ZyT4LEic/edit?usp=sharing
  2. GreatRifle (WvW)
    https://docs.google.com/document/d/1ZthFMxbmtP0nHxqfRC02JkmQM1MZ0XasAxztIAwaVQ8/edit?usp=sharing

Best Regards,
The Korean Gamer

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My Stream : http://www.twitch.tv/eSportsKorea see me vs Tarcis, Chaith, Crysis and etc!

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[PvP] Release of New "Banner Shout" Build

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Posted by: RoyalCrysis.1065

RoyalCrysis.1065

First off, I just typed a long kitten response and the forum crashed so I’m kinda kittened. So this will be briefer than what I had

1. Dmg should be enough, it isn’t too much of a drop from current Zerk/Maurd dps for a lot of group utility
2. Yeah, heals and massive cc, especially with rampage which I recommend over Banner
3. With this super dps meta right now, I’m still not positive on the use for the small heals compared to higher dmg. Who knows tho, I’ll have to try it out.
4. Crusader is way better imo, the small amount of extra healing doesn’t make up for the extra damage of Crusader.
5. Losing Defy pain hurts, but the extra dmg and physical skill cd from the first skill makes it worth it.
6. I would swap Banner for Rampage, right now its just too good, and with a way lower cooldown it makes it way better. You can get easy stomp and rez while getting a kitten ton more survivability, dps, ankittenittenil Anet hits it with the nerf bat, I just can’t not use it in matches atm.

I would also switch the energy and hydromancy sigils, you need the chill to help land the hammer skills and you still get the energy from the gs anyway.

Other than that, its looking strong, I’ll try this out today, see how it goes.

Zoren – BG – GoF

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Posted by: online.1278

online.1278

First off, I just typed a long kitten response and the forum crashed so I’m kinda kittened. So this will be briefer than what I had

1. Dmg should be enough, it isn’t too much of a drop from current Zerk/Maurd dps for a lot of group utility
2. Yeah, heals and massive cc, especially with rampage which I recommend over Banner
3. With this super dps meta right now, I’m still not positive on the use for the small heals compared to higher dmg. Who knows tho, I’ll have to try it out.
4. Crusader is way better imo, the small amount of extra healing doesn’t make up for the extra damage of Crusader.
5. Losing Defy pain hurts, but the extra dmg and physical skill cd from the first skill makes it worth it.
6. I would swap Banner for Rampage, right now its just too good, and with a way lower cooldown it makes it way better. You can get easy stomp and rez while getting a kitten ton more survivability, dps, ankittenittenil Anet hits it with the nerf bat, I just can’t not use it in matches atm.

I would also switch the energy and hydromancy sigils, you need the chill to help land the hammer skills and you still get the energy from the gs anyway.

Other than that, its looking strong, I’ll try this out today, see how it goes.

Thx! I have to really sleep so i cant test but hope you could give me some feedback

The Korean Gamer (Best Warrior NA)
My Stream : http://www.twitch.tv/eSportsKorea see me vs Tarcis, Chaith, Crysis and etc!

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Posted by: ulchanar.4309

ulchanar.4309

The idea is nice, combining shout and banner heal wasn’t possible before the patch so this should definitely be tested. The low base crit chance is nicely compensated by precision from banner/sigil and the high Fury uptime. Crusader is the better choice for this build I think.

The problem I see right now is the huge burst potential of so many classes both by power and condi damage and that this build has no instant immunities to counter that. Stance build has double EP against power burst, Berserker Stance and Healing Signet against condi bombs. With Skullcrack build you even get 2 blocks on top.

Your tests will show if it’s viable. I don’t play in full teams so my point of view is always that of a solo player. If damage gets turned down in future the build may become more valuable.

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Posted by: online.1278

online.1278

[This is Reply back to ulchanar.4309, RoyalCrysis.1065]

Hi. I just tested Rampage out for this build.
Ramapage seems not really working good when stacking sigil is 0.
But it works nicely after gathering some amount of on-kill sigil.

However, from previous post that I posted about Shout King :
https://forum-en.gw2archive.eu/forum/professions/warrior/PvP-Shout-King-Build-for-Shout-Lovers/first#post5285808

I used “Defy Pain + To The Limit + all remaining shout skills to full-heal myself after being stomped (zerged)” mechanic. However, since the build is utilizing Strength Line instead of Defense line, I really can’t have Defy Pain so this mechanic doesn’t work.

So what you suggested me really helped me. The Rampage. I might use it instead of Defy Pain when incoming damage become serious.

Luckily the build has high toughness plus a bunch of heals. So alternative mechanic to “Defy Pain + To The Limit + all remaining shout skills to full-heal myself after being stomped (zerged)” mechanic, It could be “Using All Heal skills plus Shout heal before Rampage. Use Ramapge. And also Full Heal again since shout skills are recharged while you were in Rampage mode” mechanic instead.

So I think I have to hire Rampage when using gs/hammer or any direct dmg weapon.

[Video demonstation DPS test of Rampage for this build]
http://www.twitch.tv/the_korean_gamer/b/678493069

Thank you very much, RoyalCrysis.1065 and ulchanar.4309.
It really helped me a lot.

From now on, I will try to make other weapon sets for this Banner Shout Build.

I think we can use different weapon set for this build since Banner has other kinds as well, and also on-kill sigil has other kinda as well.

For Example, I might use this build with sword-sword plus longbow as well by having strength banner and Battle Standard. OR have tactics banner to go with sword-warhorn set to work as bunker warrior.

I will try to work on this and test many stuffs and try to make the build work with any weapon set the user want to play with.

Also plz let me know that dps on the video I posted above seems lacking a lot. so if you think rampage is un-useable for the build, plz let me know. then I have to come up with other idea.

Also plz let me know that if you think that “Using All Heal skills plus Shout heal before Rampage. Use Ramapge. And also Full Heal again since shout skills are recharged while you were in Rampage mode” mechanic cannot be a good way to counter huge burst you said (getting zergged or stomped I mean), plz let me know.

Thank you very much for helping me

The Korean Gamer (Best Warrior NA)
My Stream : http://www.twitch.tv/eSportsKorea see me vs Tarcis, Chaith, Crysis and etc!

(edited by online.1278)

[PvP] Release of New "Banner Shout" Build

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Posted by: online.1278

online.1278

Updating Build.. (Sorry there is maximum limit that I can write on my top main post and it reached maximum so I cannot add there, so I add it here)

[Banner Shout for GS/Hammer set + Rampage]
http://gw2skills.net/editor/?vJAQJARSj8cQlHW7BeeApIGICKLAigBQ/inYKye4vXCA-TpREABP8AAW4IAg0+DkXGwhDBAAXAAA

Hope you guys test this out and add some feedback!
Thank you very much for developing the build together

I would abandon the build if feedback is bad though

The Korean Gamer (Best Warrior NA)
My Stream : http://www.twitch.tv/eSportsKorea see me vs Tarcis, Chaith, Crysis and etc!

(edited by online.1278)

[PvP] Release of New "Banner Shout" Build

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Posted by: online.1278

online.1278

[Motivation]
The Korean Gamer was watching ROMpage’s twitch, we were talking about warrior and mesmers, tourney stuffs and here is important part.

ROM said “Korean, you were settler shoutbow warrior right? I read your document in the Warrior forum”
Korean said “Yes… since anet nerfed shout I changed it to settler with on-kill sigil but I guess no one gonna use it..”
ROM said “yeah Korean. I might use your build but people like to damage, but it’s settler”
Korean said “Yeah, maybe I am kittened. Cya, ROM. I gotta sleep. Have a nice day”
ROM said “oh yeah, Korean, I hope to see you someday later!”

… and Korean was about to sleep on the bed..

Korean thought ‘Haa… Should I quit this game? I am so tired of this game… God… DD cele ele isn’t getting any nerf for more than year, and now Mesmer 20k dmg in 2sec.. and moreover my lovely shout got nerfed badly. What should I do?’.

Korean involuntarily was recalling back past memory on the bed, from the start of the game to now. Among those memory, there was one thing that comes into Korean’s mind like lightening.

Holycowow (AtoBoss.2906), Korean’s previous former dueling friend in dueling arena. He was saying “HAHAHA I am BEST WARRIOR in the WORLD with this!! LOOK this Korean! I even killed Vassangel with this!!”. Korean looked it. Oh, he was holding something on his hand, oh that was so tall.. which was banner!

[Brief Build Overview]
Tanky, supportive warrior build for PvP mixed with more offensive capabilities with a selection of Banners. The build aims from intermediate to advanced level of warrior users who want to migrate from Sword-warhorn weapon set (ShoutBow) to their preference weapon set while keeping Shout & Banner heals.

[Build Address]
https://docs.google.com/document/d/1xalCZqeNBX4IR7TNtgpcKGJVEHamzyVX8gizI89jEQc/edit?usp=sharing

[Play Videos of the Build]

[Winning Rate]
I have tested it in both ranked and unranked arena by only SoloQ (including match against premades). At minimum, I got 65%+ winning rate (more than 2.5 wins per 1 lose) in Ranked Arena and 70%+ (more than 3 wins per 1 lose) in Unranked Arena. If you run it in premade team, you can obtain higher winning rate than this.

[Personal Review]
First of all, I couldn’t be able to find real improvement of winning rate in both Ranked and Unranked Arena as compared to ShoutBow Build. But I am pretty sure that is because there is too many unpredictable things when you only solo-queuing. However, what I did see obviously are the improvement of dueling and support and DPS capability. So I would recommend this build to people who want to use different weapon other than ShoutBow’s Sword-warhorn/Longbow but also want to use Shout over Stance. I don’t think it can be meta and only few people would use it, but it can be a pioneer build for people who want to combine both zerker and support parts of warrior all together!

[Review from The Community]
ulchanar.4309:
The idea is nice, combining shout and banner heal wasn’t possible before the patch so this should definitely be tested. The low base crit chance is nicely compensated by precision from banner/sigil and the high Fury uptime.

bssbruno.1487:
Ok, I’ve tested the build a little more, so let me give some proper feedback:
Overall, as I’ve already stated, playing this “Banner Rampage Shout” is better than the shoutbow builds. First of all, the banner is a nice addition to team fights (specially since you can apply a regen of 18.000 hit points =o). It’s better than “Fear Me”.
The shouts are good for healing and buffing the whole party (and can even be used as an active healing, if you are desperate). Now I’m having A LOT of trouble to use Stance builds. The lack of healing makes me angry. =)

… and more!

Author’s other builds

  1. ShoutBow (PvP)
    https://docs.google.com/document/d/1tOoHWBPY6kmYj4dlW6x0PwGfExKpBc1vAI4ZyT4LEic/edit?usp=sharing
  2. GreatRifle (WvW)
    https://docs.google.com/document/d/1ZthFMxbmtP0nHxqfRC02JkmQM1MZ0XasAxztIAwaVQ8/edit?usp=sharing

Best Regards,
The Korean Gamer

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My Stream : http://www.twitch.tv/eSportsKorea see me vs Tarcis, Chaith, Crysis and etc!

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Posted by: online.1278

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The Build has now been Released!
See above or First post!

The Korean Gamer (Best Warrior NA)
My Stream : http://www.twitch.tv/eSportsKorea see me vs Tarcis, Chaith, Crysis and etc!