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Try this sPvp build out
Zero gap closing skills, on both weapon sets and utilities, aside from the mini jump on eviscerate.
Unless you’re only fighting other melees, this won’t work. Literally every class could kite you to death with this build except probably another warrior or guardian (since neither typically brings a ranged weapon)
For example; Your fighting a mesmer (lets use sword/pistol + staff, which is pretty common). Explain to me how you are gonna keep up with him when he will likely have 1 invis utility, 1 blink utility, 1 short cd backwards blink on staff, 1 position swap on sword 1 ranged cripple, 1 ranged stun, possibly portal and/or a 2nd invis, and 2 dodge rolls. And all you have is a ranged cripple and a ranged knock down, both of which can be avoided by the above skills as well as your own 2 dodge rolls. I guarantee even the newbiest mesmers will have no problem kiting you.
^Exactly this.
It’s even worst that you’re a full glass cannon. You’re offering your life to almost everybody on a silver platter. You might get away with this on some brain dead noobs(The REALLY bad players). However, I guarantee this wouldn’t last long against a mediocre, at best, player.
You effectively took our class weaknesses and enhanced them. While also lowering your damage.
1) Our bad damage mitigation is worst, in this setup
2) Kiting is even easier, for the enemy.
3) /Axe is very terrible at doing damage. It’s a complete waste of a slot.
4) Nothing effective to get rid of conditions. SOS will NOT do much for you.
Number 1 is going to happen for any glass cannon, but this is why the greatsword is always involved. It allows you to close gaps and even be invulnerable during whirlwind.
You also do no have a shield. This means you are welcoming almost every attack someone throws at you. So you have the shortest life expectancy of any glass cannon build on the battlefield. Killing players falls more on luck than actual skill in this build.
Summary: You are hurting yourself more than the typical GS + x/shield glass cannon. You are stacking almost every negative variable against yourself. The only thing you have is high damage that counts on luck to kill someone with it.
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Maybe you should try this out before hating on it, i own spvp with this. I go in hard and fast, i roll other glass cannons, and if i come up against a wimpy bunker build then ill choose and new target and mow it down. Theres no glory in living forever.
Highest eviserate so far is 10300, haters ganna hate.
Well, they are right, whether you like it or not. Yeah, you may be killing people in classic hot join, but put this build on a test against organized team, and you are going to get kitten at very least. Warriors are typically focused first, and you don’t have one single defensive skill that would save you. Yeah, balanced stance, 8sec stability and stun breaker, but you will get down in 2-3 seconds when being focused, due to no toughness, or vitality for that matter. Your condition removal is very poor, even for a warrior, you don’t have any gap closers, other than eviscerate, which I wouldn’t really call a gap closer. You offer no support to your team mates, through CCing, snaring, or perhaps even healing and condition removal. Off hand axe is very poor, so I’d suggest to change it to shield, for at least some kind of protection, or perhaps change that whole weaponset to sword+shield for mobility, or even mace+shield, for better defense when being focused, and good team supporting utilities through 3 interrupts, which can be quite important in tournaments. Change trait points accordingly, and you would get far better build than one you are currently using, although, GS is still our best option in tPvP, due to large burst plus great mobility, which can save you in lots of situations. It’s better for roaming too.
I wrote a lot more and in detail, but I cut it down to this:
You are taking the skill it requires to be an effective warrior glass cannon and placing it all on luck. This glass cannon build completely relies on how bad the other player is. You have nothing to effectively close gaps, have the lowest damage mitigation possible(for a glass cannon), and a higher TTK than your typical glass cannon due to no frenzy. You also have an off hand axe that does nothing to boost your dps. On top of all that you have no effective condition removal.
How do you plan on killing someone if you don’t have the tools to do it? Again, you stack too many negative variables against yourself.
It’s far from hating on you or your build. It just won’t work effectively in a skilled environment. You just make it easier for your opponent than any other typical warrior build.
I would have never posted on this build if it was for anything other than SPvP. As it could be pulled off in WvW/PvE. However, this is the noob smasher of all the noob smashing builds for SPvP. Anyone you kill with this build gives you the right to say “L2p”.
-Note: I’m not trying to be offensive, just being honest about the setup.
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Zero synchronization with weapon swaps. ZERO. Utility spells are really bad.
I don’t have to say anything else other than this.
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What a kitteny build, zzz.
What part of go hard or go home do you lot not understand. 10k evis 7k tornado highest crit… almost 3k tremors, over 1k fire proc from sigil, 1.5k-2k axe #4 and 2k auto attacks. You guys enjoy living that little bit longer and ill continue melting peoples faces off.
What part of go hard or go home do you lot not understand. 10k evis 7k tornado highest crit… almost 3k tremors, over 1k fire proc from sigil, 1.5k-2k axe #4 and 2k auto attacks. You guys enjoy living that little bit longer and ill continue melting peoples faces off.
Let’s see…whirldwind or dodge your eviscarate, shield bash your tornado to put you on CD. If you breakstun follow up with bulls+frenzy and dead triple axe warrior, if not, melt stunned warr with axe auto+frenzy. When warr wakes up, finish off with whirlwind. Stability for secured stomp.
If this were BWE2 and eviscerate still had it’s 10-12k+ damage guaranteed on every swap, this would be a lolstomp build against bad players like it used to be. Atm it’s just bad. I just showed an easy counter from the most classic and well known build to yours. Both are pure glass builds, the other one does it’s job better though.
Reality is, everything positive this build has, other glass warr builds have it also, but they have none the negative. You rely only on one skill to set up your kill (mace 5).
Axe+mace works in hotjoin and it’s hell fun to play with, but it’s more effective in a sturdy build, because it lacks any sort of mobility and it needs synergy from the 2nd set (either sword+shield for mobility or mace+shield for stuns). You benefit nothing from axe+axe since axe auto has bigger dps than axe 5 which is interruptable btw.
This build doesn’t have:
- Any way to mitigate damage
- Capclosers
- Mobility to escape against bad odds
- No burst except eviscerate (auto without frenzy is slow and axe AoE just sucks)
- No synergy between weapon sets
Don’t take this personally, but this is nothing new or some new secret killall build, it’s even underpar to what we have currently. If you want to go big and hard, then go pure glass. 20/30 in arms and cross your fingers you catch someone off guard.
100b takes too long to rinse and repeat, im ready to go 24/7 baby.
Its funny how you all are mentioning how im constantly kited and killed so easily, yet every time i jump in for a few quick games, i encounter so very little of it and not once has someone interrupted my tornado yet, their too busy running for their life. Im playing spvp fragfest, your playing pen and paper.
I believe we have a bit more experience and we’re just trying to help you in a constructive way. Most of us have tried to find anything else viable and I know that this is your build and it has a special flavor to you. Truth is, there is nothing up to bar with pure glass 100b with 2nd set ?/shield. If you’re EU I can show you the flaws of this build in practice and I don’t even play that much pvp anymore.
We’ll be ready to help you in a week or so to build the best glass for your playstyle once you meet a couple of decent playing shatter mesmers, kiting eles you will never touch, instagibbed by thieves you cannot punish back or chain cc’d by engys and our favourites condition necros.
On the other hand you can also continue like this and we’ll have less “warriors are OP” threads in ranger forum.
for starters, this is a hot join build, he had said it several times now. So, he won’t stand a chance against any more than a decent warrior on tournaments with that build.
in the other hand, i can assure you, as a ranger/necro/warrior, u don’t stand a chance in tournament, a glass cannon warrior would out dps you with closed eyes and any incapacitating conditions (cripple/freeze/blind) with totally screw you over hands down. not to say any noob thieve heartseeker spammer with probably eat u while u r not even playing attention.
http://www.twitch.tv/midori_ryuuk
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now run with signet of might instead of stamina and crited a necro for 7.9k tornado, and 10985 evis on a guardian.
100b takes too long to rinse and repeat, im ready to go 24/7 baby.
Its funny how you all are mentioning how im constantly kited and killed so easily, yet every time i jump in for a few quick games, i encounter so very little of it and not once has someone interrupted my tornado yet, their too busy running for their life. Im playing spvp fragfest, your playing pen and paper.
Don’t take 100blades lightly because some players actually walk into a warriors 100blades and keep attacking thinking they can take the hit. I think you might need endure pain when you do whirling axe when players get closer gaps with ya. The only thing you need to worry about is conditions.
dude hes trolling you guys too obvious now……
I’m actually quite sad that im killing them too fast. By the time my tornado ends their already dead and i cant use my eviscerate with all those vul stacks i made…
dude hes trolling you guys too obvious now……
oh is he? never mind then..carry on.
Let’s not forget that half the time our cripple abilities, axe number three and sword number three., Will miss be obstructed or evade. Not to mention if our enemy decides to run through us since there is no body blocking in spvp.
Now add to the fact that many classes have swiftness or a 25% movement increase and warriors are basically fodder to kite until the cows come home.
Let’s not also forgets that without stability they will interrupt you when you do your tornado.
OMG OMG OMG i have perfected this build….with the last weapon i thought would help….LONGBOW BABY YEAH!
Arcing arrow #3 crits for 8k…. Pin down #5 + throw bolas immobilizes for 7 secs, constantly crit with auto atck 800 × 2 and last but not least……..
Longbow F1 + Tornado is incredibly awesome! not only does it look cool, but im still criting very high and im shooting fireballs at the same time.
Eviscerate has slightly lowered in damage though, only getting between 7k-9k crits now.
Will update OP tomorrow after work, this kitten just got real.
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This type of build won’t work what soever in the more competitive tPvP setting.
Lack of mobility, easily focused, no escape mechanisms, squishy.
If you want Axe/Mace to work then you have to pair it with Sword/Shield.
Otherwise this is just a ‘ima dick around a bit in spvp and kill lemmings’ build.
Let’s see…whirldwind or dodge your eviscarate, shield bash your tornado to put you on CD. If you breakstun follow up with bulls+frenzy and dead triple axe warrior, if not, melt stunned warr with axe auto+frenzy. When warr wakes up, finish off with whirlwind. Stability for secured stomp.
That’s not fair. Anyone can make up stuff on paper.
I wear you down a little with axe chops, and then I start tornado, dodge your shield bash while still whirling (since dodging does not interrupt axe 5), finish damaging you for 7k (using his numbers), axe 4 you for 2k, switch to mace 5, and eviscerate. If you dodge the mace 5, run at you as you dodge it, eviscerate as you get back on your feet for finish.
I mean I agree with what you’re saying, and I appreciate the fact that your trying to give constructive criticism to this possible troll. Still, I don’t think scenarios like that help too much.
Sounds like a mobile blender, do what makes you happy OP!
Nothing gives me greater joy then seeing chumps go down so fast that they sit at their computer screen wondering what the hell happened.
And if i go down before they do, their going to be walking funny afterwards. BRING ON THE PAIN!