Guild Wars 2

I don’t know how I just came across this sigil. How are these two not the best sigils in the game? Lets say you have 50%+ crit with fury up, that gives you a 30%+ chance to cure a condition every hit. With Sigil of Generosity, it will transfer the condition to your enemy. Is this not much much better than cleansing ire? Does this mean you do not have to go 20 points deep into defense for all pvp builds? Even despite the 10s cooldown

The main reasons are that it’s not reliable condition removal, and that you have to give up other sigils for it.

This sigil can proc and go on cooldown even if you have no conditions on you, meaning it can be a total waste at times. I’m not sure if they plan to fix this in the feature patch or not.

You also can’t control when it procs, whereas you can with cleansing ire or something like signet of stamina.

You also can’t take something else important, like a sigil of energy, sigil of fire, stacking sigil, sigil of accuracy, &c. This may mean you give up DPS or other important survivability for a bit of unreliable condition removal.

It will also remove only one condition at a time, meaning cleansing ire is a much more powerful tool if you get bombed by condis, especially since you could potentially use two burst skills in the time it takes the sigil to come off cooldown.

Warriors can attain near immunity to movement impairing conditions as it is, as well as a big reduction in general condition duration.

Furthermore, the sigil of generosity is extremely expensive due to the requirements for crafting it, though it could potentially be powerful if it throws the condi on the enemy.

PvP or WvW builds will still commonly go 20 in defense anyways if they want the adrenal health trait, which would take 15 points.

EDIT: It might be a bit more workable with the upcoming changes since there won’t be cooldown conflicts, and it will be based on-hit instead of on-crit.

Yamsandjams.3267:

The main reasons are that it’s not reliable condition removal, and that you have to give up other sigils for it.

This sigil can proc and go on cooldown even if you have no conditions on you, meaning it can be a total waste at times. I’m not sure if they plan to fix this in the feature patch or not.

You also can’t control when it procs, whereas you can with cleansing ire or something like signet of stamina.

You also can’t take something else important, like a sigil of energy, sigil of fire, stacking sigil, sigil of accuracy, &c. This may mean you give up DPS or other important survivability for a bit of unreliable condition removal.

It will also remove only one condition at a time, meaning cleansing ire is a much more powerful tool if you get bombed by condis, especially since you could potentially use two burst skills in the time it takes the sigil to come off cooldown.

Warriors can attain near immunity to movement impairing conditions as it is, as well as a big reduction in general condition duration.

Furthermore, the sigil of generosity is extremely expensive due to the requirements for crafting it, though it could potentially be powerful if it throws the condi on the enemy.

PvP or WvW builds will still commonly go 20 in defense anyways if they want the adrenal health trait, which would take 15 points.

EDIT: It might be a bit more workable with the upcoming changes since there won’t be cooldown conflicts, and it will be based on-hit instead of on-crit.

I gotcha, is it also shared cooldown. Like can I cleanse I condi with sword#1 then a second with sword#2, and lastly switch to longbow to cleanse condi #3?

Dunecoon.5134:

I gotcha, is it also shared cooldown. Like can I cleanse I condi with sword#1 then a second with sword#2, and lastly switch to longbow to cleanse condi #3?

By your question, I assume you’re talking about a situation where you have one sigil in each of your swords and one in you bow. The answer to this depends on whether you’re talking about the current functionality or the functionality in upcoming changes, so I’ll answer it in regards to both.

One thing to note though in case you’re not familiar with how sigils work: The sigils do not affect the individual weapons, but the actual weapon sets. So if you are using two swords and put a sigil in one of the swords, it affects all the skills for both swords, not just one of them. So if you put a sigil in the main hand sword, it applies to all 5 of the weapon skills, not just the first 3. Similarly, the sigil in the offhand weapon applies to all 5 weapon skills, and not just the 4th and 5th one. Thus, sigils act on a “weapon set” basis, rather than on each individual weapon.

First, an answer in regards to the way it works now:

All sigils that proc have shared cooldowns, with the mainhand taking priority in case you have two proc’ing sigils in a main hand and off hand weapon. So if you are using dual swords and you put a sigil of purity (or generosity) in each of them, the second sigil will be wasted. This is because the global sigil cooldown will activate, and the sigil in the second sword will not be able to proc. Additionally, this cooldown is shared with the sigil in your bow, so swapping to the bow won’t allow you to proc the sigil of purity (or generosity) any sooner. You will still have to wait for it to come off cooldown. However, it still might be worth it to have it in the bow and one of the swords since you can then have it proc from either weapon set (and not be forced to swap to a particular set to use it), but it would be a waste to put it in both swords.

This also means that any other proc’ing sigils you’re using go on cooldown whenever the sigil of purity (or generosity) procs. So if you’re using a sigil of energy, you might not get the benefits from it if your sigil of purity recently proc’ed its cooldown.

Now to answer it in consideration of the upcoming changes:

With the upcoming changes, sigils only share cooldowns with their respective types, not with all other proc’ing sigils. Additionally, I believe the shared cooldowns will not be applied across weapon sets, so you can use the same sigils on different cooldowns as long as they are in different weapon sets (I would have to double check this fact to be sure).

As such, if you put a sigil of purity in one of your swords and one in one of your bow slots (the changes will have two sigils slots for your bow), they will not share a cooldown. That means you can proc the sigil in your sword set, swap to you bow, and the sigil in the bow will be ready to proc (unless it was somehow also on cooldown, but that would be unlikely).

However, putting two sigils of purity in both your swords or both slots in the bow will not stack. Only one will ever proc and the other will still be wasted. But you will be able to use one in the swords and one in the bow to greater effect than what the system currently allows.

Additionally, the cooldown of one sigil type doesn’t affect the cooldown of another sigil type. So if you’re using a sigil of energy, the cooldown between the sigil of purity and energy are not shared, and they can proc separately.

This allows for a combo where you use a sigil of purity in one sword and a sigil of generosity in the other sword. Since they are both different sigil types, they both proc seperately, meaning you can use them to possibly remove up to two conditions every 10 seconds, one of which is actually transfered to the enemy. Then you can also put the same combo on your bow, meaning you could potentially get an extra four conditions removed quickly (although it would depend on being lucky with the procs). This combination isn’t currently allowed in the system due to the global cooldowns, but the upcoming changes will permit it.

Anyways, hopefully that answered your question. It sounded like you were maybe a bit unfamiliar with the “hidden rules” of sigils that there currently are now, although they’ll be getting rid of most of them when the upcoming changes happen.