Guild Wars 2

So I want to use my money to level up to 80 one of my characters.
I have lvl 50 Warrior and lvl 54 Thief.

Which one would you chose for WvW and PvE?
Thief seems much more “fun” ( annoying people with stealth) , but Warrior is more powerful (extremely high DPS).

My main so far has been Guardian – over 400 hours play time.

Thieves are far better than warriors at roaming, but warriors are no slouches.

Thieves and warriors can both be annoying if specced right (CC train warrior, stealth/blind spam thief), so none of them are really more annoying than the other.

Warrior damage is high in pve, but a thief’s can be even higher. Sadly, trying to deal that much damage as a thief is usually suicide.

Warriors are better in zergs in general, but a thief can thrive with a blast and blind heavy build (mass might, mass stealth, mass healing) while hunting down solo ranged targets.

Thieves are usually more survivable than warriors due to stealth, at least in small scale combat.

Overall, I think the warrrior is better. However, thieves are really good at small scale combat and roaming, so if that’s your thing pick a thief instead.

Well, I mostly tend to play wvw in teams, however, it’s extremely annoying to play melee with all the wvw zerg lag.
If I play GS Guardian and we’re having 20vs20+ game becomes unplayable – run and spam AoE hoping to hit something.

Warrior’s Roam perfectly fine.

And the survivability for Warrior?
Currently at level 50 my warrior feels kinda week – dies easily and heals are below average.

@Nick I wouldnt worry until 80 when you then spec your warrior the way you want with gear/traits etc.

Though call since you asked PvE and WvWvW, because in my honest opinion, thieves are fun in WvWvW, but kinda boring in PvE. Warriors are fun in WvWvW but not as fun as thief because you actually die sometimes or get ganked by million thieves that roam all around. In PvE warrior is just extremely fun, so much builds and so much variations to do and you can take/deal damage like a baws.

well i have a warrior and a thief (and 4 other 80s) and compared the warrior was the easiest at leveling and the fastest (have mesmer ele guardian and ranger too). thief wvw roaming is just boring u have way more fun with a warrior in wvw.. i run a berserker warrior with 0 20 20 0 30 with full berserker gear and accesoirs and survivabilty is better then expected and u can kill everything. i love how thiefs run after u and u insta gib them with a stun and axe burst skill way to funny.. and if u see thief running d/p just use berserker stance and kill him while he thinks hes invul coz of perma blind

Nick.6972:

Well, I mostly tend to play wvw in teams, however, it’s extremely annoying to play melee with all the wvw zerg lag.
If I play GS Guardian and we’re having 20vs20+ game becomes unplayable – run and spam AoE hoping to hit something.

Warrior has longer ranged options than the thief, but thief shortbow is an insanely versatile weapon. If another toon is an option, you may want to consider a ranger. Their single target ranged damage-over-time exceeds anything warriors or thieves are capable of. If it truly is only between a warrior and thief, go with the warrior.

I’d say for PvE a warrior is a safer choice if your looking for safe that is

Warrior at 80 in full berserker gear has alot more hp than a thief i think its like 19-20k health corect me if im wrong.

the thief is only around 10-12k health plus heavy vs medium armour the warrior is alot more forgiving if you make a mistake in pve.

make no mistake though enough mistakes or a bad enough one will screw you on either:P in either setting

Warrior for easier, slower paced gameplay and less utility variety.

Thief for harder, faster paced gameplay and more utility variety.

It’s really that simple. Warrior is this big, bulky brute of a class. Very simple to figure out and play.

Thief is more lithe and fast paced. A lot more involved no matter what you’re doing.

Would you rather be the guy hiding in the Shadow Refuge or the guy running into the Shadow Refuge with Staggering Blow/Stomp/Earthshaker to kill the little brat that’s been poking him and running away all day.

There’s no sound effect I hate more in this game than that of a Thief’s daggers plinking on my armor.

Dembian.9257:

I’d say for PvE a warrior is a safer choice if your looking for safe that is

Warrior at 80 in full berserker gear has alot more hp than a thief i think its like 19-20k health corect me if im wrong.

the thief is only around 10-12k health plus heavy vs medium armour the warrior is alot more forgiving if you make a mistake in pve.

make no mistake though enough mistakes or a bad enough one will screw you on either:P in either setting

Heavy armor doesn’t do much better against direct damage than medium. It only stops an additional 6.91% (Source). So, base thief takes 1000, base warrior takes 931. The health pool helps, but you still have to know how to play.

Warriors are so popular in PvE because of their massive cleave damage. I’m not arguing thieves are better in PvE, but a serker warrior isn’t that much more forgiving than a serker thief; maybe not more forgiving at all when you consider all the spammable evades attached to thief weapons.

i know it doesn’t help much but as i said make mistakes you will be punished on either class but a warrior is a little more tanky than a thief when it concerns pve atleast:)

While I love and play both classes at level 80, I can’t recommend one or the other universally. I have to simply say, “play what you like.”

Tsezar.6950:

well i have a warrior and a thief (and 4 other 80s) and compared the warrior was the easiest at leveling and the fastest (have mesmer ele guardian and ranger too). thief wvw roaming is just boring u have way more fun with a warrior in wvw.. i run a berserker warrior with 0 20 20 0 30 with full berserker gear and accesoirs and survivabilty is better then expected and u can kill everything. i love how thiefs run after u and u insta gib them with a stun and axe burst skill way to funny.. and if u see thief running d/p just use berserker stance and kill him while he thinks hes invul coz of perma blind

Terrible players really, anyone now knows how to counter that gimmick stun+hb or eviserate is really easy and predictable.

If you ever want to do pvp go thief, and even wvw.

Thief single-target DPS is far higher than Warrior.

Fenrir.5493:

Tsezar.6950:

well i have a warrior and a thief (and 4 other 80s) and compared the warrior was the easiest at leveling and the fastest (have mesmer ele guardian and ranger too). thief wvw roaming is just boring u have way more fun with a warrior in wvw.. i run a berserker warrior with 0 20 20 0 30 with full berserker gear and accesoirs and survivabilty is better then expected and u can kill everything. i love how thiefs run after u and u insta gib them with a stun and axe burst skill way to funny.. and if u see thief running d/p just use berserker stance and kill him while he thinks hes invul coz of perma blind

Terrible players really, anyone now knows how to counter that gimmick stun+hb or eviserate is really easy and predictable.

If you ever want to do pvp go thief, and even wvw.

ofc because 99.99 ppl in wvw are just bad but counting dodges and stuning from point blank helps alot. if u do a point blank stun its not be able to dodge unless its a random dodge and evenf u dont hit you f1 burst you do alot of dmg with axe autoattack. one chain up to 10k dmg. thief is just boring in wvw just 5 and 1 or 5 2 if d/p its not a chellenge and gets rly boring fast

Definately the warrior. It has higher armor higher health deals more damage. Overall better character and gets buffed every patch whereas the thief gets nerfed every patch.

Warrior is the easy mode in this game, only use a thief if you’re a masochist.

I have both fully geared, I prefer the warrior because I’m stubborn or stupid, as much fun as pressing 2 2 2 on thief and seeing 7k 7k 7k it just feels wrong to me.

Warrior and Thief are similar. Both are very mobile, both can offer high burst damage.

Where they differ is, warrior defense and survivability is more reactionary, I.E. you react to what you get hit by or are gonna get hit by using your defenses. It can take some brunt even in squishy armor.

Thief defense is more anticipation and not getting hit at all because most of the more effective builds will have you very glassy in the armor department.

Unlike what some might tell you warrior isn’t simpler to play for everyone. Its really subjective here. Warriors have a more clear cut direct approach in their combat but its also arguable thieves have far more room for mistakes due to the brief reprieve in combat stealth can provide, making it ultimately simpler to play for some.

Whichever one you pick rest assured they can both have their moments.

Thieves are great at WvW roaming, and its their primary niche. You won’t see thieves used for anything as much as they are used for that. They do better solo.

Warriors excel in PvE and with the new patch in certain PvP areas too, and group based combat they are arguably far more useful when played right than a thief.

Also take into account Warriors can have a very deadly condition setup now as well as burst, so I’d say go warrior, plus having mained both, warrior feels far more rewarding.

Be prepared for hard fights in PvP as a warrior though, they are widely accepted as the easiest class to fight against due to their predictable approach to combat, so it will for you likely be the harder one to PvP with.

PistolWhip.2697:

Warrior and Thief are similar.

No……….

Tsezar.6950:

Fenrir.5493:

Tsezar.6950:

well i have a warrior and a thief (and 4 other 80s) and compared the warrior was the easiest at leveling and the fastest (have mesmer ele guardian and ranger too). thief wvw roaming is just boring u have way more fun with a warrior in wvw.. i run a berserker warrior with 0 20 20 0 30 with full berserker gear and accesoirs and survivabilty is better then expected and u can kill everything. i love how thiefs run after u and u insta gib them with a stun and axe burst skill way to funny.. and if u see thief running d/p just use berserker stance and kill him while he thinks hes invul coz of perma blind

Terrible players really, anyone now knows how to counter that gimmick stun+hb or eviserate is really easy and predictable.

If you ever want to do pvp go thief, and even wvw.

ofc because 99.99 ppl in wvw are just bad but counting dodges and stuning from point blank helps alot. if u do a point blank stun its not be able to dodge unless its a random dodge and evenf u dont hit you f1 burst you do alot of dmg with axe autoattack. one chain up to 10k dmg. thief is just boring in wvw just 5 and 1 or 5 2 if d/p its not a chellenge and gets rly boring fast

I think there are so much stun breaks and teleports that is just like a rudeness to make the warrior class the one that rely on melee attacks mostly to need to land a CC in order to make a fair amount of damage, warrior seriously has serious problems, at least like you said, eviserate can be used without the stun, but hb no, and this is why this skill needs to be reworked seriously.

On the mean time we have mesmers doind berserker damage more high than the actual true whirlwind of a warrior, thieves doing 80% health backstabs from stealth, rangers/elementalist/engineers bunkering like a warrior should bunker, guardians dealing more damage in a more reliable way than warrior does….

Warrior
Pros: High health to survive spike damage. Moderate sustain. Solid melee DPS, melee CC, and ranged DPS options. Good mobility. Good as roamers, Good Small Group, Excellent zergers.
Cons: Low damage avoidance, some weapons over specialize (no versatility) or under perform.

Thief
Pros: Excellent “surprise” spike damage, backstab, etc. Incredible mobility. Moderate sustain. Excellent as roamers, Excellent small group, Poor zergers. Easy to disengage and escape (stealth).
Cons: Poor survival vs spike damage (inc spike=GTFO immediately), less viable ranged options.

So it’s a matter of personal choice. I’d say the two classes are quite balanced in regards to one another currently. Thieves make better WvW solo/roam/havocs but Warriors can still perform those roles with a little effort, and make much better zergers.

In PvE, Warriors are slightly better than Thief overall, simply because the Stealth mechanic is amazing in PvP/WvW but underwhelming in PvE. Zerker War vs Zerker Thief will both output excellent DPS, however a warrior facetanks better with high HP, and endure pain. I would be okay with a PvE version of Stealth getting a large duration buff, long as it didn’t affect WvW/PvP.

Fenrir.5493:

PistolWhip.2697:

Warrior and Thief are similar.

No……….

Yes

OP I’d ignore Fenrir, he constantly moans and whines about Thieves because he has trouble beating them on his warrior apparently. His words are surely biased.

There is in fact a lot of helpful advice here on this thread though.

Fenrir.5493:

Tsezar.6950:

Fenrir.5493:

Tsezar.6950:

well i have a warrior and a thief (and 4 other 80s) and compared the warrior was the easiest at leveling and the fastest (have mesmer ele guardian and ranger too). thief wvw roaming is just boring u have way more fun with a warrior in wvw.. i run a berserker warrior with 0 20 20 0 30 with full berserker gear and accesoirs and survivabilty is better then expected and u can kill everything. i love how thiefs run after u and u insta gib them with a stun and axe burst skill way to funny.. and if u see thief running d/p just use berserker stance and kill him while he thinks hes invul coz of perma blind

Terrible players really, anyone now knows how to counter that gimmick stun+hb or eviserate is really easy and predictable.

If you ever want to do pvp go thief, and even wvw.

ofc because 99.99 ppl in wvw are just bad but counting dodges and stuning from point blank helps alot. if u do a point blank stun its not be able to dodge unless its a random dodge and evenf u dont hit you f1 burst you do alot of dmg with axe autoattack. one chain up to 10k dmg. thief is just boring in wvw just 5 and 1 or 5 2 if d/p its not a chellenge and gets rly boring fast

I think there are so much stun breaks and teleports that is just like a rudeness to make the warrior class the one that rely on melee attacks mostly to need to land a CC in order to make a fair amount of damage, warrior seriously has serious problems, at least like you said, eviserate can be used without the stun, but hb no, and this is why this skill needs to be reworked seriously.

On the mean time we have mesmers doind berserker damage more high than the actual true whirlwind of a warrior, thieves doing 80% health backstabs from stealth, rangers/elementalist/engineers bunkering like a warrior should bunker, guardians dealing more damage in a more reliable way than warrior does….

well 100b is kinda kitten thats true. i only use it when i have ppl downed and other want to rezz them or when i want enemys to move away from me or something. axe autoattack dooes the same/more amount of damage in the same tim ewhile u dont have to stand still as i said axe autoattack does up to 10k dmg in one chain and thats a ton of dmg in a short time. gs autoattack does the same damage then 100b in the same time when u dont hit 100b final atack and a bit less when u hit the final attack.

most classes skills does the same dps then the autoattack when they dont have special effects

for me warrior is a lot of fun and i can kill everything with my build and full berserker gear. if i cant kill it, it cant kill me too.

the only class that troubles me are thiefes with d/p when i dont see it coming and cant change to berserker stance in time.. u can still beat them but its a bit tricky and harder wwithout the stance.. if u cant manage to kill him try to get out of combat change slot skills and kill him with ease..

this shows again how gw2 is based. bring the build not the player.. one slot skill changes the whole outcome of a fight.. isnt it terrible?

Thieves are for 1vX in WvW. In my experience, in a 1v1 a Warrior will usually beat a thief (weird, I know).

Get warrior definitely.
I have all professions full geared out at lvl 80 and I hate my thief. IMHO most useless class at every aspect of the game except running around, and if you are running away from people in PvP then you are sort of doing the exact opposite of fighting and will spend most of your time walking around the map or away from people when you take 3+ hits. Lets be honest, no one likes walking the entire WvW map yet thieves do it every fight they encounter because you don’t actually notice how much time is spent running on a thief.

Turbo Whale.1738:

Thieves are for 1vX in WvW. In my experience, in a 1v1 a Warrior will usually beat a thief (weird, I know).

A badly played thief maybe. You have to be an exceptional warrior to have a slight chance at beating a decent thief if they are built right, and the reality is that if the thief realizes he is up against someone who is a better player than him, he can just run away and continue looking for bad players to faceroll.

Ashanor.5319:

if the thief realizes he is up against someone who is a better player than him, he can just run away and continue looking for bad players to faceroll.

Initiate a fight… find out you bit off more than you can chew… run! Yep, sounds like a lot of the thieves I see.