Guild Wars 2

Yeah, Warrior has been in a decent spot this season; a “good” spot, dare I invoke the tired ANet dev cliché. Certainly far better than the godawful Seasons 1 and 2.

But really, the only reasons that we’ve done better are cheese gimmicks: double Endure Pains, low-cooldown blocks, and every stunbreak known to man.

The Adrenal Health buff and general condi supremacy have made Warriors into a useful one-trick pony, but as soon as you start to get into the higher divisions, the old Warrior weaknesses start to become painfully obvious. Highly telegraphed attacks, susceptibility to blinds, and lack of boons make for an easy target for immortal Scrappers, Tempests, and Mesmers. Power builds can catch your opponents off-guard, but if they have one stunbreak ready, they can pretty easily work around Skull Crack and Headbutt. Plus stability gets handed out like candy.

So the end result is that you have to run one build and take advantage of all the possible gimmicks in order to get into a “good place.” I guess everyone complains about being pigeonholed into a single viable/meta build (see the other profession/pvp forums), but with Warrior, it’s glaringly obvious, has been for a long time, and is pretty simple for a skilled opponent to dissect.

Is this it? After two solid years of being forced to rotate passive stances to remain playable in PvP, this is our “good spot?” Maybe it took me too long to see the light of day, but count me out. Another season of this kitten-show appeals to me about as much as getting my nuts trapped in my fly and gouged repeatedly.

Dude. there are at least 10 very effective builds out there for warrior. you are not pigeon-holed into any set build. YOU may have only had success with one build, but other warriors have found success with many. Hybrid, Power, Condi. the only thing a warrior cannot do is strait up Full Bunker. (and even that might be debatable. I’ve never had success with it.

But regardless i guess me explaining this too you is pointless if you are leaving. So i guess all i can say is.

“Good riddance.”

emkelly.2371:

Dude. there are at least 10 very effective builds out there for warrior. you are not pigeon-holed into any set build. YOU may have only had success with one build, but other warriors have found success with many. Hybrid, Power, Condi. the only thing a warrior cannot do is strait up Full Bunker. (and even that might be debatable. I’ve never had success with it.

But regardless i guess me explaining this too you is pointless if you are leaving. So i guess all i can say is.

“Good riddance.”

It’s been a pleasure for sure, especially listening to such upstanding paragons of the community as yourself espouse their skill and stature. What a loss I’m in for. Such a shame.

Thank you

:)

I’ve seen Lord Helseth play it pretty effectively at legend, he can’t go 2v1 like with mesmer, but he did hold a 2v1 quite good and even got them low till he got support. Besides, it’s definitely not a one trick pony, tho revs shred you pretty freaking hard. If they’re good you won’t even touch them cause of blocks, while they wait out your Endure pains. Oh and you counter tempest extremely hard, the interrupts hurt them more than any other class. Neither are mesmers immortal, they have to be played incredibly good to be immortal. The hardest part of the imo is the amount of clones they flush out makes it really hard to see anything with all the graphical effects flying around.
Oh and we saw one WIN the world championship. That looks like much more than a one trick pony to me. It’s fate probably depends on the composition of the team.

In fact, a lot of what you said that plagues the warrior could be said about bunker tempest. CC destroys them, and I mean it. Interrupting their heal decreases their healing by a massive amount, they have no passive procs, meaning you can oneshot them with a cc chain.

If you are talking stances, i have to agree. Since HOT came out every decent build for warrior has included the 2 obvious stances.

Before Hot there was the shoutbow and even some of the best 1 vs 1 builds had 2-3 physical skills such as bulls charge, stomp, and rampage.

But overall i dont know if there is anything to complain about. I got to legendary playing ele and warrior. My warrior build is GS/Rifle and i had a pretty easy time getting to legendary.

If you want to say warrior is forced to play stances then i agree but ele has to play shouts, mesmer has to play condi, engy has to use hammer etc etc etc.

Overall the builds for this game have become 1 sided since they are trying to balance around WvW, PvP, and PvE. So i agree with you but dont agree with you at the same time.

emkelly.2371:

Dude. there are at least 10 very effective builds out there for warrior. you are not pigeon-holed into any set build. YOU may have only had success with one build, but other warriors have found success with many. Hybrid, Power, Condi. the only thing a warrior cannot do is strait up Full Bunker. (and even that might be debatable. I’ve never had success with it.

But regardless i guess me explaining this too you is pointless if you are leaving. So i guess all i can say is.

“Good riddance.”

10 very effective builds out there?Atleast? Seriously, what the hell man? Seems like a straight up lie to me. Dude if this was true, I sure as hell wonder where they’ve been this entire season. Couldn’t find them in Amber, Emerald, saphire, ruby or diamond. Maby they were in legendary all along? Couldn’t find them on metabattle either. Instead I’ve seen Macebow, Ragezerker, Greataxe and gunzerkers. In the following order. With Macebow bieng the majority. Ragezerker bieng somewhat common., Greataxe and gunzerkers bieng a rarity. And when u see them they got kittened up hard safe for the few good ones.

So where are atleast 10 very effective builds?

Have you not been watching the forums? We have posted MANY Effective builds in the last week alone. But sure I’ll spell it out for you.

In bothe Berserker and Vanilla Warrior there are at least three builds wich which are Effective. Power, Condi, Hybrid. So that’s 6 right there. Then with each of those types there are at least two different builds setups that work effectively. That’s 12. Dont believe me?

Vanailla power options
Killshot
Greatsword, Axe/sheild

Vanilla Condi Options
CC, Condi with mace/sheild, hammer and stances
Or CC Condi with Physicals

Vanilla hybrid options
First, just take the condi options and change the amulet. or!
GS, Mace/sheild
GS Axe/sheild, with physicals

Pretty much as long as you have Defense and Discipline you can pretty much make anything work effectively.

emkelly.2371:

Have you not been watching the forums? We have posted MANY Effective builds in the last week alone. But sure I’ll spell it out for you.

In bothe Berserker and Vanilla Warrior there are at least three builds wich which are Effective. Power, Condi, Hybrid. So that’s 6 right there. Then with each of those types there are at least two different builds setups that work effectively. That’s 12. Dont believe me?

Vanailla power options
Killshot
Greatsword, Axe/sheild

Vanilla Condi Options
CC, Condi with mace/sheild, hammer and stances
Or CC Condi with Physicals

Vanilla hybrid options
First, just take the condi options and change the amulet. or!
GS, Mace/sheild
GS Axe/sheild, with physicals

Pretty much as long as you have Defense and Discipline you can pretty much make anything work effectively.

Oh come on. Very effective builds? That’s an overstatement a big one at that. When u you use the term ‘’very effective’’ I expected something else then just working builds. Just because a build is made at the proffesion forums or made anyways doesn’t mean it’s ‘’very effective’’ all of a sudden. Like seriously? Do you really think that if they were more then 10 ‘’very effective builds’’ we wouldn’t constantly have people complaining about build diveristy? We would see more killshots and vanila warriors in ranked. No rather they are macebows/ragezerkers and the occasional great axe running around. Heck all of the condi hybrid builds are litterally in the strongest meaning of the word pre-evolutions.

Like who in thier right mind would take a vanilla condi warrior when the zerker version not only has better access to stunbreaks, way more condi application and condi bursts at it’s disposal. Comparing these builds with the meta as alternate build options as if they are equally or even close to equally effective is nothing short of a joke. And don’t get me wrong here. they are not trash by any means. But comparable? no kittening way man. U are delusional. The same player picking any of the builds would become weaker if he did so.

What a joke man.

edit: You just admit that mace primal burst was too overpowered in my: Warriors are u scared thread. Why would u say that if the condi builds were ‘’very effective’’ alternatives?

All meta builds have always abused gimmicks

^this.

Also, skull Grinder Is over powered.

Also, also, You’re the one complaining about build diversity. Warriors are the most diverse class in the game right now. And just because you can’t make anything work for you besides one or two builds doesn’t mean the rest of us have not have great success and fun with many builds.

Also, also, also, I don’t really feel the need to argue this point any more.

emkelly.2371:

^this.

Also, skull Grinder Is over powered.

Also, also, You’re the one complaining about build diversity. Warriors are the most diverse class in the game right now. And just because you can’t make anything work for you besides one or two builds doesn’t mean the rest of us have not have great success and fun with many builds.

Also, also, also, I don’t really feel the need to argue this point any more.

>Says Skull Grinder primal burst is overpowered
>claims vanilla warrior are very effective alternatives.

Also, Also, Also, you are full of kitten.. I never said that they couldn’t work. I’m against the notion that those pre-evolutions are equal alternatives to the current meta game. No 12 kittening builds that are equal to the meta will stay so well hidden.

So how bout you Also, Also, Also get your kitten out of here with your bullkitten?

K Thanks.

emkelly.2371:

^this.

Also, skull Grinder Is over powered.

Also, also, You’re the one complaining about build diversity. Warriors are the most diverse class in the game right now. And just because you can’t make anything work for you besides one or two builds doesn’t mean the rest of us have not have great success and fun with many builds.

Also, also, also, I don’t really feel the need to argue this point any more.

I wouldnt want to debate my point either if i said vanilla builds were effective. Playing like a unranked hero during a PvP season is like saying it works in PvE.

emkelly.2371:

“Good riddance.”

Ouch!

That kinda takes the cake for ‘blatantly’ mean comments this week.

emkelly.2371:

Have you not been watching the forums? We have posted MANY Effective builds in the last week alone. But sure I’ll spell it out for you.

In bothe Berserker and Vanilla Warrior there are at least three builds wich which are Effective. Power, Condi, Hybrid. So that’s 6 right there. Then with each of those types there are at least two different builds setups that work effectively. That’s 12. Dont believe me?

Vanailla power options
Killshot
Greatsword, Axe/sheild

Vanilla Condi Options
CC, Condi with mace/sheild, hammer and stances
Or CC Condi with Physicals

Vanilla hybrid options
First, just take the condi options and change the amulet. or!
GS, Mace/sheild
GS Axe/sheild, with physicals

Pretty much as long as you have Defense and Discipline you can pretty much make anything work effectively.

You lost the last scrap of credibility when you claimed a vanilla Killshot build or any hammer build is effective in PvP. Plus, I didn’t face a single build this season that used mainhand axe.

In addition to proving my point that Defense and Discipline are mandatory traitlines.

Thuggernaut.1250:

emkelly.2371:

Have you not been watching the forums? We have posted MANY Effective builds in the last week alone. But sure I’ll spell it out for you.

In bothe Berserker and Vanilla Warrior there are at least three builds wich which are Effective. Power, Condi, Hybrid. So that’s 6 right there. Then with each of those types there are at least two different builds setups that work effectively. That’s 12. Dont believe me?

Vanailla power options
Killshot
Greatsword, Axe/sheild

Vanilla Condi Options
CC, Condi with mace/sheild, hammer and stances
Or CC Condi with Physicals

Vanilla hybrid options
First, just take the condi options and change the amulet. or!
GS, Mace/sheild
GS Axe/sheild, with physicals

Pretty much as long as you have Defense and Discipline you can pretty much make anything work effectively.

You lost the last scrap of credibility when you claimed a vanilla Killshot build or any hammer build is effective in PvP. Plus, I didn’t face a single build this season that used mainhand axe.

In addition to proving my point that Defense and Discipline are mandatory traitlines.

Dont wanna burst your bubble (especially since i disagree with the guy you are replying too) but I, alongside not 1 or 2 warriors have used great axe berserker to get ourselves to diamond. Great axe is perfectly viable, not as good once you actually get to diamond but still playable.

Prevas.9305:

Thuggernaut.1250:

emkelly.2371:

Have you not been watching the forums? We have posted MANY Effective builds in the last week alone. But sure I’ll spell it out for you.

In bothe Berserker and Vanilla Warrior there are at least three builds wich which are Effective. Power, Condi, Hybrid. So that’s 6 right there. Then with each of those types there are at least two different builds setups that work effectively. That’s 12. Dont believe me?

Vanailla power options
Killshot
Greatsword, Axe/sheild

Vanilla Condi Options
CC, Condi with mace/sheild, hammer and stances
Or CC Condi with Physicals

Vanilla hybrid options
First, just take the condi options and change the amulet. or!
GS, Mace/sheild
GS Axe/sheild, with physicals

Pretty much as long as you have Defense and Discipline you can pretty much make anything work effectively.

You lost the last scrap of credibility when you claimed a vanilla Killshot build or any hammer build is effective in PvP. Plus, I didn’t face a single build this season that used mainhand axe.

In addition to proving my point that Defense and Discipline are mandatory traitlines.

Dont wanna burst your bubble (especially since i disagree with the guy you are replying too) but I, alongside not 1 or 2 warriors have used great axe berserker to get ourselves to diamond. Great axe is perfectly viable, not as good once you actually get to diamond but still playable.

I ran mostly rifle/gs berserker and vanilla all season. I ran double unblockables to be counter meta (counter condizerker, counter condi chrono, and DPS on ele/scrapper etc etc) and it was very effective at eliminating targets. You can run into some troublesome enemies, but they’re all non-meta builds themselves. So yeah, if you’re having trouble with killshot/gunflame war, then it’s either your build, or your skill level with the setup.

I don’t blame you, I’m done with pvp leagues, maybe pvp for good if this next balance patch doesn’t rein in this powercreep.

This isn’t just meta anymore. This is MUST-HAVE. If you don’t run HoT meta, def, disc, bersk you will not survive. The HoT powercreep is absurd. I mean who even runs arms/tactics anymore?

JTGuevara.9018:

I don’t blame you, I’m done with pvp leagues, maybe pvp for good if this next balance patch doesn’t rein in this powercreep.

This isn’t just meta anymore. This is MUST-HAVE. If you don’t run HoT meta, def, disc, bersk you will not survive. The HoT powercreep is absurd. I mean who even runs arms/tactics anymore?

I ran arms/defense/zerker and i got to legendary pretty easily.

I started the season with 3 wins and 18 losses trying to find a thief build that worked for me. After getting my thief and engy wins for Ap i was around 20 wins and 45 losses.

I played the rest of the season on ele and my warrior and finished with a 152 wins and 285 games. That is 133 losses overall and a 53% for the season. So i would like to point out that with my rifle warrior build i would of held a 60% + win rate playing arms/defense/zerker.

dont want to believe me, you can find on this warrior forum. I sharing my rifle warrior build.

Thuggernaut.1250:

Yeah, Warrior has been in a decent spot this season; a “good” spot, dare I invoke the tired ANet dev cliché. Certainly far better than the godawful Seasons 1 and 2.

But really, the only reasons that we’ve done better are cheese gimmicks: double Endure Pains, low-cooldown blocks, and every stunbreak known to man.

The Adrenal Health buff and general condi supremacy have made Warriors into a useful one-trick pony, but as soon as you start to get into the higher divisions, the old Warrior weaknesses start to become painfully obvious. Highly telegraphed attacks, susceptibility to blinds, and lack of boons make for an easy target for immortal Scrappers, Tempests, and Mesmers. Power builds can catch your opponents off-guard, but if they have one stunbreak ready, they can pretty easily work around Skull Crack and Headbutt. Plus stability gets handed out like candy.

So the end result is that you have to run one build and take advantage of all the possible gimmicks in order to get into a “good place.” I guess everyone complains about being pigeonholed into a single viable/meta build (see the other profession/pvp forums), but with Warrior, it’s glaringly obvious, has been for a long time, and is pretty simple for a skilled opponent to dissect.

Is this it? After two solid years of being forced to rotate passive stances to remain playable in PvP, this is our “good spot?” Maybe it took me too long to see the light of day, but count me out. Another season of this kitten-show appeals to me about as much as getting my nuts trapped in my fly and gouged repeatedly.

This exactly… especially for a power warrior. And tbh, I have seen tarcis excel on his power warrior.

Power warrior still works. People just struggle playing it. Used the same build all 3 legendary seasons.
In this meta it is inferior to the berzerker build.
1v1 the power build should beat the berzerker build.

Interpret Interrupt.3824:

Power warrior still works. People just struggle playing it. Used the same build all 3 legendary seasons.
In this meta it is inferior to the berzerker build.
1v1 the power build should beat the berzerker build.

I am not understanding this, by power you mean the old rampage build right? If so, what happens after you use your rampage? That’s 3 min of you dodging fights?

you don’t become useless just because your elite skill is on cooldown. The elite is just a nasty suprise meant to turn the tide of one particular fight. the isituations where you would actually need to use Rampage are actually fairly limited, but used correctly it is devastating.

Well, i disagree., a power/ melee warrior without his ult is a useless one. You get the full picture if you compute the cd, how long it takes for your opponent to spawn back… There is nothing more useless than a telegraphic dummy with 100% chnace of being kited, with a 3 min cd elite as a bonus.

Fivedawgs.4267:

Well, i disagree., a power/ melee warrior without his ult is a useless one. You get the full picture if you compute the cd, how long it takes for your opponent to spawn back… There is nothing more useless than a telegraphic dummy with 100% chnace of being kited, with a 3 min cd elite as a bonus.

Yeah, geeze emkelly, it’s almost like you’re suggesting warrior can kill things and be useful just with his weapon skills.

Like, have you ever even PLAYED warrior?

Fivedawgs.4267:

Interpret Interrupt.3824:

Power warrior still works. People just struggle playing it. Used the same build all 3 legendary seasons.
In this meta it is inferior to the berzerker build.
1v1 the power build should beat the berzerker build.

I am not understanding this, by power you mean the old rampage build right? If so, what happens after you use your rampage? That’s 3 min of you dodging fights?

Naw I actually don’t rampage that often. It is a problem of mine because I always feel like I don’t need it.

The point is, just like every other season, I played the same old rampage build and had great success as illustrated by the win rate.
Sure the build may be suboptimal in the condi meta, but it is far from useless and brings pressure most people don’t expect/ do not mitigate well.

Ross Biddle.2367:

Fivedawgs.4267:

Well, i disagree., a power/ melee warrior without his ult is a useless one. You get the full picture if you compute the cd, how long it takes for your opponent to spawn back… There is nothing more useless than a telegraphic dummy with 100% chnace of being kited, with a 3 min cd elite as a bonus.

Yeah, geeze emkelly, it’s almost like you’re suggesting warrior can kill things and be useful just with his weapon skills.

Like, have you ever even PLAYED warrior?

/sarcasm

Fixed that for you.

emkelly.2371:

you don’t become useless just because your elite skill is on cooldown. The elite is just a nasty suprise meant to turn the tide of one particular fight. the isituations where you would actually need to use Rampage are actually fairly limited, but used correctly it is devastating.

Yeah, Rampage is still a good tide-turner, especially in Amber division. Almost as good a tide-turner as lobbing vanilla Killshots at a Daredevil or Dragonhunter.

So many “very effective” builds out there, especially when you get to Ruby division and beyond. Such diversity.

Thuggernaut.1250:

emkelly.2371:

you don’t become useless just because your elite skill is on cooldown. The elite is just a nasty suprise meant to turn the tide of one particular fight. the isituations where you would actually need to use Rampage are actually fairly limited, but used correctly it is devastating.

Yeah, Rampage is still a good tide-turner, especially in Amber division. Almost as good a tide-turner as lobbing vanilla Killshots at a Daredevil or Dragonhunter.

So many “very effective” builds out there, especially when you get to Ruby division and beyond. Such diversity.

Lets get something strait right now, Thug. I don’t give a flying frag what your opinions about me are. Heck, after that last post i don’t care what you think about warrior. you have not made a logical argument to support your opinion, all you do is throw insults. and yeah, i was a little harsh on my initial post, but honestly, you make it pretty hard to admit that when you just continue the argument…and you don’t even have an argument. You just answer with a sarcastic dig at my character or my ability without any.

My character can stand a little tarnishing Thug, your little insults wont hurt my pride, and months from now i’ll still be here. And your jibes at my ability are unfounded, not only have you never seen me play, I’ve never claimed to be anything but an average skill warrior. but there is a difference between skill and knowledge. I have plenty of knowledge.

So go ahead and continue your little games, I’ll just keep doing what I’ve always done. enjoying the game, helping players who want it, and hanging out.

emkelly.2371:

Lets get something strait right now, Thug. I don’t give a flying frag what your opinions about me are. Heck, after that last post i don’t care what you think about warrior. you have not made a logical argument to support your opinion, all you do is throw insults. and yeah, i was a little harsh on my initial post, but honestly, you make it pretty hard to admit that when you just continue the argument…and you don’t even have an argument. You just answer with a sarcastic dig at my character or my ability without any.

My character can stand a little tarnishing Thug, your little insults wont hurt my pride, and months from now i’ll still be here. And your jibes at my ability are unfounded, not only have you never seen me play, I’ve never claimed to be anything but an average skill warrior. but there is a difference between skill and knowledge. I have plenty of knowledge.

So go ahead and continue your little games, I’ll just keep doing what I’ve always done. enjoying the game, helping players who want it, and hanging out.

Hey, you made it personal. I just posted my opinion about the lack of build diversity, and you’re the one that insinuated that I’m a garbage PvPer.

My “argument” (opinion) is in the original post. Build diversity is in the toilet and Warriors are only competitive because of stances and gimmick traits. You said it yourself, every build revolves around Defense/Berserker, and 99% of the rest use Discipline. I’m not here claiming that there are 10 or more “very effective” PvP builds around, when I know kitten well there are only two: one condi and one power, and that condi is usually better.

Some seem to agree with me, and some don’t. I haven’t seen a lot of highlight reels lately showing “very effective” vanilla Killshot or Rampage builds lately, but whatever, maybe they’re out there. I just didn’t see very many in Season 3.

Thuggernaut.1250:

emkelly.2371:

Lets get something strait right now, Thug. I don’t give a flying frag what your opinions about me are. Heck, after that last post i don’t care what you think about warrior. you have not made a logical argument to support your opinion, all you do is throw insults. and yeah, i was a little harsh on my initial post, but honestly, you make it pretty hard to admit that when you just continue the argument…and you don’t even have an argument. You just answer with a sarcastic dig at my character or my ability without any.

My character can stand a little tarnishing Thug, your little insults wont hurt my pride, and months from now i’ll still be here. And your jibes at my ability are unfounded, not only have you never seen me play, I’ve never claimed to be anything but an average skill warrior. but there is a difference between skill and knowledge. I have plenty of knowledge.

So go ahead and continue your little games, I’ll just keep doing what I’ve always done. enjoying the game, helping players who want it, and hanging out.

Hey, you made it personal. I just posted my opinion about the lack of build diversity, and you’re the one that insinuated that I’m a garbage PvPer.

My “argument” (opinion) is in the original post. Build diversity is in the toilet and Warriors are only competitive because of stances and gimmick traits. You said it yourself, every build revolves around Defense/Berserker, and 99% of the rest use Discipline. I’m not here claiming that there are 10 or more “very effective” PvP builds around, when I know kitten well there are only two: one condi and one power, and that condi is usually better.

Some seem to agree with me, and some don’t. I haven’t seen a lot of highlight reels lately showing “very effective” vanilla Killshot or Rampage builds lately, but whatever, maybe they’re out there. I just didn’t see very many in Season 3.

I never said 99% of build relied on on defense and berserk er. I DID say that there are at least 10 effective builds out there, and i listed the vanilla ones just the vanilla ones to illustrate that my point.

Also, i never said anything abut you being garbage, because honestly i don’t care how good a player you are. What I said was that you may only have success with two builds, that’s not the same thing. One can be great at one build set up, and not very good at another. For example, i actually suck at power warrior, compared to my ability a hybrid, or condi warrior. (mainly because i never practice it)

What I did say, was “good riddance.” And that’s what I needed to apologize for. you did not deserve that, regardless of how much I disagreed with you.

Just to clarify something however. When you say there are only two “viable” builds. What you mean is that there are two best builds. and what ticks me off is that you can’t differentiate between the two. there will always be a “best” build, that’s what the meta is after all. It’s very obvious you are not willing to step away from the meta to try something new long enough to realize how diverse the warrior really is.

In conclusion, I don’t agree with your initial post. I really don’t see the point in continuing to waste energy arguing the point if your actually leaving the game, And i honestly don’t see how the forum benefited from your callous posts. (or mine for that matter) to me, this entire thread is pointless, because it did not give any real information. this has been a waste of everyone’s time.

The entire thread is far from pointless, not only are warrior the must bugged classes. we are also the weakest (not talking about condi, so take what i just said with a grain of salt)"

-Glitching headbutt, go to full cd after interrupt even though you didn’t stun break
-Glitching bull charge
- 100 blades stop after your opponent goes into stealth (ARTE U SERIOUS ANET)
-And much more…

emkelly.2371:

I never said 99% of build relied on on defense and berserk er. I DID say that there are at least 10 effective builds out there, and i listed the vanilla ones just the vanilla ones to illustrate that my point.

Also, i never said anything abut you being garbage, because honestly i don’t care how good a player you are. What I said was that you may only have success with two builds, that’s not the same thing. One can be great at one build set up, and not very good at another. For example, i actually suck at power warrior, compared to my ability a hybrid, or condi warrior. (mainly because i never practice it)

What I did say, was “good riddance.” And that’s what I needed to apologize for. you did not deserve that, regardless of how much I disagreed with you.

Just to clarify something however. When you say there are only two “viable” builds. What you mean is that there are two best builds. and what ticks me off is that you can’t differentiate between the two. there will always be a “best” build, that’s what the meta is after all. It’s very obvious you are not willing to step away from the meta to try something new long enough to realize how diverse the warrior really is.

In conclusion, I don’t agree with your initial post. I really don’t see the point in continuing to waste energy arguing the point if your actually leaving the game, And i honestly don’t see how the forum benefited from your callous posts. (or mine for that matter) to me, this entire thread is pointless, because it did not give any real information. this has been a waste of everyone’s time.

I guess we’ll have to disagree on the definitions of “very effective” or “viable.” Fine by me.

No waste of time when the users on the forum have taken interest. God only knows if ANet will actually do anything about it. My complaints about sPvP and the league season go way beyond just Warrior and profession balance issues, but that’s for another topic. I just wanted to discuss my opinion that the current Warrior build diversity situation sucks monster balls.

I think my fellow Warrior enthusiasts get my point that certain weapon sets are clearly good and others are clearly garbage in sPvP, and that some trait lines are clearly good and others are clearly garbage in sPvP. Kind of a crap situation for the “weapon master” profession of the game, in which the point is that you should be able to pick up any weapon set and be able to compete.

I still WvW (to some extent) and PvE, but I’ll sit out Season 4 of sPvP.

JTGuevara.9018:

I don’t blame you, I’m done with pvp leagues, maybe pvp for good if this next balance patch doesn’t rein in this powercreep.

This isn’t just meta anymore. This is MUST-HAVE. If you don’t run HoT meta, def, disc, bersk you will not survive. The HoT powercreep is absurd. I mean who even runs arms/tactics anymore?

JTGuevara, you summed up my thoughts perfectly. This has gone just beyond meta, it is true “must have.” If you don’t run the perfect build, you get torn to pieces in the higher divisions.