Guild Wars 2

If you’re anything like me, you’re tired of seeing the same old builds. Not sure if there have been any posts with a build similair to this, I have not seen any. Basically with the help of my buddy Tibs who runs a power based version called “White Scar” combined a Heals on Shout warr with some condi. I was running power setup with next to no healing power or condition damage with the same traits in the build editor for this clip, and you can see the damage was still significant. I accidentally deleted some of the better solo fights I had with this build which included beating many necromancers, other condi warrs, power warrs, most mesmers etc. And that was without the apoth/dire setup that gives me healing power and condi dmg.

Some Pros:
Condis to boons on WH usage
Excellent mobility
Close to Perma Swiftness/Vigor/Fury/Might
Great frontline fighting
Excellent damage
Excellent survivability (You can take a serious beating)
Shouts heal
Tons of condi clear
Great HP
High armor and overall great sustain
Adren on shout use

Cons:
Some necros that are very good with Corrupt boon
PU condi mesmers, but you can simply walk away
Attrition style of play
Not ultra high condi dmg as you would get with Full dire/rabid etc, but still high

I’m tired and probably forgetting something. Feel free to view the clip and offer opinions. Again the clip was me as power based, no condi or healing power in a small skirmish, just to give you an idea of the amount of boons/conditon clear/damage and regen.

I will be recording more fights with the build editor version later.

Note that this is without stacks on editor, so you have 250 condi dmg+ guard power stacks+vit stacks so you are looking at a considerable damage increase if you have access to those. And Dolyak could also be replaced with another shout, FEar me perhaps.
http://gw2skills.net/editor/?fIAQNBjYDbk0p4N5x5hJOggZohVh+AckegGsRaA-jECB4iCyk0wUHBKTtIaslRFRjVPjIqWfEzYuIa1SBso0I-w

Basically you are a shout/condition warrior, which means in that sense your build isn’t really anything new although there are some different things here and there which people don’t typically run. I see you have some healing power with your build as well.

I’ve ran a shout/condition warrior (even the video I have in my signature is a shout/condition warrior, although it is from June and it is way outdated). But I basically ran s/wh and longbow same as you.

I’ve had a similar build to yours, except I ran 0/10/30/30/0 to take advantage of 50% longer bleeds and last stand, which frees up my bar with an extra utility (i like to use the signet that gives me a full bar of adrenaline). It has its cons, such as lesser adrenaline gain, no fast hands which I do miss sometimes. However the bleed on crit and extra bleed duration I find is very helpful. I didn’t have that much healing power in my build and I had more crit chance. An alternate build I like to run is 0/5/20/30/15 to take advantage of the bleed on crit (I can stack a lot more bleeds).

IMHO, running a shout/condition warrior roaming build is cheesy and kind of overpowered because I had like 3.2K-3.3K armor, 25-26K HP. That alone can be tough to kill sometimes. But add in shout heals and healing signet and you become nearly impossible to kill. Conditions don’t stick on you, burst doesn’t really work, but having 1,300+ condition damage is enough to ruin someone’s day and it is a lot of DPS.

This build counters guardians, eles, thieves, most engis, necros and power warrior builds. It is weak against certain mesmer builds (but not countered). One particular ranger build however can counter this build hard, or builds similar to it. So in other words this build doesn’t very have many weaknesses and is very easy to learn and play. Which is why I don’t play this build anymore while roaming, because it is so undeniably cheesy and easy; it presents no challenge.

However, this build’s DPS falls off really hard the larger the group fights. You become nothing more than a support meat shield because you can’t really burst anybody down hard and you lack any sort of CC. Conditions can be cleared fairly easily in group fights, especially if there are guardians and shout warriors. The damage is sort of laughable really. At that point, a hammer warrior would be 5x as more helpful or you would be better off playing a necro who can actually apply a lot of condi pressure to entire groups.

In essence shout/condition builds are borderline OP in roaming, are below average-average in small scale fights and suck in zerg fights (unless you are fine with pretty much being reduced to a support and your objective is bag farming). Not unlike a Blackwater Mesmer build which uses boons, stealth, evades and clones for survivability while a warrior uses high toughness/vit and healing for theirs while applying condition damage to opponents.

I like it since its not the typical condi build. I may run something like this next week.

http://gw2skills.net/editor/?fIAQNAT8cjkOVvJPOPMxBE0DNsKyiThkI9ANGw0A-j0BBYiCy0CwUHBK9sIas12FRjVJjIqWpETKgFlGB-w

I dont know if i give war horn enough credit, i love the block and torment from sword, and since this is already more survivable than youre average condi build i think the extra dmg from torment (and a low CD block) are better. Plus you get to technically have 4 shouts with shrug it off. I really wish somehow deep cuts, cleansing ire, shouts heal, and fast hands could all make it, but its just 5 points short.

I am a tad worried about adrenaline regeneration without adren on shout use or furious, so i wont be able to spam my f1s as often as im used to. (No stability will take getting used to too, but with 2 low CD stun breaks im hoping itll be OK.

I’ve also got a few questions. Why not go full out apothecary to get 3k shout heals? Why war horn over OH sword? And finally, hows burning arrows?

I’m not sure how burning arrows is, I was thinking about giving up heals on shouts for it but idk.

I was trying to build around mobility/condi clears, sustain, and damage as a solo roamer. Idc about group fights. You guys offer some interesting suggestions.

I didn’t go full apoth bc i wanted higher condi dmg, and felt like that much Healing Power was a bit over the top. Felt like dire/apoth was a good mix of condi/vit/tough/and survivability. Plus that much HP, EHP, heals on shouts, condi clears etc i figured the armor was at an amazing spot for HS to work magic on that regen.

I find Quick Breathing utterly irreplaceable in this build, the condis to boons and perma swiftness is prime.

Do you have any more videos showing off the build in 1v1 fights or at least smaller than what was posted?

It’s hard to grasp the overall strength of it when there are several other players there.

Ya furious I just got a new setup and I’m in PA school so I’m trying to find time. I wanted to put the build together in it’s entirety before showcasing some 1vx fights.

Ok cool

I’ll try to keep an eye out for it. Good luck in school!

As some1 who has tried this build, but in PVP, I agree with killahmayne. At the end of day it’s just a selfish bunker build with not enough dmg to kill a good enough player.
Healing shouts always seems so tempting, specially when you see how strong are those meditation guards, but no matter how you spin it u always come back to same conclusion:
It’s stuck on tactics line, aka “worst minor trait line in game” (for solo roam), add that to the 300 useless vitality points and you got yourself a bad build.
Here’s fact for you: healing shouts with 2 20sec CD shouts on ~400 healing power is 180 hps, adrenal health at lvl 3 alone is 130, and you got to 2 skill slots open. Basically there is 1 thing missing that will make h-shouts viable – a move to defense line.

If anything I would give up melandru, last thing u need is more defense, and try matching it with might stacking runes, that 90%+ duration could put u in 25 stacks with ease, mayb then u will start to see some dps (cond or not).

I’m seeing plenty of dps and sustain. It’s a great mix of both. Reaching close to 2k condi with might stacks, FGJ, guard stacks etc.

Shouts healing for 2.5k each doesn’t hurt either. And might stacking was my next try. Thanks.

Another thought, try taking 4 might stacking runes for 40%+ duration which will give you 70%+ which is more than enough for 25 stacks (90% could be an overkill), and the other 2 runes of 15%+ bleed duration.
Now together with super veggi pizaa, which is much cheaper than rare, u get an exact 51%+ duration that turns Blurry bleeds from 2sec to 3sec (50%+ dmg).
Combustive shot will still go for 4sec even on +36% .
(I’m not talking about all the other bleeds coz they so long as it is so they ussualy get cleansed before they end anyhow)

Delete might stack, just saw you are taking doom instead of battle sigils.
So I would either go for undead runes for 300 cond dmg, or nightmare for 200 and 10%+ duration that toghehter with pizza is 50 —> blurry turns from 2sec to 3 --> +50% dmg.

Since we’re all pals here, how do you think this kinda build works in a small 3-5 roam group as compared to the typical s/wh x hammer type build. I’ve been running the hammer build for a while now, as usual I’m just the beefy cc type guy and we do pretty fine. I’m normally running w/ a necro/ele/or thief combination so I’m not starved for big dmg but I guess I just get kinda tired of just leaping around and knocking people around. Obviously it’s good, just assuming you guys have probably roamed w/ it and yr thoughts on the differences in a small group.

Have you thought about Superior Rune of Antitoxin?

http://wiki.guildwars2.com/wiki/Superior_Rune_of_Antitoxin

Also, your power is low already so 25 in to Defense is pointless. I would suggest 20 in Def and 5 in arms since you’ll have fury up most of the time, 24% crit chance is still decent.

I am in the process of trying to put together a build focusing on Shaman items. Vitality for the increased survivability with Condition for damage, and Healing for group support. Going the banner regen route because I can drop multiple banners to cover more ground and apply more regen. I have never been a fan of Vitality gear but I wanted to give it shot. I will try it for a while and see how it goes.

This is a pure 1vx build. I did not make it for group or zerg play as stated above. anyone whos been on this forum awhile knows I don’t make group and make only 1vx solo roaming videos.