Guild Wars 2

Already, the shock of healing signet not getting nerfed (yet) is too much for the average forum visitor.

And what about mobility? They are not nerfing that? So how are we supposed to put immobilize on an engineer with 93% reduction???? Wait wha…. engineers can do that too?

Bad post, I know. But this forum is bad and even worse, full of bads.

So my question, do you think QQ will stop?

There will always be QQ, whether it’s for something being OP and it needs nerfs, or something being UP and needs buffs.

….Preemptive QQ

Its gonna be on both sides you know. Fairweather Warriors complaining their class is unplayable now and hightailing it to a new class that they think is OP along with other classes complaining that warrior wasn’t nerfed enough(only one I really feel bad for is elementalist).

Plus its not like healing signet was actually the problem. The problem was it was easy to contain CC, sustain, and damage all in one build and healing signet was just the easiest thing to see since it popped up on the warriors boon bar.

Well seeing all the fotm warriors jump ship will be entertaining. It will be fun to see where they go since they won’t find any refuge in thief (pun intended).

Probably necromancer since conditions didn’t seem to get nerfed too hard this patch.

Monoman.2068:

Well seeing all the fotm warriors jump ship will be entertaining. It will be fun to see where they go since they won’t find any refuge in thief (pun intended).

Probably necromancer since conditions didn’t seem to get nerfed too hard this patch.

My money is on either necro or mesmer. Probably all go PU torch mesmers too since those were probably one of the most annoying fights for warrior since they waste their stuns on clones or use earthshaker and give themselves 9 stacks of bleed and cripples.

Necrotize.2974:

Monoman.2068:

Well seeing all the fotm warriors jump ship will be entertaining. It will be fun to see where they go since they won’t find any refuge in thief (pun intended).

Probably necromancer since conditions didn’t seem to get nerfed too hard this patch.

My money is on either necro or mesmer. Probably all go PU torch mesmers too since those were probably one of the most annoying fights for warrior since they waste their stuns on clones or use earthshaker and give themselves 9 stacks of bleed and cripples.

dont think eny war would go to mesmer beacose noo you have to use ur skills there , signet mesmer dont work jet xD

baylock.1703:

Necrotize.2974:

Monoman.2068:

Well seeing all the fotm warriors jump ship will be entertaining. It will be fun to see where they go since they won’t find any refuge in thief (pun intended).

Probably necromancer since conditions didn’t seem to get nerfed too hard this patch.

My money is on either necro or mesmer. Probably all go PU torch mesmers too since those were probably one of the most annoying fights for warrior since they waste their stuns on clones or use earthshaker and give themselves 9 stacks of bleed and cripples.

dont think eny war would go to mesmer beacose noo you have to use ur skills there , signet mesmer dont work jet xD

Mesmer is just at easy as war and a good counter to. The problem is they aren’t as good for holding points.

With the general populace getting worse over time instead of better the “QQ” (as you put it) will never stop.

People have been saying the warrior needs a nerf for months. To be surprised that it’s getting nerfed, you’d have to have been under a rock….or work at Anet

BTW, if they don’t nerf perma-vigor mesmers, those will be the next FotM class.

with the amount of QQ on the forums,, NO ONE is surprised its getting nerfed, dont kid yourself. They could bring warriors back down to where they were before the buffs and people would probably still QQ, even though that honestly seems like the best way to balance the class (also moving UF was a good move.)

There will always be QQ, because these forums were made for feedback whether it’s crying OP or UP, it’s what the forums are for. That being said I kind of miss the War forums when Wars were a joke of a PvP class, the discussion was really constructive and other classes didn’t come in and cry we’re OP and nerf.

Glad to see fotm losers leaving us, they won’t be missed

Cygnus.6903:

Already, the shock of healing signet not getting nerfed (yet) is too much for the average forum visitor.

And what about mobility? They are not nerfing that?

at least you know why you are OP.

Nope. Welcome to the thief club. :D

People don’t understand healing signet and it’s downsides, it’s easier to QQ about it than it is to learn the ways to beat it. =/

Ahlen.7591:

People don’t understand healing signet and it’s downsides, it’s easier to QQ about it than it is to learn the ways to beat it. =/

its sad really. instead of spending 5 mins to figure it out they spend 5 hours posting that its broken. Communities like this never amount to anything, I miss older games were that complaint would be met with l2p followed by a detailed explanation on what your supposed to do.

Butnaked.9287:

Ahlen.7591:

People don’t understand healing signet and it’s downsides, it’s easier to QQ about it than it is to learn the ways to beat it. =/

its sad really. instead of spending 5 mins to figure it out they spend 5 hours posting that its broken. Communities like this never amount to anything, I miss older games were that complaint would be met with l2p followed by a detailed explanation on what your supposed to do.

Healing Signet is only a problem really in sPvP where the damage is half that in WvW and PvE. In WvW any burst will annihilate HS Warrior’s.

Kamikazi.5380:

Butnaked.9287:

Ahlen.7591:

People don’t understand healing signet and it’s downsides, it’s easier to QQ about it than it is to learn the ways to beat it. =/

its sad really. instead of spending 5 mins to figure it out they spend 5 hours posting that its broken. Communities like this never amount to anything, I miss older games were that complaint would be met with l2p followed by a detailed explanation on what your supposed to do.

Healing Signet is only a problem really in sPvP where the damage is half that in WvW and PvE. In WvW any burst will annihilate HS Warrior’s.

burst still does the trick in spvp. The problem is a lot of people wont keep up the pressure. Its shocking how many people will hit me then let me los around a rock until I recharge. Plus in wvw I actually heal for a lot more(not counting all the water fields and other support).

Personally ,when i get a class up to lvl 80 i try to find a “all around build” ,with few guide lines that i always follow.

Eventually i made this http://gw2skills.net/editor/?fIEQNAR5enkOk8YzDSBxEZABf4K0Moj5I9ANGw0A-jQyAYLBZCCMlBg+AlALiGbltIas6aMlbgUxK1SBcxyI-e

a warrior with
-3600 atk
-3100 armor
-23 000 hp
-30% crit chanse (50% cause of frequient fury)
-80% crit dmg
-30% boon duration

-A base reggen of about 520hp/s on average (healing signet + adrenal health)
-Shouts remove 1 condition (2 on shake it off, 4 in total)
-Shouts heal for 1600hp (4800hp every 20 seconds..)
-weapon swaps every 5 seconds
-supportive rezzer
-self sustained might

all that with 1 build on a single warrior….

I can deal great dmg, i feel tanky as hell, i get 1k health every 2 seconds by doing nothing, and at the same time im supporting my team with 4600healing every 20 seconds(some healing skills 6 from some professions heal less than that ) and heavy party wide condition removal….

all in 1 trait line, 1 set of gear…

I understand this isn’t a pure dps, or pure tank/support build where you specialize in 1 part and lack in another…but cmon, what other profession can have/beat this with 1 trait-gear set up?

And then i ask you, give me a reason to play profession such as a mezmer, thief, elementalist or something else besides “its more fun” or “everyone is playing a warrior,why not go outside the bandwagon” or " this class is far superior in xyz than a warrior with that build..nvm the lack of zxy that it has at the same time"

PS : This isn’t a rant about warriors being op, or warriors never getting the “right” amount of “right” nerfs.

My main is a guardian, and currently i’m lvling a thief, despite the warrior having the ability to exceed in more ways than a thief (just my opinion )

Vukorep.3081:

Personally ,when i get a class up to lvl 80 i try to find a “all around build” ,with few guide lines that i always follow.

Eventually i made this http://gw2skills.net/editor/?fIEQNAR5enkOk8YzDSBxEZABf4K0Moj5I9ANGw0A-jQyAYLBZCCMlBg+AlALiGbltIas6aMlbgUxK1SBcxyI-e

a warrior with
-3600 atk
-3100 armor
-23 000 hp
-30% crit chanse (50% cause of frequient fury)
-80% crit dmg
-30% boon duration

-A base reggen of about 520hp/s on average (healing signet + adrenal health)
-Shouts remove 1 condition (2 on shake it off, 4 in total)
-Shouts heal for 1600hp (4800hp every 20 seconds..)
-weapon swaps every 5 seconds
-supportive rezzer
-self sustained might

all that with 1 build on a single warrior….

I can deal great dmg, i feel tanky as hell, i get 1k health every 2 seconds by doing nothing, and at the same time im supporting my team with 4600healing every 20 seconds(some healing skills 6 from some professions heal less than that ) and heavy party wide condition removal….

all in 1 trait line, 1 set of gear…

I understand this isn’t a pure dps, or pure tank/support build where you specialize in 1 part and lack in another…but cmon, what other profession can have/beat this with 1 trait-gear set up?

And then i ask you, give me a reason to play profession such as a mezmer, thief, elementalist or something else besides “its more fun” or “everyone is playing a warrior,why not go outside the bandwagon” or " this class is far superior in xyz than a warrior with that build..nvm the lack of zxy that it has at the same time"

PS : This isn’t a rant about warriors being op, or warriors never getting the “right” amount of “right” nerfs.

My main is a guardian, and currently i’m lvling a thief, despite the warrior having the ability to exceed in more ways than a thief (just my opinion )

said this in another thread already. You got mixed ascended gear and food buffs, things that I CAN NOT get in spvp. And lets not forget I can get crazy stats on all classes(ie thieves breaking 100% crit bonus).

this build wasn’t men’t for spvp, and i did mention that other classes (including warriors) can exceed in some parts that this build lacks.

a warrior can get 100% crit bonus just as a thief can, but a thief cant trade 20% crit dmg for getting tanky, having 20k+ hp, being able to regen 1k/2secs with out any requirements, the ability efficiently heal and remove conditions party wide and still deal good dmg….i don’t think any other class can?

also i can equip a warhorn and switch a trait that allows me to turn 1 condition into a boon (again party wide) and do it twice ( 2 warhorn skills) as well as giving everyone swiftness, removing imobilisating conditions, giving vigor, and applying weakness to the enemy group….

bottom line, all classes can get crazy crit chance,dmg, power, condition dmg/duration ,even healing power. but not all classes can get over 20khp and 3k+ armor without investing in toughness and vitality (that leaves less space for other stats) and have class specific skills and traits (those are the ones that mostly get buffed/nerfed ,not the gear/stats) that have the potential to deal crazy dmg, crazy heals,self/group support,healing and dmg mitigation..all at the same time-as a warrior can

The qq will never stop. I just hope they will turn to the new fotm class.

Vukorep.3081:

this build wasn’t men’t for spvp, and i did mention that other classes (including warriors) can exceed in some parts that this build lacks.

a warrior can get 100% crit bonus just as a thief can, but a thief cant trade 20% crit dmg for getting tanky, having 20k+ hp, being able to regen 1k/2secs with out any requirements, the ability efficiently heal and remove conditions party wide and still deal good dmg….i don’t think any other class can?

also i can equip a warhorn and switch a trait that allows me to turn 1 condition into a boon (again party wide) and do it twice ( 2 warhorn skills) as well as giving everyone swiftness, removing imobilisating conditions, giving vigor, and applying weakness to the enemy group….

bottom line, all classes can get crazy crit chance,dmg, power, condition dmg/duration ,even healing power. but not all classes can get over 20khp and 3k+ armor without investing in toughness and vitality (that leaves less space for other stats) and have class specific skills and traits (those are the ones that mostly get buffed/nerfed ,not the gear/stats) that have the potential to deal crazy dmg, crazy heals,self/group support,healing and dmg mitigation..all at the same time-as a warrior can

I understand what your getting at. Warrior can get a good mix of attributes. And in your comparison with thief your right, thief cant just shift 20 crit dmg and pick up good def. But the other part to that is thief can teleport and cloak, warrior cant. When you compare any class to warrior it really helps to have an idea of what warrior doesn’t have that others classes get.

these are things that multi classes can do that warrior cant.
-cloaking
-teleporting
-protection
-npcs(pets, spirits, minions, etc.)
-area denial abilities(things like wards and traps)
-invulnerability(things like mist form and elixir s.)
-Warrior only has one move with evade which is whirl wind.
anything else is class specific.

Warrior under the microscope lets super powerful but put in that crazy burst thief/mes or the unkillable guard(ive seen these guys swim through red zergs) things don’t look that bad.

Like I said before. I feel that wvw is more balanced then spvp. That build that you mention is fine because you will get other classes running around with other ridiculous builds(ie i seen engineers be either unkillable or throw out silly dmg).

Agree with the op. Warriors are still in a great place don’t know why all the complaining. So hammer got some attention so what.