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Posted by: Johnathan Ralston.5871

Johnathan Ralston.5871

http://gw2skills.net/editor/?fJAQJATSjMdU2ZhHehwJigfgC7t3CGDgjW3bk6IA-TVSHAB/pijTKB/R5XBXAgc3fAQ1DA4QAEmumgfCABAQAu5Nzm3MwQH6QH6QHa38m38m38mlCwMdVA-w

Easy might stacks with 12-18 on average.
Tons of confusion damage since I built my stats backwards according to traits.
Plenty of control + aoe fields and reach in general.
Hits like a berserker with OP condi damage.

Power at normal 2159
Condi at normal 325 (or 4 stacks of confusion = 713 dmg)

add 100p + 100c from wvw stacks
add 420p + 420c (12 stacks) ~ ~ ~ 700p + 700c (20 stacks)

Power on average at 2679 ~ 2959
Condi on average at 845 ~ 1125

this build’s low CD time lets you spam swapping and all of your skill repeatedly without having to wait for useful skills

the high “armor” and vitality pool with the regen from the signet and mango pie makes you tanky with superior healing all while being completely OP

the utility skills can be changed as you desire from “Berserker’s stance” to “Signet of stamana” for condi cleansing or prevention

“Balanced stance” and “Dolyak signet” are for stability when you need it

depending on the situation the very last trait can be changed depending on your situation as well not to mention the very first trait in strength for those 1v1 fights against engineers and guardians who love to block.

You might as well call this build an exploit since it practically hits like you have 2 characters.

I created this build as an alternate copy of “Tap Dat Mouse’s legendary warrior build”

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Posted by: hybrid.5027

hybrid.5027

Imagine how much better it would be if you took that random point from Arms and put it in defense for Armored Attack. You should have thought that through.

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Posted by: Johnathan Ralston.5871

Johnathan Ralston.5871

I need it for bleeds, condi damage and more critical chance

I thought about doing that for an additional 160 power or putting it back into the final trait line for +3% damage on target per boon. (I do that occasionally)

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Posted by: vincecontix.1264

vincecontix.1264

Build looks good, lacks mobility but would be great in a havoc group.

Shikamaru X Thief, Warrior, Mesmer, Engi(FT leader)
Highest ranked reached 28 soloq
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Posted by: Gamgee.8612

Gamgee.8612

I get what you are trying to do. But you allready have alot of burning. Use it! It goes way more in line with condi/direct damage with those weapons. For confusion you want to take Mace/mace and sword shield or something to maximize the interrupts.

If your enemy has half a brain he’ll just make distance while the confusion is up since you have zero mobility and all you invested(4 trait points, full rune set) into confusion is in vain.

Go with the burning. That’s something you have full control over. I propose something like this:

http://gw2skills.net/editor/?fJAQJATSjMdU5ZZIehwJigjgC7p3BmCAtjRqn6GA-TliAABaqiDAPAg0UCqlyPd2fAkLAwmqHsxhAg7jAAf6CCAgAczbmNvZA38m38m38mlCwRdVA-w

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Posted by: Johnathan Ralston.5871

Johnathan Ralston.5871

I get what you are trying to do. But you allready have alot of burning. Use it! It goes way more in line with condi/direct damage with those weapons. For confusion you want to take Mace/mace and sword shield or something to maximize the interrupts.

If your enemy has half a brain he’ll just make distance while the confusion is up since you have zero mobility and all you invested(4 trait points, full rune set) into confusion is in vain.

Go with the burning. That’s something you have full control over. I propose something like this:

http://gw2skills.net/editor/?fJAQJATSjMdU5ZZIehwJigjgC7p3BmCAtjRqn6GA-TliAABaqiDAPAg0UCqlyPd2fAkLAwmqHsxhAg7jAAf6CCAgAczbmNvZA38m38m38mlCwRdVA-w

Mace/Mace would only be using skills F1, 3 & 5 out of all of those only skills F1 and 5 would be good. F1 for a long duration stun and 5 for a long reach. The maces reach is far to small on nearly all accounts excluding skill 5. The hammer offers more reach with the same amount of interruptions along with mobility control on the skill 3 and aoe F1 including superior interrupts on 4 and 5. This weapon also mixes with the longbow to stack might and total control by extending your hands out and pulling them in.

Everything blends together – so use your hands like you are Grenth and cover those places where the enemies will run to with aoe, leaps or hammer 3.

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Posted by: Gamgee.8612

Gamgee.8612

I get what you are trying to do. But you allready have alot of burning. Use it! It goes way more in line with condi/direct damage with those weapons. For confusion you want to take Mace/mace and sword shield or something to maximize the interrupts.

If your enemy has half a brain he’ll just make distance while the confusion is up since you have zero mobility and all you invested(4 trait points, full rune set) into confusion is in vain.

Go with the burning. That’s something you have full control over. I propose something like this:

http://gw2skills.net/editor/?fJAQJATSjMdU5ZZIehwJigjgC7p3BmCAtjRqn6GA-TliAABaqiDAPAg0UCqlyPd2fAkLAwmqHsxhAg7jAAf6CCAgAczbmNvZA38m38m38mlCwRdVA-w

Mace/Mace would only be using skills F1, 3 & 5 out of all of those only skills F1 and 5 would be good. F1 for a long duration stun and 5 for a long reach. The maces reach is far to small on nearly all accounts excluding skill 5. The hammer offers more reach with the same amount of interruptions along with mobility control on the skill 3 and aoe F1 including superior interrupts on 4 and 5. This weapon also mixes with the longbow to stack might and total control by extending your hands out and pulling them in.

Everything blends together – so use your hands like you are Grenth and cover those places where the enemies will run to with aoe, leaps or hammer 3.

But the cooldowns are better on the mace, and long bow offers no interrupt at all. What I mean is you want to run every stun you can have with confusion, on both weapons. Like hammer AND mace/mace or sword shield or any combination of the three. Longbow doesn’t fit in a confusion build. It does fit in a burn/power build though.

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Posted by: bigmonto.4215

bigmonto.4215

I am going to have to say Hammer is much better than Mace. Hammer F1 is 100 times easier to hit than Mace. That alone is enough reason as CI is the only source of condi cleanse. Hammer 4 is AOE, much easier to hit. Hammer 2 does weakness, hammer 3 is an AOE cripple, this build lacks mobility, any chance of keeping the enemy closer is very important.

With that said, I don’t think this build would be that great especially for roaming. Your standard condition build still give you mobility. Even if you don’t care for mobility, celestial AXE bow, would still be more powerful in general since the sudden burst from AXE catch a lot of people by surprise.

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Posted by: hybrid.5027

hybrid.5027

I need it for bleeds, condi damage and more critical chance

I thought about doing that for an additional 160 power or putting it back into the final trait line for +3% damage on target per boon. (I do that occasionally)

That trait, with that build. will generate like 1 or 2 stacks of bleed on average. Thats basically nothing and not worth it. Second 50 precision is 2.2% crit chance. Also marginal.

1 stack of bleed + 2% crit chance <<<<<<<<<<<, 160 power and 50 Toughness.

Its not even close.

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Posted by: Johnathan Ralston.5871

Johnathan Ralston.5871

I need it for bleeds, condi damage and more critical chance

I thought about doing that for an additional 160 power or putting it back into the final trait line for +3% damage on target per boon. (I do that occasionally)

That trait, with that build. will generate like 1 or 2 stacks of bleed on average. Thats basically nothing and not worth it. Second 50 precision is 2.2% crit chance. Also marginal.

1 stack of bleed + 2% crit chance <<<<<<<<<<<, 160 power and 50 Toughness.

Its not even close.

Yeah you are right… either that or 1 more into discipline for DoTE.

As for the other comments yes this build lacks mobility but that is a matter of personal preference. You use “leg specialist” on hammer 3 and close the gap. You must keep in mind that the amount of people that will get away are fewer than you think. This build is made for roaming and fighting various builds from condi to power.

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Posted by: Johnathan Ralston.5871

Johnathan Ralston.5871

As far as stats and killing ability goes~
This build is polished very well (depending on weapon style & preference)
This build is not meant to run around

I will call it the “Havoc” build and I would like to give my thanks to~
vincecontix.1264 for giving me an idea for a name even if unintended as well as
hybrid.5027 for waking me up a little

keep building in reverse guys

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Posted by: Forestgreen.7981

Forestgreen.7981

Havoc builds are meant to be able to spike + get away, otherwords mobility. Most move in groups too, the fact you got little escape, clunky weapons for WvW you won’t do well. Longbow is awful in WvW because no one fights in your fire fields, they’ll kite you for days. Enjoy dumping fire fields just to cleanse conditions and dumping your high damage LB3 blast finisher on nothing.

Are you in Tier1 servers? If not then it’ll explain why you think your build is a good idea.

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Posted by: Johnathan Ralston.5871

Johnathan Ralston.5871

Havoc builds are meant to be able to spike + get away, otherwords mobility. Most move in groups too, the fact you got little escape, clunky weapons for WvW you won’t do well. Longbow is awful in WvW because no one fights in your fire fields, they’ll kite you for days. Enjoy dumping fire fields just to cleanse conditions and dumping your high damage LB3 blast finisher on nothing.

Are you in Tier1 servers? If not then it’ll explain why you think your build is a good idea.

I only used it as a name that sounds nice rather than as some reference that I was unfamiliar with….

as for server I am on RoS and I spend most of my time roaming. I know you guys love to run away but that is just something that I don’t do. I stay there and respect the fight until the end in which I for the most part win. Not everything is about running away.

I don’t play with guilds but I will occasionally play in a small group and slay similar people.

I just want a name for a build that is intent on killing.

You say I that I won’t do well and that they will kite me for days?
You say that these weapons are clunky
Your statements can be said in a few words while my list of pros would drastically out number yours.
I will keep my statement simple. “I challenge you to a duel >:D”

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Posted by: Julie Yann.5379

Julie Yann.5379

Nice build, I ran Hambow in WvW for the longest time. It seriously lacks mobility (especially out of combat) but if you are running with a tight group it will work well.

Personally I would remove the 10 points out of tactics cause leg specialist isn’t that great with hammer anymore. The AoE cripple will only trigger the 1sec Immo on the first person it hits before going on CD.

With those points you could trait for Merciless Hammer and Destruction of Empowered for a significant DPS boost.

Be careful what you wish for, Anet might just give it to you “HoT”
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Posted by: Gamgee.8612

Gamgee.8612

I am going to have to say Hammer is much better than Mace. Hammer F1 is 100 times easier to hit than Mace. That alone is enough reason as CI is the only source of condi cleanse. Hammer 4 is AOE, much easier to hit. Hammer 2 does weakness, hammer 3 is an AOE cripple, this build lacks mobility, any chance of keeping the enemy closer is very important.

With that said, I don’t think this build would be that great especially for roaming. Your standard condition build still give you mobility. Even if you don’t care for mobility, celestial AXE bow, would still be more powerful in general since the sudden burst from AXE catch a lot of people by surprise.

Again, it’s not supposed to replace the hammer, it’s supposed to replace the bow. The bow doesn’t fit with Perplexity runes and distracting strikes, leg specialist. It’s out of order imo.

But try it, not gonna stop you. I just think there’s so much greater stuff to do with that weapon combo than a confusion build.

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Posted by: Artaz.3819

Artaz.3819

Havoc build without Battle Standard is like cutting your group off at the knees. That one ability can turn the tide (awesome with high levels of self stability that this build has). You then can also take Warrior’s Sprint over Signet Mastery (if you want it).

Instead of Mango Pie, take a precision food to compensate and you’ll float around the ‘preferred’ 50% crit rate.

Leg Specialist is great for sPvP. In this build/open WvW, not so much since condition reduction/roaming condition removal is high and it is for one attack ability. Instead use those points for Adrenaline gaining traits which this build severely lacks (Cleansing Ire is not enough).