If you’re dying immediately after using vengeance then l2p. When I mean l2p I mean l2pvt.
Seriously though, stop relying on that invincibility crutch on vengeance. That nerf was well warranted. Did you really think the same huurrrr durrr zerker warrior from PVE would translate well into PVP? Get some Power, Vitality, Toughness armor.
Great, now that you vengeanced you’ll be utterly useless and incapable of damaging or killing anything post-vengeance. You were probably allowed to vengeance in the first place because no decent player will waste time/hp/possible stability spiking a PVT warrior.
Vengeanced PVT warrior: The single most ignorable threat in the game.
EDIT: Sorta on topic, I thought it was general knowledge that warrior downstate was one of the worst?
In general, a good downstate buys time for your team to rez you, not for you to do “MAD DEEPS”. To this end:
*Thief has small range TP to 100% avoid stomp from multiple enemies (unless quickness) and then invis for himself and whoever is rezzing (Very good downed state)
*Ele has an invuln + mist form to 100% avoid stomp from multiple enemies (unless quickness) and then place himself in a position that allows his team to more safely rez, or for him to rez himself out of sight. (Very good downed state)
*Mesmer has an invis/teleport that allows them to 100% avoid stomp from multiple enemies if timed appropriately (unless quickness). Clones are pretty useless. (Decent downed state)
Guardian has an AoE knockback that prevents stomp from multiple players (unless quickness OR stab). Symbol of Judgment assists team with rezzing the guard (Decent downed state)
*Ranger has an AoE stun that allows them to avoid stomp from multiple enemies (unless stab or quickness (actually unsure about stealth since I’m not a ranger expert)). Pet assists in rezzing player, and is godly underwater where stomping is impossible. (Decent downed state above water, best downed state underwater)
*Engie has a single target pull+knockdown that prevents stomp (unless stab, stealth, quickness, aegis (?), multiple stomps), followed by an AoE knockback if enemies take long enough to stomp (countered by stab). Overall this can help assist with rezzing but most of the time someone somewhere will have stab at some point and stomp the engie (Mediocre down state)
*Necro has a single target fear that avoids stomping (unless stab, quickness, stealth or condi immunity, multiple stomps), as well that actually does a reasonable amount of dmg if you stand in it for too long. However, due to number of ways in which to counter their initial ability to prevent stomp, their down state is rather poor (Poor downed state)
*Warrior has a single target, cast-timed ranged knockdown (unless quickness, stab, blind, stealthed, obstructed, dodged (from telegraphed animation), shield blocked, aegis-blocked or multiple stomps). Vengeance revives with low HP and can be reasonably useful but, due to the very-poor anti-stomp mechanism built into warrior downstate, is rarely used. (Terrible down state)
So yes, in a high-level, organized pvp situation where the enemy team actively tries to stomp high-value targets and the friendly team aims at assisting teammates to revive from downed state, warrior has the worst down-state mechanic because of its terrible initial-stomp prevention skill.
Again, the point of the downed state isn’t to deal massive damage or kill people, it’s to buy time for your team to rez you so you can return to your normal role in the fight. Considering this, warrior’s downstate is by far the worst.
I mean seriously, who really complained about vengeance 5s invuln before they changed it? If you were sitting in melee range of a vengeanced war and autoattacking it for the 5s vulnerability period then you deserved to die.
