Guild Wars 2

Is it just me or has going full zerk never been easier.
The most common roaming build i see is Axe shield and greatsword.
With berzerker stance(or stamina signet) endure pain (x 2 through traits) and balanced stance(or dolyak signet) Traitlines strength dicipline and defence.

With this we get access to condition invulnerability for ‘x’ duration, duel invincibility to Direct damage, Potentially four immobilise mitigations through movement skills on weapons alone. (for example, Axe Burst shield, greatsword 3 and 5)Insane pasive healing, and now further reduced cooldowns on shield, which not only block, but reflect projectiles.
Now this makes you pretty tanky without having any stats that give you armor or gvitality, my fully geared warrior has around 20,000 health and 2600-2700 armor, 2560 power 50% crit chance and 222% critical damage (with food buffs, golden dumplings and furious sharpening stones-toughnes to ferocity convert.)

All of this would be pretty insane on its own, now factor in still beign able to land 9-14k evicerates-similar greatsword bursts, unblockable dodges(not even mentioned on the trait and dont have cooldowns) which have landed 3.7k and more depending on might stacking (which is easy to maintain, 25 stacks achievable through the shield trait strength runes and gs crits give might.)

i felt warrior was pretty powerful prior to this patch, and anet now feels like it needs buffing further?
I play all classes and mainly play roaming/smallscale in WvW and this is just became more apparent to me, am i on my own here haha?

https://forum-en.gw2archive.eu/forum/professions/warrior/VIDEO-I-Exy-I-The-Judge-WvW

Ironically a guy just posted a video visualising all this haha :P

http://gw2skills.net/editor/?vJAQNAR3ejMdQVI2FCmhAnIG6BKtN690wCgPICwaoHiBA-TVCHwAEOCAFuAAAOIAd2fov6PPVCCU5XYdDDeAABAQA+tvx38NwRP6RP6RPa/236cn/23kC4itWA-w

Link to the build

Not OP. OP is when something has little to no counters. Warrior has very easy to read animations and we’ve had icons for Berserker Stance and Endure Pain for a long time so you know what to watch for. If those icons pop up all you have to do is wait out the duration and it’s not that hard to kite a bit.

That said, Warrior is also very strong, definitely. It’s very durable even when built fully offensive but that’s because it’s a melee profession. You can’t be squishy if you’re always right in front of what can kill you. Thief has blinds, Guard has blinds and blocks, Warrior has health. If they had less health you’d see a lot more people trying to run rifle and longbow to compensate for how weak they’d be in melee range. We simply need the durability to tank some hits while we lay some hits.

A good Warrior, like in the video above, can be extremely dangerous but as I’ve said, all it takes is knowing the animations. The same can be said for any profession really but more so with Warrior than a lot of others because all the animations are so different and so obvious.

The best way I can think to describe it is; if you’ve ever played Dark Souls and fought Artorias, he seems like an unbeatable beast upon the first few encounters… But after you fight him a few times and start to recognize his attacks at the slightest hint of movement he becomes incredibly easy.

Yes you are on your own, if you are talking about 1v1’s in WvW roaming. It is pretty much accepted that thieves, eles, and mesmers are better at dueling. IMO a good condi engi should beat a good warrior 75% of the time as well.

Warriors have good cleave which is why you see them win outnumbered fights vs bad players because they do not respect the invulnerabilities and instead rush them and multiple players ending up taking damage while doing none or little.

With the access to CC they are good for party play, with the access to good cleave and mobility they are good for running around and flipping camps but they are middle tier for 1v1’s in WvW dueling.

I will agree that the Warrior didn’t need the shield cooldown buffs, but are Warriors OP? No. Are they dangerous and can they wreck face? Yes. A berserker warrior can be beat by alot of different builds.

Cele Eles, D/P thief builds, most mesmer builds, condi engis, a few ranger builds, etc.

You know, every time i see a warrior with full zerker gear or even axe+shield build, i get a fuzzy feeling of a free kill.

warriors are very balanced with many counters, not over powered.

Warrior op, good one.

OP learn to play. I main thief (and I know mesmer is your main), so quit your crying.

Linky.9178:

OP learn to play. I main thief (and I know mesmer is your main), so quit your crying.

He’s not entirely wrong though.

From a roaming perspective, zerk stance warrior was very solid before the patch. I’ve found the gs and shield (along with stances) help handle most thieves if they make a critical error (providing lots of chances to find the error to exploit), though both ele and mesmer had the upper hand.

Not sure what the nerfs to mesmer and ele will mean relative to the buffs to this general build, but time will tell.

To the OP, I’m on the side of warriors being powerful but not overpowered, personally. As others have said, even the build you posted has some pretty exploitable weaknesses if you’re able to maintain pressure while kiting, particularly (but not only) with some condis.

I would actually say that it’s quite contrary to being OP. There’s something really wrong if warriors have to take double invulnerability + two skills for condi immunity to even be able to win fights. On top of that those skills make warrior incredibly boring to play. Warrior used to be my main on game release, after a while I just got bored of the class and rather play thief, mesmer and guardian.

This warrior build can be very dangerous if you’re being sloppy or if you’re playing against a good warrior. Unbeatable? Not at all. OP? No. Boring to play? Yes. If it catches you of guard you’re dead, but some other specs can do it even faster in that case.

Please do remember what spot the warrior was at before they gave it Berserker Stance as it is today, Cleansing Ire and Healing signet? It was a joke. Sad fact is Warriors need these cheesy crap traits and utility skills otherwise they melt. I would rather see Anet coming with something more exciting to play with on Warrior, while keeping the class viable in all game types, but don’t come complaining on the forum because of necessary utilities on warrior without offering good alternative ideas.

There have been enough destructive ideas on warrior that Anet has actually listened to…

Linky.9178:

OP learn to play. I main thief (and I know mesmer is your main), so quit your crying.

I main memser? Wrong(i have only ever mained warrior, and that was when it was my only character, i play all classes), i’ve never lost to a thief as warrior, and crying ? Again, wrong. merely wanting to see where others are standing in regards to the buffs to somthing that didnt need itmin my eyes.
Post your useless ‘learn to play’ garbage elsewhere.

Thanks for the replies, although they are all mostly in regards to the statement warrior op, if you read what i put it wasnt about it being op that was mainly a taster of what i was going on to say…
How about this, why do warriors get acces to a second invincibility so easily (second tier trait and there is nothing else that is as viable.)
Anet went about normalising ele’s access to vigour by placing its cooldown similar to other class’s access. Well warrior’s dodge skill has no cooldown and is unblockable; maybe i shouldn’t have said OP more than this onle trait combination with zerker gear that allows for extremely lowrisk for high reward gameplay.

I haven’t played warrior in who knows how long. However, I will comment but I will get down to the base issue. There is no such thing as balanced roaming. You could end up in a 1 v 10 like that. You likely will not win. So no matter the roaming class you are going to have to play a build (when solo) that can do one of 2 things really well. Disengage or duel. Imho even with buff if a warrior overextends vs the the common roamer classes they will still end up in a pretty fair match.

As said before if you know the animations and buffs it becomes a game of waiting. If you spam abilities during that invul periods and don’t dodge what should the outcome be warrior loses? It really is simple dodge the damage burst when the invuls are over.

As far as rampage being op. If I am on engineer you’ll get moa’d right out and I might pop rampage (50/50 odds) myself. If I am on condi mesmer you just left yourself wide open and I will likely win once used. Thief stealth and wait it out or harass. It has some hard counters and the duration isn’t that long. If you pop it do not feel it is op. It really is pretty balanced.

With the condition party that WvW has become this is far from OP. Warriors have plenty of counters, and a patient player will just wait until BS ends.

Even with the nerfs yesterday, we ran across a guild of mesmers. An entire guild. Mesmers only counter as far as I know are Rangers with full Beastmaster.

Who does that? All classes need counters.

Trepidation Lost.3469:

Thanks for the replies, although they are all mostly in regards to the statement warrior op, if you read what i put it wasnt about it being op that was mainly a taster of what i was going on to say…
How about this, why do warriors get acces to a second invincibility so easily (second tier trait and there is nothing else that is as viable.)
Anet went about normalising ele’s access to vigour by placing its cooldown similar to other class’s access. Well warrior’s dodge skill has no cooldown and is unblockable; maybe i shouldn’t have said OP more than this onle trait combination with zerker gear that allows for extremely lowrisk for high reward gameplay.

It’s not invincibility. It’s immunity. Endure Pain is immunity to direct damage. You can still have conditions applied to you or be CC’d. Mesmer can go “invincible” or rather “invulnerable” to everything every 12seconds, 8 if traited, with Blurred Frenzy. And that’s on top of Distortion, which can be traited to have a lower cooldown than Endure Pain and Distortion that can again be granted from using Signets and vertical mobility with Blink or Portal.

I agree with what another commentator said here, it doesn’t make Warrior’s OP to have these immunities, it makes us the opposite because we have to take them to be viable with an offensive build. Try building glassy and not taking Endure Pain or a shield, see how long you live.

DresdenAllblack.1249:

Even with the nerfs yesterday, we ran across a guild of mesmers. An entire guild. Mesmers only counter as far as I know are Rangers with full Beastmaster.

Pack stealth traps. Seriously, when you come across cheese like that, it’s the best possible response.

There’s nothing funnier than watching a pack of mesmers who think they’re stealthed get obliterated by coordinated burst. It’ll push them right off the map if it happens enough to them.

In highskill play, warrior shouldnt win 1v1 against any class with player of equal skill. Except necro.

Except in the hierarchy of MMO stereotypes it should be them all.

yea warriors are borderline faceroll again. unless it’s a mesmer, nothing really counters them.

if you’re losing 1v1’s as a warrior it’s probly your build or l2p

Barret.4095:

yea warriors are borderline faceroll again. unless it’s a mesmer, nothing really counters them.

if you’re losing 1v1’s as a warrior it’s probly your build or l2p

Then both u and your opponent is bad given equal skill.

Obindo.6802:

In highskill play, warrior shouldnt win 1v1 against any class with player of equal skill. Except necro.

But trying to tell the people in the other thread that warrior ushually would win against cele ele 1v1.
So much FailFish that it is getting weird- I couldn’t resist soz -I really should ignore people like you but your statements are too funny actually.

But probably you are telling me now that WvW is a completly different storry Kappa.

dominik.9721:

Obindo.6802:

In highskill play, warrior shouldnt win 1v1 against any class with player of equal skill. Except necro.

But trying to tell the people in the other thread that warrior ushually would win against cele ele 1v1.
So much FailFish that it is getting weird- I couldn’t resist soz -I really should ignore people like you but your statements are too funny actually.

At no point did I state that warri should or usually win vs dd ele. U just want that perception so u can bring malice upon others ye?

After I had said that you would only beat bad eles with that, you told me how bad/unexperienced I have to be that I don’t see how well an axe warrior works against cele eles. Further you confirmed tarcis post that zerk warr has a 50%/60%/70% winchance against eles which implies that zerk warrior should ushually win against cele ele.
so pls….

Obindo.6802:

Yes. And also I didn’t confirm, read the post again.

Obindo.6802:

Anastasis.7258:

Just want to share some opinion about berserker warrior.
Currently, a decent berserker warrior is having 50/50 chance against anything besides a good mesmer. You can make the chance higher to like 70/30 or 60/40 depends on how you play and how your opponent plays.

Hope this helps.

Thank you <3

If you don’t confirm /agree with that, you disagree? Does not look like you would disagree.

Obindo.6802:

In highskill play, warrior shouldnt win 1v1 against any class with player of equal skill. Except necro.

But saying this then in another thread.
gold 10/10

EDIT: Nice delete btw.

Since perfect balance is pretty much impossible I say go the rock papper scissors route. If an equally skilled heavy and light face each other the light wins, heavy beats medium, but medium beats light. This is assuming equivalent meta gear and equal skill for each and not builds designed to counter only a specific class (like full soldier’s can try against ele, since elementalist can invalidate ferocity and precision when attuned to earth)

Anyone ever try out a settler amulet for a burn/healer guardian?

dominik.9721:

Further you confirmed tarcis post that zerk warr has a 50%/60%/70% winchance against eles which implies that zerk warrior should ushually win against cele ele.
so pls….

Lol, mang we all know that’s BS without somebody even mentioning it. If you happen to catch them out of earth attunement with rampage then yes you might kill them if they don’t manage to gtfo before, but if you don’t run rampage then that they’d have to be quite bad to lose.

killahmayne.9518:

I will agree that the Warrior didn’t need the shield cooldown buffs, but are Warriors OP? No. Are they dangerous and can they wreck face? Yes. A berserker warrior can be beat by alot of different builds.

Cele Eles, D/P thief builds, most mesmer builds, condi engis, a few ranger builds, etc.

Warrior absolutely needed the shield buffs. Warrior sustain was marginal before the adrenaline nerfs, turned to crap after the adrenaline nerfs, and really turned to crap after the shout nerfs.

If you go full zerker, god help you if you don’t take double endure pain, triple stances, and shield. Without those, anyone can burst a Warrior down like nothing.

Trepidation Lost.3469:

Linky.9178:

OP learn to play. I main thief (and I know mesmer is your main), so quit your crying.

I main memser? Wrong(i have only ever mained warrior, and that was when it was my only character, i play all classes), i’ve never lost to a thief as warrior, and crying ? Again, wrong. merely wanting to see where others are standing in regards to the buffs to somthing that didnt need itmin my eyes.
Post your useless ‘learn to play’ garbage elsewhere.

Anyone can post a video of big damage Eviscerate hits, but they never post a video of the countless times Eviscerate gets blocked, blinded, or dodged. Same goes for Killshot, Earthshaker, Skull Crack, etc.

The shield buffs were absolutely necessary just for Warrior to survive. Every class has gravitated to a strong burst meta since the core specialization patch, and if you can’t survive bursts, you are screwed.

Ask yourself why every Warrior build since the June patch runs double endure pain, triple stances, and shield.

i prefer it with sw/sh hammer, but yeah dude this is basic template for zerk warrior in wvw.

it’s good, great in the hands of a skilled player but not OP. it’s predictable & telegraphed, especially a/sh GS.

Never been easier? Man you should have played zerk warrior at launch with quickness and the insane amounts of crit damage. Used to be able to pull off 21-27k Axe F2’s.

Obindo.6802:

Barret.4095:

yea warriors are borderline faceroll again. unless it’s a mesmer, nothing really counters them.

if you’re losing 1v1’s as a warrior it’s probly your build or l2p

Then both u and your opponent is bad given equal skill.

nah i know what i’m talking about, might wanna try playing other classes so you wouldn’t be so biased. the power creep is real and a couple more little buffs like these and warrior is brain dead op again.

I wouldn’t say OP so much as it just being good. Just last night, I managed to beat two warriors running the Axe/Shield+GS set on my Sword/Dagger Acrobatics Thief and they were using the Balanced Stance trait so I couldnt steal daze them very easily. Of course, the only reason I beat them was because they werent very good until the next fight when they learned how to coordinate their eviscerates on me but still. If that build was OP theres no way I would have been able to beat both of them at the same time on my S/D.

Basically, I think Axe/Shield+GS is strong but not OP. Just gotta learn to dodge those eviscerates and Arcing Slices. So long as it doesnt get buffed more, it should be fine.

They just have, insane mobility, insane escapes (especially using sword and shield and gs) it just feels like a class to playw hen youre too tired to play somthign that requires some thought and not just baiting dodges then pressing one button to land 12k( Axe f1 or sword 3 or gs f1)

nicknamenick.2437:

Trepidation Lost.3469:

They just have, insane mobility, insane escapes (especially using sword and shield and gs) it just feels like a class to playw hen youre too tired to play somthign that requires some thought and not just baiting dodges then pressing one button to land 12k( Axe f1 or sword 3 or gs f1)

Then play mesmer in wvw, problem solved.

About your insane mobility argument:
Ranger swoop alone does the same as Warrior GS + Sword together..
So thats not so valid to say warrior has insane mobility.
Most classes have the same if not more incombat mobility, warrior just have a bit more landspeed skills.. but even that issnt always the case because even mesmers can be king of landspeed travel.

and about:
“requires some thought and not just baiting dodges”

So baiting dodges doesnt requires some tought?? wut? wow..
You know you can do the same to warriors right? bait there stances and strike them after it. dont charge if they pop them.. kite them.

Kite! just DO IT! and stop crying that you cant facetank a warrior and when you kite well you WILL win.. and when the warrior runs away? then /laugh

All i see are posts from you crying about this build or the axe/shield+gs build.. ow wait there you say ALL warriors run Axe+shield and now you speak about sword/shield+Gs wut? haha anyways, it all comes to:

L2p

Feel sorry for how much time you wasted posting that kitten puss.
I playw arrior, and im saying its OP from my point of view hahahahaha, i play mesmer aswell? L2p? learn to read m8
<3

Trepidation Lost.3469:

Feel sorry for how much time you wasted posting that kitten puss.
I playw arrior, and im saying its OP from my point of view hahahahaha, i play mesmer aswell? L2p? learn to read m8
<3

If you play warrior, how could you not know that it’s “insane mobility” was changed to put us at the high end of the middle of the pack with the June 23 patch? I run a sword and gs build and couldn’t close the distance on a ranger running just his greatsword last night.

Also, how could you not know that high toughness is the neglected beaten stepchild of defense compared to blinds, evades, etc?

Trepidation Lost.3469:

https://forum-en.gw2archive.eu/forum/professions/warrior/VIDEO-I-Exy-I-The-Judge-WvW

Ironically a guy just posted a video visualising all this haha :P

I like how people watch these compilations designed to look as impressive as possible from the uploader’s intent, while also apply confirmation bias as why “this proves the build is OP”. Lets not even attempt to bring up the OTHER Warriors in that video that share the exact same build that the uploader put down without much effort along with his 2 buddies. It is entirely possible that the guy playing in the video was really good, and the people he fought weren’t. After all, hardly anyone uploads compilation montages of the user dying.

Trepidation Lost.3469:

nicknamenick.2437:

Trepidation Lost.3469:

They just have, insane mobility, insane escapes (especially using sword and shield and gs) it just feels like a class to playw hen youre too tired to play somthign that requires some thought and not just baiting dodges then pressing one button to land 12k( Axe f1 or sword 3 or gs f1)

Then play mesmer in wvw, problem solved.

About your insane mobility argument:
Ranger swoop alone does the same as Warrior GS + Sword together..
So thats not so valid to say warrior has insane mobility.
Most classes have the same if not more incombat mobility, warrior just have a bit more landspeed skills.. but even that issnt always the case because even mesmers can be king of landspeed travel.

and about:
“requires some thought and not just baiting dodges”

So baiting dodges doesnt requires some tought?? wut? wow..
You know you can do the same to warriors right? bait there stances and strike them after it. dont charge if they pop them.. kite them.

Kite! just DO IT! and stop crying that you cant facetank a warrior and when you kite well you WILL win.. and when the warrior runs away? then /laugh

All i see are posts from you crying about this build or the axe/shield+gs build.. ow wait there you say ALL warriors run Axe+shield and now you speak about sword/shield+Gs wut? haha anyways, it all comes to:

L2p

Feel sorry for how much time you wasted posting that kitten puss.
I playw arrior, and im saying its OP from my point of view hahahahaha, i play mesmer aswell? L2p? learn to read m8
<3

Feel sorry for you probably being a kittenter and getting rekt by warriors then coming here to complain. If it’s from your point of view then don’t come trying to hammer it in people’s heads that IT IS what your point of view is. If you’d have played enough warrior you’d know that it’s far from OP in 1v1s, but it seems u haven’t. Pro-tip if you’re playing a condi build don’t waste ur kitten when the war has zerker stance up, just disengage. The number of bads who facetank me while I have it up then get rekt and ask me how I took no dmg from their condis is ridiculous.

Trepidation Lost.3469:

Is it just me or has going full zerk never been easier.
The most common roaming build i see is Axe shield and greatsword.
With berzerker stance(or stamina signet) endure pain (x 2 through traits) and balanced stance(or dolyak signet) Traitlines strength dicipline and defence.

With this we get access to condition invulnerability for ‘x’ duration, duel invincibility to Direct damage, Potentially four immobilise mitigations through movement skills on weapons alone. (for example, Axe Burst shield, greatsword 3 and 5)Insane pasive healing, and now further reduced cooldowns on shield, which not only block, but reflect projectiles.
Now this makes you pretty tanky without having any stats that give you armor or gvitality, my fully geared warrior has around 20,000 health and 2600-2700 armor, 2560 power 50% crit chance and 222% critical damage (with food buffs, golden dumplings and furious sharpening stones-toughnes to ferocity convert.)

All of this would be pretty insane on its own, now factor in still beign able to land 9-14k evicerates-similar greatsword bursts, unblockable dodges(not even mentioned on the trait and dont have cooldowns) which have landed 3.7k and more depending on might stacking (which is easy to maintain, 25 stacks achievable through the shield trait strength runes and gs crits give might.)

i felt warrior was pretty powerful prior to this patch, and anet now feels like it needs buffing further?
I play all classes and mainly play roaming/smallscale in WvW and this is just became more apparent to me, am i on my own here haha?

When neither conditions nor power (direct damage) are not making a dent even when two are hitting a single player (or more in some cases) something isn’t balanced at all – and Anet knows it, but after three years they couldn’t care less – we have all felt the “power creep” here more than most games.

And it’s pigeon-holing many into anything but play your way.

“Troll builds” must have a counter or they are devastating and game-changing in WvW where still to this day, pets don’t grow up, pets have half the life they do in pvE and eles, mesmers and warriors rule.

All others better be in much larger groups than ever before to take on anyone in WvW with any of the few troll build out now.

The “Meta” has ruined pvp, and now it’s ruined WvW… what’s next? PvE too?

Or just stop being a group of a 3 kitten s that ALL stand in axe cleave and end up taking 5k+ dmg when they can limit that to much less. Seriously look at how the groups of people play in these clips, they just rush like kittens without popping anything and then by the time they realize they lost too much HP they’re dead.

That’s a good build. Would it be viable in dungeons, too?

Wasnt this post before HoT?