Warrior 1v1
Plenty of options for a warrior to be strong in 1v1. You’ll still lose to a good mesmer and/or very good thieves, but other than that you should have a fighting chance against any class.
Obviously it all depends on your build. The more you specialize the more likely someone will come against you with a build that counters you.
Engi can spec into countering a warrior, no chance of winning from those than.
Thief should always win from a melee warrior (if they are good).
Mesmer will mostly win.
If you forgot to bring sufficient condi clearing or not using lyssa runes, a proper condi necro will most likely poop on you aswel. But you can shut a proper condi necro down 100% aswel, all depending on builds.
Rest is mostly a win if you play good. So I would rate the warrior Good for dueling. Solid choice with multiple builds available to counter certain metas.
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You will lose 100% of the 1v1s to any good player using the following professions:
Condition engineer
Mesmer (any build except PU)
Thief (any build)
Guardian (DPS oriented meditation build with ANY weapon they want)
Condition Necros
It’s funny when people scream warriors are OP but warriors cannot beat any of the above if both players are of equal skill. Guardians are so absurd when specced right. They can do massive damage and have a lot of blocks, blinds, and heals.
some warriors claim to have win rates of 90-100% in duels (WvW)
Just go back and look at some older threads.. idk if they have win rates that high or not, but they definitely can hold their own
In my opinion, Warrior has the ability to deal with many different classes and builds with a single build, due to their ability to spec for many different things at once. Typically equipping a Longbow will allow you better diversity in dealing with many classes, but not necessarily beat them.
However, a typical power warrior will get countered by:
Condition/Hybrid Mesmers
Most Thief Builds (Power or condition)
Condition/Hybrid Engineers
I think this is the most commonly agreed upon list of counters for the warrior. Of course this is highly dependent on skill level. Then again though, most other builds will struggle against these builds themselves. Condition Necros can also give a Warrior fits however the opposite is true as well.
Thieves and Mesmers IMO have the best dueling builds.
In general, warrior excels on larger scales fight, and when the enemy can’t run much, IMHO.
because he doesn’t know it himself
I wonder if the crit kitten erf will affect power Thief’s standing in duels.
Warrior is possibly the best class in PvP due to being able to handle team fights or solo ganks. Some classes may do one of these better, but none can do both of them better than a Warrior.
You will lose 100% of the 1v1s to any good player using the following professions:
Condition engineer
Mesmer (any build except PU)
Thief (any build)
Guardian (DPS oriented meditation build with ANY weapon they want)
Condition Necros
Most of those arent hardcounters tho. From my experience while playing at the top of the eu leaderboards (and duels vs some of the best players in the game):
Condition engineer is a 50/50 fight. The outcome depends on who hits their crucial abbilities first. If you hit your pindown early and force his heal/condicleanse, youre in a good spot to win.
Mesmers are hard if they have the time and arent forced to stay on capturepoints. Which doenst mean you cant win. Mesmers dont have amazing condicleanses so keeping them condied up and hitting your pindowns consistantly will force them to run in a lot of situations. You have to press him hard tho to avoid that he resets over and over.
Thieves are only difficult when they play DP really well imo (and only very few thieves can). If they burst and reset a few times to force your def cd and burst your down before they are back up again. I dont struggle with any of the other thief specs to be honest. As long as i spread my CDs / dont pop all stances at the same time im fine.
DPS guards are imo the closest to a hardcounter in 1v1s. But the specs that do counter you arent that great in rated games tbh so you will rarely encounter them. In fact dps guard isnt that great in general in rated games.
Condition necros are quite similar to condi engineers to be honest. If you hit your big stuff before he does there is a good chance that you win. Hammer warriors have a better shot at winning vs them due to the lockdown playstyle.
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You will lose 100% of the 1v1s to any good player using the following professions:
Condition engineer
Mesmer (any build except PU)
Thief (any build)
Guardian (DPS oriented meditation build with ANY weapon they want)
Condition NecrosMost of those arent hardcounters tho. From my experience while playing at the top of the eu leaderboards (and duels vs some of the best players in the game):
Condition engineer is a 50/50 fight. The outcome depends on who hits their crucial abbilities first. If you hit your pindown early and force his heal/condicleanse, youre in a good spot to win.
Mesmers are hard if they have the time and arent forced to stay on capturepoints. Which doenst mean you cant win. Mesmers dont have amazing condicleanses so keeping them condied up and hitting your pindowns consistantly will force them to run in a lot of situations. You have to press him hard tho to avoid that he resets over and over.
Thieves are only difficult when they play DP really well imo (and only very few thieves can). If they burst and reset a few times to force your def cd and burst your down before they are back up again. I dont struggle with any of the other thief specs to be honest. As long as i spread my CDs / dont pop all stances at the same time im fine.
DPS guards are imo the closest to a hardcounter in 1v1s. But the specs that do counter you arent that great in rated games tbh so you will rarely encounter them. In fact dps guard isnt that great in general in rated games.
Condition necros are quite similar to condi engineers to be honest. If you hit your big stuff before he does there is a good chance that you win. Hammer warriors have a better shot at winning vs them due to the lockdown playstyle.
Could you please provide some build so I could get an idea? Some “all-rounder” for roaming and good 1v1. Thank you
proper shout healing condition bunker only loses against thieves.. rest of the scrub classes dont have enough damage OR mobility Cant kill decent eles and some engis will be occasional suprise – but die 1v1.. never! (except against thieves >.<)
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You will lose 100% of the 1v1s to any good player using the following professions:
Condition engineer
Mesmer (any build except PU)
Thief (any build)
Guardian (DPS oriented meditation build with ANY weapon they want)
Condition NecrosMost of those arent hardcounters tho. From my experience while playing at the top of the eu leaderboards (and duels vs some of the best players in the game):
Condition engineer is a 50/50 fight. The outcome depends on who hits their crucial abbilities first. If you hit your pindown early and force his heal/condicleanse, youre in a good spot to win.
Mesmers are hard if they have the time and arent forced to stay on capturepoints. Which doenst mean you cant win. Mesmers dont have amazing condicleanses so keeping them condied up and hitting your pindowns consistantly will force them to run in a lot of situations. You have to press him hard tho to avoid that he resets over and over.
Thieves are only difficult when they play DP really well imo (and only very few thieves can). If they burst and reset a few times to force your def cd and burst your down before they are back up again. I dont struggle with any of the other thief specs to be honest. As long as i spread my CDs / dont pop all stances at the same time im fine.
DPS guards are imo the closest to a hardcounter in 1v1s. But the specs that do counter you arent that great in rated games tbh so you will rarely encounter them. In fact dps guard isnt that great in general in rated games.
Condition necros are quite similar to condi engineers to be honest. If you hit your big stuff before he does there is a good chance that you win. Hammer warriors have a better shot at winning vs them due to the lockdown playstyle.
A condi engineer can be specced completely into countering warriors, no chance you’ll win then. Unless the engi makes a few brutal mistakes.
I know a few insanely skilled thiefs and yes, they will poop on warriors. Definitely if you use hammer as they evade or dodge every big hit of you and your pindown just gets cleaned off.
A warrior can completely shutdown a condi necro, but that will make you vulnerable to thiefs and you wont be able to anymore after the patch (lyssa runes nerf)
DPS guards do kill warriors yes, I had some very long and really close fights with a few, which I lost in the end. But they are rare and indeed, more form a problem in WvW.
Hybrid mesmer is way more dangerous in WvW than sPvP, shatter mesmer has nothing on a warrior. The hybrid one will poop on the warrior aswel in WvW.
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It really depends on your build on who will win in a 1v1.
Condition based warriors lose to Necros (they throw the bleeds etc back at you).
Power Warriors (Hammer – Axe/shield – Bulls/GS) win Necros. Stun gg.
Condition warriors Win thieves (low Health on Thieves and high Burn ticks)
Power warriors lose to good thieves from blind spaming (you can kill them in the time Berserker Stance is actively though or you avoid their blinds). – don’t stand in the blind fields!!
Condition warriors beat all engineers – EVEN AR !!! – stack conditions before they are at 25% gg.
Power Warriors beat all engineers. – similar to thieves – kill when zerker stance active. – double stability vs de-cap (+lyssa optional).
Condition warriors beat all Guardians (limited Condi cleanses and relatively low Health, also ability to build tanky with condition damage) -Dire/Rabid.
Power Warriors beat DPS guardians imo – Zerker stance their blinds and dodge their 1 burst they have (focus 5 pop and GS 2/Judges combo). – If you can’t then that burst will damage you enough to lose.
Bunker Guardians will be stalemate.
Power warriors Lose to condi warriors played corrected due to being kited when bleeds/burns.
Condi warriors vs Condi warriors comes down to who uses Zerker stance better/dodge better.
Power Warriors Beat most Mesmers (stealth spam PU phantasm can be tough)
Condi Warriors just destroy mesmers.
Power warrior beats Eles – Same as thieves but less Evades from Eles
Condition warriors beat Eles – Same as thieves, just have to reapply often due to superior cleanses.
Warriors beat rangers like everyone other profession.
This is just a small amount of builds in my head when thinking who would win 1v1. Its a great profession to 1v1. The main down sides are, blind spam kills you, being out of melee range kills you and professions that are a 50/50 when played at the high levels will just destroy you. (Great thieves, mesmers and awesome scepter Eles) – others you should really be winning.
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“they are bad in real duels, that’s the conclusion.
they are insane in groups, and vs newbies but terrible vs good players.
even Ele.”
This. You’ll get anecdotal evidence from players about beating trash scrubs in www or spvp. In reality warriors are great in groups where you aren’t being pressured. Outside of that warriors are nearly garbage.
1v1 is not a warrior’s strong suit. They do better than some but will lose against highly skilled guardians, thieves, engineers, and mesmers. I will say though that engineers seem to be the most even fight for warriors 1v1.
they are bad in real duels, that’s the conclusion.
they are insane in groups, and vs newbies but terrible vs good players.
even Ele.
Ye I know an ele and he rarely loses a best of 3. He plays d/d and he definitely doesn’t lose a best of 3 against a warrior. It is a combination of being a skilled player and using the class at max efficiency.
Got to say condi warrior is OP, burn + torment is just too much dmg. But that is because of how OP condition damage is. It ain’t as bad in spvp as it is in WvW. In WvW conditions are 100% out of control :/.
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