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Posted by: Aeri.5738

Aeri.5738

Hey guys!

I both love my warrior and my ranger (prefer my warrior in PvE though).
I played both of them equally in sPvP and Tournaments, but as the people around me got better, my warrior started to become harder and harder to succeed with.

A lot of people complain about the Rangerpet being a huge source of damage and BMs being to tanky while the pet dealing huge amounts of damage.
Forgett about that.
I wanted to know what rocks more, a standard “offtank” warrior (so good damage and good defense) or a ranger using his weakest pets with 0 points in beastmastery. (Spirits + skirmishing)

The result is simple: the ranger is able to deal a lot more damage while being super evasive and tanky. My ranger can take on 2-3 enemies for quite a time while my warrior is downed in seconds. The warrior can’t stick to his enemy ending up running around doing nothing mostly.
While Power and HP are almost the same, the warrior just does a lot worse.
I changed my playstile to assasinate enemy warriors as quick as I can since they are next to necros the weakest sPvP profession.

Imho: The warrior needs a full condition removal on his healspell, gapclosers on his weaponskills and overall more tankyness.

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Posted by: eldain stenlund.4306

eldain stenlund.4306

warrior have a gapcloser.. (or several realy).

but ye, warriors arent a troll class like ranger and thief or DD-elementals.

we are simply.. cannon fodder.

to play a warrior roaming in wvw.. solo.. you need to be top 0.001 % super godly.
if you arent, chanses are you wont last more than a few seconds once in combat.

And if we use our gapclosers to catch a fight. (wich we do)..
we can never get away.

its like the old saying.

“Warriors are first in battle, and never comes out”…
ohh sorry.. is last to come out.

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Posted by: Lighter.5631

Lighter.5631

what..offtank warrior? zerker or nothing.(or condition -.-)

“i think it’s an underserved nerf. now we have to slot a stun breaker??”
“berserker stance clears all CC on you and you’re still immune to CC for 8 seconds”
-Excalibur.9748

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Posted by: redslion.9675

redslion.9675

While Power and HP are almost the same, the warrior just does a lot worse.

I am trying to create a warrior tank: a warrior with high damage and high damage needed to take him down.

I’m trying different loadouts (sword/mace+logbow or GS+longbow mostly). They work, but I’m not satisfied yet.

But one think I learned for sure.

If you want to play tank warrior, your stats have to be higher then the ones other characters have.

You need to juggle with traits, runes and even banners and signets (yeah, they are bad, but sometimes I found myself better off with them) to make sure you get high HP (25k), high armor (>= 2700), high crit (>= 60-70%, with fury) and high Crit damage (>=30%, for the very least).

The best weapon to achieve this is 1-handed sword, but is really unsatisfying.

Greatsword is better, but stats with it are worse (no blademaster, one sigil less).

Axe makes me feel more vulnerable: I have to stay in melee, and Eviscerate conflicts with the bonuses from full adrenaline (+9% crit chance and +12% damage).

You will never be able to know what an engineer is going to do next…

because he doesn’t know it himself

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Posted by: XII.9401

XII.9401

Hey guys!

I both love my warrior and my ranger (prefer my warrior in PvE though).
I played both of them equally in sPvP and Tournaments, but as the people around me got better, my warrior started to become harder and harder to succeed with.

A lot of people complain about the Rangerpet being a huge source of damage and BMs being to tanky while the pet dealing huge amounts of damage.
Forgett about that.
I wanted to know what rocks more, a standard “offtank” warrior (so good damage and good defense) or a ranger using his weakest pets with 0 points in beastmastery. (Spirits + skirmishing)

The result is simple: the ranger is able to deal a lot more damage while being super evasive and tanky. My ranger can take on 2-3 enemies for quite a time while my warrior is downed in seconds. The warrior can’t stick to his enemy ending up running around doing nothing mostly.
While Power and HP are almost the same, the warrior just does a lot worse.
I changed my playstile to assasinate enemy warriors as quick as I can since they are next to necros the weakest sPvP profession.

Imho: The warrior needs a full condition removal on his healspell, gapclosers on his weaponskills and overall more tankyness.

Nope. Play as a ranger. Warriors blow and are not worth playing till we see what the patch in a few months time shows.

Either your ranger or a mesmer/thief.

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Posted by: Aeri.5738

Aeri.5738

While Power and HP are almost the same, the warrior just does a lot worse.

I am trying to create a warrior tank: a warrior with high damage and high damage needed to take him down.

I’m trying different loadouts (sword/mace+logbow or GS+longbow mostly). They work, but I’m not satisfied yet.

But one think I learned for sure.

If you want to play tank warrior, your stats have to be higher then the ones other characters have.

You need to juggle with traits, runes and even banners and signets (yeah, they are bad, but sometimes I found myself better off with them) to make sure you get high HP (25k), high armor (>= 2700), high crit (>= 60-70%, with fury) and high Crit damage (>=30%, for the very least).

The best weapon to achieve this is 1-handed sword, but is really unsatisfying.

Greatsword is better, but stats with it are worse (no blademaster, one sigil less).

Axe makes me feel more vulnerable: I have to stay in melee, and Eviscerate conflicts with the bonuses from full adrenaline (+9% crit chance and +12% damage).

You might wanna try a Sword/Sword – Axe/Shield build, this is what I was running to learn Warrior during the 100b hate.
Good defense, nice mobility, nice damage output and a few conditions.
I gave up getting as Tanky as Rangers or Guardians with my warrior, thats just not meant for us.

“We just don’t want players to grind in GW2.” – Well, I guess you really failed, ANet!
Update 5.9.2013: getting better ANet, still way to go!
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Posted by: redslion.9675

redslion.9675

With tanky I mean “taking many hits to go down”.

(offhand word is kinda weak, especially if you don’t go for condition damage)

We can’t be bunkers, but we can have the chance of having enough armor and HP to just take some time to kill. And we have to use that time to deal a lot of damage.

You could call this kind of gameplay tank: resistant and capable of dealing heavy damage, but don’t expect to survive ad libitum or to hold more than one enemy. But still you can do good cleave damage (Greatsword) or good damage and lockdowns (hammer) and so on. Works wonders in close ranged fights.

You will never be able to know what an engineer is going to do next…

because he doesn’t know it himself

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Posted by: TheOneNOnlyGeneralBama.9586

TheOneNOnlyGeneralBama.9586

About a day ago i was running around WvW on my 30k hp retal engie and i went against an Hammer / AxeShield warrior , i figured it’d be the typical tryhard whacky warrior im used to , but this guy meant business. So with the help of me underestimating him and the use of Berserker stance he chain CCed me to hell , i literally couldnt do anything..he used every CC you can name in rapid succession to get me down to 50%…so i popped a heal finally and tried to immobolize him , then knock him down..all of it rolled off him with 0.5 durations…he adrenalined again and proceeded to repeat this same combo..and succeeded. Mind you he was on 80% hp and i literally ate 12 CCs from him , and i was on 50% hp with no heal up. I used Supply Crate , he proceeded to destroy the turrets like any smart player would do(eventually giving up cause i was picking him off from a distance) , so it allowed me to rip him for a few 600-1000 shots , he popped heal and started to go for his chain CC combo , the Earthshaker and shield bash missed and i LOSed him with a few caltrops and my turrets shooting through wall , i pulled him in prybared KDed with a few more spouts of fire from my turret he downed. He rage logged , i dont blame him though because with that much CC he used on me with 85% success and i still lived (with perma protection + retal) , now that was a real LOL moment. I’ve seen vids of ppl getting 2 shotted with such combos lol.

I never expect to lose. Even when I’m the Engineer , I still prepare a victory speech.

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Posted by: AlBundy.7851

AlBundy.7851

Hello. A How are you today? I Doing ok? D Glad to hear it. S

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Posted by: eldain stenlund.4306

eldain stenlund.4306

About a day ago i was running around WvW on my 30k hp retal engie and i went against an Hammer / AxeShield warrior , i figured it’d be the typical tryhard whacky warrior im used to , but this guy meant business. So with the help of me underestimating him and the use of Berserker stance he chain CCed me to hell , i literally couldnt do anything..he used every CC you can name in rapid succession to get me down to 50%…so i popped a heal finally and tried to immobolize him , then knock him down..all of it rolled off him with 0.5 durations…he adrenalined again and proceeded to repeat this same combo..and succeeded. Mind you he was on 80% hp and i literally ate 12 CCs from him , and i was on 50% hp with no heal up. I used Supply Crate , he proceeded to destroy the turrets like any smart player would do(eventually giving up cause i was picking him off from a distance) , so it allowed me to rip him for a few 600-1000 shots , he popped heal and started to go for his chain CC combo , the Earthshaker and shield bash missed and i LOSed him with a few caltrops and my turrets shooting through wall , i pulled him in prybared KDed with a few more spouts of fire from my turret he downed. He rage logged , i dont blame him though because with that much CC he used on me with 85% success and i still lived (with perma protection + retal) , now that was a real LOL moment. I’ve seen vids of ppl getting 2 shotted with such combos lol.

you cant have much dmg on your engi with that hp.
must have taken some good time to kill that warrior.

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Posted by: redslion.9675

redslion.9675

As I played bunker engi myself, I can tell you warrior used to be the only class I could kill 1v1. All other enemies couldn’t down me, but I couldn’t down them.

Only warriors went down eventually. No protection and no way to reset the fight made them the only class downable by a full bunker like me (all into self-heals and protection, mind you).

You will never be able to know what an engineer is going to do next…

because he doesn’t know it himself

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Posted by: TheOneNOnlyGeneralBama.9586

TheOneNOnlyGeneralBama.9586

About a day ago i was running around WvW on my 30k hp retal engie and i went against an Hammer / AxeShield warrior , i figured it’d be the typical tryhard whacky warrior im used to , but this guy meant business. So with the help of me underestimating him and the use of Berserker stance he chain CCed me to hell , i literally couldnt do anything..he used every CC you can name in rapid succession to get me down to 50%…so i popped a heal finally and tried to immobolize him , then knock him down..all of it rolled off him with 0.5 durations…he adrenalined again and proceeded to repeat this same combo..and succeeded. Mind you he was on 80% hp and i literally ate 12 CCs from him , and i was on 50% hp with no heal up. I used Supply Crate , he proceeded to destroy the turrets like any smart player would do(eventually giving up cause i was picking him off from a distance) , so it allowed me to rip him for a few 600-1000 shots , he popped heal and started to go for his chain CC combo , the Earthshaker and shield bash missed and i LOSed him with a few caltrops and my turrets shooting through wall , i pulled him in prybared KDed with a few more spouts of fire from my turret he downed. He rage logged , i dont blame him though because with that much CC he used on me with 85% success and i still lived (with perma protection + retal) , now that was a real LOL moment. I’ve seen vids of ppl getting 2 shotted with such combos lol.

you cant have much dmg on your engi with that hp.
must have taken some good time to kill that warrior.

http://i.imgur.com/prE6Nc9.jpg?1
I had 3,350 atk with max bloodstacks , perma retal , fury , regen , swiftness and of course protection. 1300-1600 co efficients on my heaving hitting attacks is more than enough to pull off kills on anything without serious sustain.

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Posted by: AlBundy.7851

AlBundy.7851

lol 4% base crit chance pretty pro really making use of that perma fury and 30% crit damage. Were you exiled from the Engie forums and that’s why you decided to come and post your epic struggle against a warrior?

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Posted by: TheOneNOnlyGeneralBama.9586

TheOneNOnlyGeneralBama.9586

lol 4% base crit chance pretty pro really making use of that perma fury and 30% crit damage. Were you exiled from the Engie forums and that’s why you decided to come and post your epic struggle against a warrior?

I posted it cause its funny despite all that CC lol , -40% duration food , Balanced Stance , Dogged March , leg specialist and still got destroyed. If this skilled warrior rage logged , i can only imagine what the despondent warriors like yourself would do :o

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Posted by: redslion.9675

redslion.9675

It’s not so bad. Never heard of TANKCAT? That kind of build is something like a bunker build.

It’s just enough damage to kill someone… eventually.

You will never be able to know what an engineer is going to do next…

because he doesn’t know it himself

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Posted by: AlBundy.7851

AlBundy.7851

If it’s wvw I could probably kill you in a 5 signet build. If I couldn’t kill you or the fight lasts long enough that you get me low I would run away.

I don’t know any decent wvw warriors that run hammer and axe/shield those 2 weapons don’t go to together at all. Congrats you beat a scrub warrior and then came to the warrior forums to brag about it.

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Posted by: AlBundy.7851

AlBundy.7851

When someone makes a response like that it’s an auto win right?

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Posted by: redslion.9675

redslion.9675

Talking about spvp.

Just wanting to say this: I’ve always found the oh so awesome Berserker GS build a joke to destroy.

Really, that combination cannot be worse than that.

You will never be able to know what an engineer is going to do next…

because he doesn’t know it himself

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Posted by: loseridoit.2756

loseridoit.2756

When someone makes a response like that it’s an auto win right?

kinda

warrior have lots of problems and the only reason why they are viable in wvwvw is because of overpowered food buffs