Guild Wars 2

is there a chance that warrior will get buffed after all these entries?

Viper.2436:

is there a chance that warrior will get buffed after all these entries?

I’d say yes. When, i’m not so sure though.

There’s so much feedback for them to go through and learn from. I’m hoping in the 2 months or so we see some action from Anet.

Na, warrior are rewarding (compared to other classes) in low skill play, even if hard to do well in high skill play, the developers I believe are genuinly bad players and conceive warrior as “op” because they’re in low skill play and thusly it’s stronger than others. Must be op right?

Obindo.6802:

Na, warrior are rewarding (compared to other classes) in low skill play, even if hard to do well in high skill play, the developers I believe are genuinly bad players and conceive warrior as “op” because they’re in low skill play and thusly it’s stronger than others. Must be op right?

Are you serious ? There way more rewarding classes in low skill play then warriors now.

Revenant, push 3 as hard as you can for the win.
Reaper just roll the face over the keyboard while wielding a staff and watch your enemies melt from condis.
DH… just fill the utility slots with 5 traps, charge in drop everything under yourself and score penta kill.

So no warriors are not even close to be rewarding even in the low skill play now.

Arcade.8901:

Obindo.6802:

Na, warrior are rewarding (compared to other classes) in low skill play, even if hard to do well in high skill play, the developers I believe are genuinly bad players and conceive warrior as “op” because they’re in low skill play and thusly it’s stronger than others. Must be op right?

Are you serious ? There way more rewarding classes in low skill play then warriors now.

Revenant, push 3 as hard as you can for the win.
Reaper just roll the face over the keyboard while wielding a staff and watch your enemies melt from condis.
DH… just fill the utility slots with 5 traps, charge in drop everything under yourself and score penta kill.

So no warriors are not even close to be rewarding even in the low skill play now.

My statement remains. Even if there are any less skill input classes, wich I don’t think – it’s both irrelevant to warrior being so and for reward. If both suck, i.e low skill play, warrior requires little skill input for high reward. Yes, gun flame 12k 1 button. While as I said, low skill play, your opponent who suck also, won’t easily avoid/neglect it. And the other way around the warr benefits the same way.
Note that I said IN LOW SKILL PLAY, i.e they sucks, wich you prolly you can’t relate to, because I don’t figure most ppl are at that lvl. But this is extreme low play, and this ratio of reward in benefit of warrior diminishes the higher skill you are at (given both you and opponent posses ambigious equal skill. Thusly at high skill play, the warrior suffers.

Obindo.6802:

Arcade.8901:

Obindo.6802:

Na, warrior are rewarding (compared to other classes) in low skill play, even if hard to do well in high skill play, the developers I believe are genuinly bad players and conceive warrior as “op” because they’re in low skill play and thusly it’s stronger than others. Must be op right?

Are you serious ? There way more rewarding classes in low skill play then warriors now.

Revenant, push 3 as hard as you can for the win.
Reaper just roll the face over the keyboard while wielding a staff and watch your enemies melt from condis.
DH… just fill the utility slots with 5 traps, charge in drop everything under yourself and score penta kill.

So no warriors are not even close to be rewarding even in the low skill play now.

My statement remains. Even if there are any less skill input classes, wich I don’t think – it’s both irrelevant to warrior being so and for reward. If both suck, i.e low skill play, warrior requires little skill input for high reward. Yes, gun flame 12k 1 button. While as I said, low skill play, your opponent who suck also, won’t easily avoid/neglect it. And the other way around the warr benefits the same way.
Note that I said IN LOW SKILL PLAY, i.e they sucks, wich you prolly you can’t relate to, because I don’t figure most ppl are at that lvl. But this is extreme low play, and this ratio of reward in benefit of warrior diminishes the higher skill you are at (given both you and opponent posses ambigious equal skill. Thusly at high skill play, the warrior suffers.

If you go into those levels of LOW SKILL PLAY.

-CoR spam Revenant = 2 sec CD gunflame spam. – which is not gated behind adrenaline.
-True Shot DH = 4 sec CD gunflame spam. – which is not gated behind adrenaline.

If we don’t involve brain and dodge from both, that’s at the same level of input and reward.

At the same time, at the higher skill play, they don’t suffer, if you look at the league. Where every team has DH, or Revenant. So basically those characters allowed to have low skill floor as you say, but they are not forbidden to have high skill cap. Which makes no sense why Warrior can’t be the same.

Plus, IF that Gunflame build is so OP and everyone runs it in low skill play and rather successful with it, why there is no Gunflame topics, which are usual to pop up from the low skill players ? Maybe because it’s not OP as you think..

Obindo.6802:

Na, warrior are rewarding (compared to other classes) in low skill play, even if hard to do well in high skill play, the developers I believe are genuinly bad players and conceive warrior as “op” because they’re in low skill play and thusly it’s stronger than others. Must be op right?

At “low skill play” a heartseeker thief is the most OP. Also longbow camping hunters are OP as well.

Viper.2436:

is there a chance that warrior will get buffed after all these entries?

That’s a good question. I suppose it’s not that easy a step to make for them, because of colliding interests:

• The ambition for professional PvP. The warrior is lacking in the current PvP scene, as exemplified in the last ESL tournaments. The Berserker spec unfortunately failed to address core warrior issues.
• The will(?) for an easy playable class in PvE, where players can have fun and perform reasonably well, for some moderate effort. Currently, warriors are well tailored for most PvE content.

Arcade.8901:

Obindo.6802:

Arcade.8901:

Obindo.6802:

Na, warrior are rewarding (compared to other classes) in low skill play, even if hard to do well in high skill play, the developers I believe are genuinly bad players and conceive warrior as “op” because they’re in low skill play and thusly it’s stronger than others. Must be op right?

Are you serious ? There way more rewarding classes in low skill play then warriors now.

Revenant, push 3 as hard as you can for the win.
Reaper just roll the face over the keyboard while wielding a staff and watch your enemies melt from condis.
DH… just fill the utility slots with 5 traps, charge in drop everything under yourself and score penta kill.

So no warriors are not even close to be rewarding even in the low skill play now.

My statement remains. Even if there are any less skill input classes, wich I don’t think – it’s both irrelevant to warrior being so and for reward. If both suck, i.e low skill play, warrior requires little skill input for high reward. Yes, gun flame 12k 1 button. While as I said, low skill play, your opponent who suck also, won’t easily avoid/neglect it. And the other way around the warr benefits the same way.
Note that I said IN LOW SKILL PLAY, i.e they sucks, wich you prolly you can’t relate to, because I don’t figure most ppl are at that lvl. But this is extreme low play, and this ratio of reward in benefit of warrior diminishes the higher skill you are at (given both you and opponent posses ambigious equal skill. Thusly at high skill play, the warrior suffers.

If you go into those levels of LOW SKILL PLAY.

-CoR spam Revenant = 2 sec CD gunflame spam. – which is not gated behind adrenaline.
-True Shot DH = 4 sec CD gunflame spam. – which is not gated behind adrenaline.

If we don’t involve brain and dodge from both, that’s at the same level of input and reward.

At the same time, at the higher skill play, they don’t suffer, if you look at the league. Where every team has DH, or Revenant. So basically those characters allowed to have low skill floor as you say, but they are not forbidden to have high skill cap. Which makes no sense why Warrior can’t be the same.

Plus, IF that Gunflame build is so OP and everyone runs it in low skill play and rather successful with it, why there is no Gunflame topics, which are usual to pop up from the low skill players ? Maybe because it’s not OP as you think..

Thank you for making my point. Just as you said, those dont suck in high skill play. Their design happens to ALSO be good in high skill play, whereas warrior/berserker is not. So i rly dont underdtand your confusion…

Plus to the plus. Ppl arent as bad as the devs as i’ve stated I THINK they are. And those who are, are mad cassuals, who dont or are unlikely to be on forums about ‘balance’

Obindo.6802:

Arcade.8901:

Obindo.6802:

Arcade.8901:

Obindo.6802:

Na, warrior are rewarding (compared to other classes) in low skill play, even if hard to do well in high skill play, the developers I believe are genuinly bad players and conceive warrior as “op” because they’re in low skill play and thusly it’s stronger than others. Must be op right?

Are you serious ? There way more rewarding classes in low skill play then warriors now.

Revenant, push 3 as hard as you can for the win.
Reaper just roll the face over the keyboard while wielding a staff and watch your enemies melt from condis.
DH… just fill the utility slots with 5 traps, charge in drop everything under yourself and score penta kill.

So no warriors are not even close to be rewarding even in the low skill play now.

My statement remains. Even if there are any less skill input classes, wich I don’t think – it’s both irrelevant to warrior being so and for reward. If both suck, i.e low skill play, warrior requires little skill input for high reward. Yes, gun flame 12k 1 button. While as I said, low skill play, your opponent who suck also, won’t easily avoid/neglect it. And the other way around the warr benefits the same way.
Note that I said IN LOW SKILL PLAY, i.e they sucks, wich you prolly you can’t relate to, because I don’t figure most ppl are at that lvl. But this is extreme low play, and this ratio of reward in benefit of warrior diminishes the higher skill you are at (given both you and opponent posses ambigious equal skill. Thusly at high skill play, the warrior suffers.

If you go into those levels of LOW SKILL PLAY.

-CoR spam Revenant = 2 sec CD gunflame spam. – which is not gated behind adrenaline.
-True Shot DH = 4 sec CD gunflame spam. – which is not gated behind adrenaline.

If we don’t involve brain and dodge from both, that’s at the same level of input and reward.

At the same time, at the higher skill play, they don’t suffer, if you look at the league. Where every team has DH, or Revenant. So basically those characters allowed to have low skill floor as you say, but they are not forbidden to have high skill cap. Which makes no sense why Warrior can’t be the same.

Plus, IF that Gunflame build is so OP and everyone runs it in low skill play and rather successful with it, why there is no Gunflame topics, which are usual to pop up from the low skill players ? Maybe because it’s not OP as you think..

Thank you for making my point. Just as you said, those dont suck in high skill play. Their design happens to ALSO be good in high skill play, whereas warrior/berserker is not. So i rly dont underdtand your confusion…

Plus to the plus. Ppl arent as bad as the devs as i’ve stated I THINK they are. And those who are, are mad cassuals, who dont or are unlikely to be on forums about ‘balance’

Added simple explanatio: Warr aswell as some others as u’ve mentioned are rewarding for low skill play. So neither will be buffed. But in high skill play warrior/berserker sucks, and not the others, so warrior suffers from this “no buff” state whilst the others do not. You can see “it sucking” like its just far from as good as the others

I’m hoping so, OP.

If Revenant is a “new normal,” then Warrior has a lot of catching up to do in comparison.

Rauderi.8706:

I’m hoping so, OP.

If Revenant is a “new normal,” then Warrior has a lot of catching up to do in comparison.

Lol, I came across this Rev yesterday and all he did was spam Coalescence of Ruin just out of melee range so he could hit me twice with it, and then ran like hell whenever I got close.

The crazy thing is, even though I was clearly a far more competent fighter, he would have won if I actually pursued the engagement after he tried that a few times. I’d have burned up all of my mobility getting to him and he’d still have more to keep away. Meanwhile, I’d have burned up all of my defenses on his early attacks, and he could have kept spamming his #2 skill every 2s for 8k at range….

And that was a matchup between an incompetent Revanant and a Competent warrior, if I do say so myself.

warrior is basically the last class now, they only can be buffed, they is nothing behind.

gannondorf.7628:

warrior is basically the last class now, they only can be buffed, they is nothing behind.

Give gunflame clearer animation, and then buff it, aswell as everything else with berserker (almost) with something that is not 90% faceroll. And no i dont whine about warris “faceroll nubs”. I only play warr and its just so much faceroll atm, even if we suck, its still faceroll the way its designed

Choppy.4183:

Rauderi.8706:

I’m hoping so, OP.

If Revenant is a “new normal,” then Warrior has a lot of catching up to do in comparison.

Lol, I came across this Rev yesterday and all he did was spam Coalescence of Ruin just out of melee range so he could hit me twice with it, and then ran like hell whenever I got close.

The crazy thing is, even though I was clearly a far more competent fighter, he would have won if I actually pursued the engagement after he tried that a few times. I’d have burned up all of my mobility getting to him and he’d still have more to keep away. Meanwhile, I’d have burned up all of my defenses on his early attacks, and he could have kept spamming his #2 skill every 2s for 8k at range….

And that was a matchup between an incompetent Revanant and a Competent warrior, if I do say so myself.

Part of my “catching up” statement was indeed literal. =P
Warrior closers are garbage, and looking at an untraited Revenant, I start to get really jealous for what Warrior should be for both range and melee. I get that they’re supposed to be different play styles, but Warrior is just so basic kitten that it has no power in the new environment.

PvE case, dealing with HoT content. Warrior has insufficient stability and other tools to deal with many of the constant-CC mobs. My Ranger just lobbed my pet at it and laughed. My Mesmer laughs from her absurd condi damage. But base Warrior struggles, and it needs help across the board.

gannondorf.7628:

warrior is basically the last class now, they only can be buffed, they is nothing behind.

If they will buff warrior on pvp while nerfing him in pve then i dont want any changes :/