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Posted by: Kain Francois.4328

Kain Francois.4328

Greatsword, our highest dps weapon, was already very low damage pre-patch. Even a Berserker Revenant could do more damage than us with 1/3rd the effort. And now they just made it worse by nerfing the speed of Berserker, making Arc Divier and Headbutt feel really sluggish.

Apparently the focus of this update was on Axe. It received a 7% autoattack buff. Whoopiedoo. How much change did that make? Not much at the moment.

Our power-based offhands are really lame too. Off-Hand axe seems like a PvP pressure weapon, but for PvE purposes, Cyclone Axe does less damage than simply autoattacking! As for Mace, while it once had a role early in the game’s lifespan, it’s simply not needed much anymore in the modern meta.

And that last part about not being relevant anymore in the modern game kinda resonates with Berserker Warrior. Our skills seem like they were designed for GW2 2012, not GW2 2017.

The only thing keeping Warriors relevant is Phalanx Strength, but that’s a bandaid fix to a much larger problem.

I understand in PvP Warrior may be overpowered in some aspects, but it comes at a huge price for the class in PvE.

So, anyway… I know complaining won’t accomplish much, but I just had to share my thoughts. I’m very disheartened by the update, and frustrated that it will take 4 more months just for ANET to tweak a few skill numbers by 5%, as if that makes any difference.

Hey, wanna hear a hilarious joke? ANET buffed the axe trait to 300 ferocity. But it’s not like we can actually use it, since it competes with berserker’s power. Isn’t that hilarious? Gee, I wonder why they dedicated the time and effort into that! It’s such a huge accomplishment for the next 4 months!

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Posted by: Gambino.2109

Gambino.2109

We’ll still barely be taken to raids due to tactics support and banners.

Other than that.. pretty terrible dps especially if you’re not using condi

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Posted by: Kain Francois.4328

Kain Francois.4328

I think we can say the best possible solution to your dilema is to quit warrior…

can’t escape it.

There’s an influx of zerk Wars who keep joining my raid training groups thinking they are 1337 dps and refuse to play anything else.

It’s kind of difficult to break it to them that Warrior is a low DPS class, without any particular build to give them other than Viper’s.

If it were just 1 or 2 people, then that would be a problem on an individual basis. But the design of the game keeps misleading new players into choosing Warrior for damage. And Viper is expensive!

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Posted by: zectra.6978

zectra.6978

I think we can say the best possible solution to your dilema is to quit warrior…

can’t escape it.

There’s an influx of zerk Wars who keep joining my raid training groups thinking they are 1337 dps and refuse to play anything else.

It’s kind of difficult to break it to them that Warrior is a low DPS class, without any particular build to give them other than Viper’s.

If it were just 1 or 2 people, then that would be a problem on an individual basis. But the design of the game keeps misleading new players into choosing Warrior for damage.

Pretty much! In PvE I have my viper’s set – medium DPS and a little bit of dmg utility for the group. Otherwise, I am looking for a new main class until the new elite arrives.

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Posted by: daw.4923

daw.4923

im still playing power ps in t4 fractals without issue and bcs i find it 10x more fun than condi war spaming f1 forewer….
with these joke ballance patches i will not even try to change class,bcs they can nerf it and you will do whole process again.
Lets just hope that with d/d in next expansion they dont forget to add stacking mights on daggers…

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Posted by: Gambino.2109

Gambino.2109

Exactly.. the kill diversity by taking what we’re useful instead of offering us alternatives.

Giving us a few Axe buff… is not divesity for everything they took.

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Posted by: Lahmia.2193

Lahmia.2193

When you say pve, you mean raids. Because all the elitism from fractals and dungeons has pretty much gone there instead. And to be honest, most things are extremely limited in what they can do in raids (unless you’re anet’s favourite child – the elementalist).

On the subject of trait balance however, Axe Mastery should switch places with Great Fortitude (which will then receive a massive buff).

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Posted by: Nusku.3941

Nusku.3941

I think we can say the best possible solution to your dilema is to quit warrior…

can’t escape it.

There’s an influx of zerk Wars who keep joining my raid training groups thinking they are 1337 dps and refuse to play anything else.

It’s kind of difficult to break it to them that Warrior is a low DPS class, without any particular build to give them other than Viper’s.

If it were just 1 or 2 people, then that would be a problem on an individual basis. But the design of the game keeps misleading new players into choosing Warrior for damage. And Viper is expensive!

That’s the elitist attitude I was hoping to get out of you, I really wouldn’t mind it if you’d quit warrior.

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Posted by: Kain Francois.4328

Kain Francois.4328

That’s the elitist attitude I was hoping to get out of you, I really wouldn’t mind it if you’d quit warrior.

Just because you don’t care about game balance and accessibility doesn’t mean others don’t.

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Posted by: Artaz.3819

Artaz.3819

Forceful Greatsword + Phalanx Strength too OP

Quick, better nerf might sharing…Warrior Power PvE still not dead enough.

Next stop, banners are overhauled to be summon in hand (conjure) but now don’t share any benefits to others by default (requires active use of banner skill spamming to greater enhance buff bot feel).

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Posted by: Artaz.3819

Artaz.3819

Hey, wanna hear a hilarious joke? ANET buffed the axe trait to 300 ferocity. But it’s not like we can actually use it, since it competes with berserker’s power. Isn’t that hilarious? Gee, I wonder why they dedicated the time and effort into that! It’s such a huge accomplishment for the next 4 months!

I’m not sure ANet understands that Axe Mastery (w/ 100% crit chance, no sacrifice in DPS output … ) and ALWAYS using an Axe (must have Axe always in one of your hands) = 300 Ferocity or +20% increased damage versus +21% from Berserker’s Power that has 10s in length after one Adrenaline 3 use.

If ANet really wanted Warriors to use Axe Mastery, it would have been swapped with some other trait (Merciless Hammer) in some other common line (Discipline).

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Posted by: Lahmia.2193

Lahmia.2193

Hey, wanna hear a hilarious joke? ANET buffed the axe trait to 300 ferocity. But it’s not like we can actually use it, since it competes with berserker’s power. Isn’t that hilarious? Gee, I wonder why they dedicated the time and effort into that! It’s such a huge accomplishment for the next 4 months!

I’m not sure ANet understands that Axe Mastery (w/ 100% crit chance, no sacrifice in DPS output … ) and ALWAYS using an Axe (must have Axe always in one of your hands) = 300 Ferocity or +20% increased damage versus +21% from Berserker’s Power that has 10s in length after one Adrenaline 3 use.

If ANet really wanted Warriors to use Axe Mastery, it would have been swapped with some other trait (Merciless Hammer) in some other common line (Discipline).

Or made it compete with Forceful Greatsword, because that’s logically thing to do.

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Posted by: Oslaf Beinir.5842

Oslaf Beinir.5842

Axe trait buff is useless because no one would give up Berserker’s Power in pve/wvw/pvp.

Placing Axe mastery in the Master or Adapt slot might have made it useable

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Posted by: revox.8273

revox.8273

actually in pvp/wvw many ppl dont even run strength line at all. its all about defense discipline and berserker combo

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Posted by: BurrTheKing.8571

BurrTheKing.8571

actually in pvp/wvw many ppl dont even run strength line at all. its all about defense discipline and berserker combo

Which is beyond annoying. Drop Defense and you’re squishy as hell, drop Discipline and you lose Fast Hands and Warrior’s Sprint. I could live without WS, but no fast hands makes War feel like a weak DH or Rev.

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Posted by: revox.8273

revox.8273

exactly, WS also gives a rly nice escape from roots as well, in big zergs its a must for me(80% of gear is berserker and 20% knights)

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Posted by: Gambino.2109

Gambino.2109

Really hard to understand how some one can take a huge amount from a class and make its attacks slower (and all these we’re specific complains from whines in pvp that we’re hit) then provide a 7% buff and another that is still outclassed by what’s available.

That’s not balance at all..

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Posted by: Valik Shin.9027

Valik Shin.9027

Axe isn’t too far off gs dps but no reason to bring power war for dps

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Posted by: Joxer.6024

Joxer.6024

Pretty much! In PvE I have my viper’s set – medium DPS and a little bit of dmg utility for the group. Otherwise, I am looking for a new main class until the new elite arrives.

Bingo! Same here…just hoping new Elites are something to sing about and bring about some diversity.

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Posted by: Henry.5713

Henry.5713

They need to finally do something about the trait placements.

Having Merciless Hammer and Burst Masters as well as Berserker’s Power and Axe Mastery compete with eachother is a leftover from the balance patch that was supposed to force people to make decisions and stop them from coming up with “overpowered” builds like the old Hambow.
They reverted most of those old changes soon enough. But warriors were left with those bad placements for some reason. That is the reason why both axes and hammers aren’t being played much apart from some niche cases. Of course, the Berserker did a lot also to push some of the weapons over the top.

Personally, would be nice a see a fully damage orientated build for PvE. A build with fast swapping, axes, greatswords and a efficient rotation like in the old days. That would require some thought out changes. A look into the Power and Discipline lines for starters.

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Posted by: Sartharina.3542

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Hey, wanna hear a hilarious joke? ANET buffed the axe trait to 300 ferocity. But it’s not like we can actually use it, since it competes with berserker’s power. Isn’t that hilarious? Gee, I wonder why they dedicated the time and effort into that! It’s such a huge accomplishment for the next 4 months!

I’m not sure ANet understands that Axe Mastery (w/ 100% crit chance, no sacrifice in DPS output … ) and ALWAYS using an Axe (must have Axe always in one of your hands) = 300 Ferocity or +20% increased damage versus +21% from Berserker’s Power that has 10s in length after one Adrenaline 3 use.

If ANet really wanted Warriors to use Axe Mastery, it would have been swapped with some other trait (Merciless Hammer) in some other common line (Discipline).

Or made it compete with Forceful Greatsword, because that’s logically thing to do.

No it isn’t. No other traitline has its weapon traits compete, and Axe and Greatsword naturally complement each other for “MAX POWER DPS!”

Switching Hammer and Axe Traits, though, would have the benefit of making the “MAX POWER DPS” clear for Power Warriors, and Merciless Hammer could very well compete with Berzerker’s Power due to the hammer’s more situational burst skill, and emphasis on CC (And it would also synergize with Body Blow and Peak Performance), giving Strength two clear ‘paths’ – that of the Hearty Cleaving Berzerker, and that of the Stompy Bruiser. And, it would make both Strength weapons Two-handed, which is pretty thematically fitting, I think.

And Axe. being the versatile power-based one-handed weapon it is (Frankly, I think Axe 2 needs a brief defense – possibly missile reflect) fits well in Discipline. Every warrior could use a nice Axe on one of their weapon sets to swap to and from on demand.