Guild Wars 2

The shouts we get and the accompanying trait, seem really bad even if you’d like to offer support to your team, be it in pvp, wvw or pve. Maybe in the first year of the game they might have seemed decent, but with HoT I don’t see anyone ever using them.

I’ll try to offer some suggestions to improve them, but feel free to make better suggestions.

“To the Limit!” -> Should give 10 seconds of retaliation to allies and self instead of 25 endurance. This gives some synergy with the Spiked Armor trait.

“For Great Justice!” -> 5 stacks of Might instead of 3 and add 6 seconds of Stability (3 stacks).

“Shake it Off!” -> Should remove 2 conditions instead of 1, and cool down lowered from 25 seconds to 20 seconds. Would offer good synergy with Trooper runes.

“Fear Me!” -> Always 3 seconds of Fear regardless of target proximity, as well as 10 seconds of Weakness. The cool down of 60 seconds is very long, so it has to be worth it.

“On My Mark!” -> I would just change the function of this shout completely, other classes have way better methods to stack Vulnerability without having to devote an entire utility slot to purely that condition.

Vigorous Shouts -> Improve the Adrenaline gain from 5 to 10.

What do you think?

Good stuff here

Wouldn’t mind giving stances some love too
They need a heap more interactions than just one button click every 40 ish seconds

1: If stances had more interaction they would be very op. The only one that needs some rework is Frenzy

2: Shouts would be great if they could figure out how to balance their healing. as it stands i think the only thing they eed is to have them scale with healing power more. then they would not be worth it unless you actually made the sacrifice and traited into healing power. you’d give up burst for the healing. but then you’d have that annoying berserker condi, so you’d end up with a crap ton of immortal Sage amulet shout builds.

That’s why I suggested to improve the shouts themselves, rather than the traited healing. Warriors have enough healing, they really don’t need any more, it is the shouts themselves that need to be a lot better. That way you can also use the shouts without having to trait for them and having to take the Tactics line. You’re already pretty much forced to take the elite trait line.

no warriors dont have enough healing – all their healing is in a single trait and the rest is just small numbers – thats why EVERYONE runs defense trait line – simply because of that one OP (minor, lol) trait. shouts need better healing with healing power, ermkelly + 1 – also AH needs nerf and there need to be more options for warrior healing distributed through all the trait lines trading off with damage traits.

Right now the only shout i use i FTJ when running around in hot maps doing events and such (so no double banner), the other shouts are all quite underwhelming.
I think we are stuck with them, anet balance patches seem to be more about tweaking numbers here and there than reworking utilities or traits (take a look at guardian for example… for how long they asked for a sword rework, spirit weapons, trait synergies? nothing ever happened).

Steelo.4597:

no warriors dont have enough healing – all their healing is in a single trait and the rest is just small numbers – thats why EVERYONE runs defense trait line – simply because of that one OP (minor, lol) trait. shouts need better healing with healing power, ermkelly + 1 – also AH needs nerf and there need to be more options for warrior healing distributed through all the trait lines trading off with damage traits.

I have to agree here. Without defense you have very little healing. If you want to run a PvE build without defense line, then be prepared to get sigil of leeching or sigil of blood and some food that would help you sustain. I think some re-work on shouts or healing in general would be nice.

i use them, only in pvp for a ridiculously high sustain build,
they do need an update though, have they even been touched since release? powercreep has left them long behind,

Vigorous Shouts for example should heal for way more, classes now click a button and deal 8k dmg, 1k healing on shouts is pretty awful for a grandmaster.

Steelo.4597:

no warriors dont have enough healing – all their healing is in a single trait and the rest is just small numbers – thats why EVERYONE runs defense trait line – simply because of that one OP (minor, lol) trait. shouts need better healing with healing power, ermkelly + 1 – also AH needs nerf and there need to be more options for warrior healing distributed through all the trait lines trading off with damage traits.

I get what your saying, but warrior trait lines are already muddy and confused. Washing healing traits through every trait line to create opportunity costs will only muddy the water further. This how we end up with traits like inspiring banners being found where it is.

Healing warriors use it haha funny enough it heals for quite a lot with healing gear and transference sigil get regain on banner trait and you have perma regain. Sure are way better healing options on other classes but hey its there shouts do need a rework tho.

For Great Justice could remove weakness and give more might

I agree that on my Mark need a rework. I agree on fear me + weakness with cd reduced. I agree with a 20sec cd shake it off.
Can’t agree with stab on for great justice. Yes it can use 5 stack of might, but let’s be honest, 3 stack of stability is way too much.

Lalainnia.3598:

Healing warriors use it haha funny enough it heals for quite a lot with healing gear and transference sigil get regain on banner trait and you have perma regain. Sure are way better healing options on other classes but hey its there shouts do need a rework tho.

They still in better place than guardian when reaches healing power stats ~:P, i actually im moving from guard to warrior, better sustain and better damage, still sseing if ill play vanilla or berserker, since i hate being carried by condis.

On guardian Anet reduced the CD because class is very lackluster, still even that lowered CD’s didnt help, would warrior beneficieate from a shout CD that much?