Guild Wars 2

So, all I’ve been seeing in the warrior thread is how underpowered or useless their warriors are, and I’m here to say that I still think my war is solid in all aspects of the game, and does well in all aspects. And I’m wondering if there are any others out there who think the same?

I deleted my first war when she hit her 3rd bday, and remade her a few months after. Gave her my guardians spare set of ascended armor, which was a soldier’s set for WvW. Had plenty of zerk trinkets n such so those were no big deal, and had a few weap boxes so made a hammer and sword, also zerk.
With those, I’ve run around solo through HoT and through fractals, and have had a blast.
In pvp, I was a little wary since I did feel war was a bit underpowered compared to what they were. But… few matches go by, and I’m still rocking face, the only players able to effectively shut me down are pure condi, and those are easy to get away from usually. But even when I do stick to and fight, knowing how disadvantaged I am in that fight, I still do quite well. Many times I’ve fought against great odds, whether being outnumbered and/or being “outclassed” and still putting up quite a fight. And theyre fun fights.

Maybe I’m a little weird though, I don’t like running classes/builds that are considered OP as much, I like fighting against the odds.

Anyway, my ramble is kind of over, I just want to leave you guys with some advice, for those who feel like they can’t do as much with their wars, try something different with your wars, I didn’t think switching up my full zerk build for a hybrid soldier’s/zerk build would work quite as well as it has, but it has kept me playing my war.

PS – I still run core war in pvp, but pve I’ve been liking Berserker a lot, and might start tryin it in pvp some day. And it always feels good winning against DH’s, Chronos, DD’s, etc

No, you are not the only one.

Either you playing a different game or playing a bunch noobs.

xbutcherx.3861:

Either you playing a different game or playing a bunch noobs.

Yeah, man. I guess that my luck stat is so high that it even influences what kind of players I get to play against

I will tell you this, and this is a fact from Dragon Stand meta: in my squad with over 30 people in one lane, guess how many warriors (or even berserker) ?

One… tiny little one. I am the only berserker in the squad for the whole meta. Now you see how Warrior stands in PVE :/

mickey.2816:

I will tell you this, and this is a fact from Dragon Stand meta: in my squad with over 30 people in one lane, guess how many warriors (or even berserker) ?

One… tiny little one. I am the only berserker in the squad for the whole meta. Now you see how Warrior stands in PVE :/

Well, that means that people don’t play Warrior… which is shame…

I’ve seen plenty of wars in all HoT maps, I don’t know if they’re all doing well or not but they’re there.
As for pvp, I usually do unranked and HJ, and yes, I do run into a good number of people who don’t play their classes well, or perhaps they’ve forgotten how to counter a warrior since so few of us exist apparently. But, I’ve run into plenty pretty good players, as does happen in a game mode like pvp. I’m usually among the top scores, and I don’t find myself any more disadvantaged than playing my other classes (Ele, guard, mes, ran).

(didn’t realize the forums automatically censored with “kitten” lol, thought people did that on purpose)

I’ve actually been running Berserker in PvP and I’ve had pleny of success with it. However, what sucks is that the only build I’ve been having success with has been Gun Flame Rifle sniper warrior.

Warrior is still perfectly viable against low-to-medium skill opponents and teams that are not premade. In fact I would almost say they’re good in those circumstances.

In a competitive environment, they have literally zero use, as anything else in the game is a direct upgrade.

I’m happy that some people enjoy the class (as I do too) but that doesn’t change the fact that they’re competitively garbage at the moment. Look at the EU proleague matches: not even a single Warrior represented. And it’s been that way since HoT hit for any remotely competitive tournament.

Edit: Of course, this is just about PvP. In PvE Berserker is actually pretty good, though what really makes them worthwhile are the banners and not much else.

Nobody should be losing a 1v1 to Warriors. If they do, they’re bad. Period. A lucky Rampage is still devastating in a team fight, but a Zerker/Marauder Warrior is still weak outside of it. Has been for years now.

So, yeah, you can still kill terrible players, but I’d argue that even a medium-level Scrapper, Chrono, Herald or Druid will tear any Warrior apart in a straight 1v1 and be leagues ahead in team fights, because DPS Warriors provide zero utility to their teams.

I see, so every player who hasn’t beat me on my war is bad, makes sense.
But there’s this issue where you think the only pvp warrior that has been and ever will be is zerker/marauder.
I still recall running as a celestial ele when everyone said they were worthless despite my success on it.

As far as the competitive pro leagues, pro players will choose to take any and all advantages they can because it is that competitive, and I agree that other classes currently have greater advantages (which I personally believe to be unbalanced and hope anet does something), but those alone just give them an edge, one that I don’t need.
But to say warriors are in the worst and incapable of being awesome…. when I and many others easily roll face with wars, makes me wonder what people are doing with their wars.

Lastly, some of you keep pulling in Pro pvper’s for your arguments, if I’m a college level math student, of course I’d probably get schooled in a math competition against a doctorate. But in my matches, I’m playing against people of my skill level I believe for the most part, on average, and I do well.
(Maybe you should ask one of those pro players to make a war build and see how they do with it)

YuiRS.8129:

Nobody should be losing a 1v1 to Warriors. If they do, they’re bad. Period. A lucky Rampage is still devastating in a team fight, but a Zerker/Marauder Warrior is still weak outside of it. Has been for years now.

So, yeah, you can still kill terrible players, but I’d argue that even a medium-level Scrapper, Chrono, Herald or Druid will tear any Warrior apart in a straight 1v1 and be leagues ahead in team fights, because DPS Warriors provide zero utility to their teams.

Hi. I can make following result against to each classes listed below (after HoT expansion). Assume that build I used is Crusader Banner Shout :

1. DH : Mostly win, or draw if DH play defensively usually within his traps
2. rev : Mostly lose, or Sometimes win.
3. Reaper : sometimes win, sometimes lose. 50:50
4. druid : mostly lose (but takes huge time), or draw
5. Scrapper : sometimes lose, sometimes draw. Hard to win.
6. Slow mes, condi mes : mostly draw.

(be sure that this statistics is based on dueling again tpvp meta players on esl)

If I use Cleric Banner Shout, I don’t lose to them all but I cannot kill them all too.

Assume that I was able to pwn, or 100% sustain against, every jobs of every classes with crusader banner shout before HoT, only except sustaining build like DD cele ele, but now warrior is weakest class and this is all the result I can make after HoT.

Thus yeah, with that poor resul after HoT as compared to how it used to be before HoT, HoT expansion was huge nerf to me and warriors :p

mickey.2816:

I will tell you this, and this is a fact from Dragon Stand meta: in my squad with over 30 people in one lane, guess how many warriors (or even berserker) ?

One… tiny little one. I am the only berserker in the squad for the whole meta. Now you see how Warrior stands in PVE :/

Just because you didn’t see many warriors/berserkers in your DS map doesn’t mean warrior isn’t good in PVE. In fact, it has extremely good dps, be it condition or direct damage.

PvP and WvW is a different story.

Plenty of success, still improving my warrior skills. I run Zerker ammy berserker, roaming DPS roll. I look for +1’s and to remove enemies from team fights. I also go in for heavy AoE team hits in big mid fights for full wipes. I have the liability (as a glass cannon) of going down. But at the end of the match my rotations ensure my scores are high, and my kill to death ratio is stacked heavily in my favor. I’ve built to counter meta specs (LB Trap Dragonhunters, Blocking Rev’s, Shield Chrono’s, etc) but have the DPS to pressure anything. When everybody else is bunking down and having sustained, never ending fights, I’m there to unbalance the favor.

The only liability I feel with the build/role is that I rely on the random chance of soloQ pug teams to spit me out good bunkers and bruisers to keep things balanced in my favor. I can’t be the cornerstone of a team and ensure victory if I’m teamed up with bads, or a bunch of zerker glass cannon thieves (for example). If I were to use this build seriously in some high level play, I’d need my team comp to be made of the right stuff. Otherwise, it’s both viable and effective at what it does.

I’m really enjoying Berserker in this specialists role. I wouldn’t play War if not for Power Killshot/Gunflame Sword/Greatsword.

For the sake of argument let’s say you are correct and warriors are ‘not underpowered’.

They still lack utility compared to all the other classes. The things you can do with a warrior are severely limited by the kind of skill sets it allows. Compared to Guardian, why would you choose a class that limits the kind of roles you can take on in the game? It’s dumb to choose warrior as your first class/character right now. If there is just 1 class that has limited roles in the game out of….6-7 other classes who can fill the same roles a warrior can and more (i can’t count), doesn’t that say something about the class?
If you can buy an entire cake for the same price as a single piece, would you still intentionally buy the single piece? Cause that’s what you are doing to yourself currently when you choose warrior.

Because I have a guard, I enjoy both and both offer different experiences, I’m not saying wars aren’t underpowered compared to other classes, but the amount of complaining ive been seeing isn’t warranted imo. As far as utility, not every class has the level of utility that guards have.

Ever heard that song that goes “Everything you can do I can do better, I can do anything better than you…” ?

That’s what the other professions are singing to the warrior.

Ven Zehn.6573:

Because I have a guard, I enjoy both and both offer different experiences, I’m not saying wars aren’t underpowered compared to other classes, but the amount of complaining ive been seeing isn’t warranted imo. As far as utility, not every class has the level of utility that guards have.

Oh, the complaining is definitely warranted. It’s just annoying.

Not every class might have the utility a Guardian has, but most other classes have the utility the Warrior has, and much more. There are close to no roles Warriors can fill in the current meta, and absolutely none of them are something other classes can’t fill better and with less drawbacks.

The real problem is that the vast majority of Warrior players (me included when I sometimes get frustrated, I’m not pointing fingers) would rather cry and demand buffs on the forums instead of proposing constructive criticism and feedback to Anet, which is the reason why the outcry is so big and so ignored by the devs.

Sorry didn’t mean completely unwarranted, but when almost every thread on here is about how kittened warriors are…..

Ven Zehn.6573:

Sorry didn’t mean completely unwarranted, but when almost every thread on here is about how kittened warriors are…..

That’s the worst part, they’re annoying but technically right.

Warrior could be deleted from the game tomorrow, and the current competitive esports scene would not be affected in the slightest. That’s how kittened warriors are.

But it’s just aggravating seeing a thousand threads repeating the same things over and over and over. If Anet posted a thread saying “OK WE GET IT, WE’RE AWARE, STOP REPEATING YOURSELVES”, then maybe we would see less complaining threads – but probably not.

Ven Zehn.6573:

But, I’ve run into plenty pretty good players, as does happen in a game mode like pvp. I’m usually among the top scores, and I don’t find myself any more disadvantaged than playing my other classes (Ele, guard, mes, ran).

The fact that you even mention score tells me that you are probably playing very low level pvp.

It is pretty much an accepted fact that warrior is the worst pvp class in the game. That being said, a warrior running an optimal build will still crap on someone running a “PvE” build in sPvP or WvW. The fact that you fought someone and killed them doesn’t change the fact that warrior is bad, it only means the people you were fighting were more likely terrible.