Guild Wars 2

hi guys, just want to voice my concern with the reaper vs warrior. IMO reaper might be replacing the warrior as the melee king. not only that reaper will do massive amount of damage it will also apply chill to enemies making if very usefull at chasing casters such as ele or mesmer, given the ability to boon strip will be also melt any guardians. as a warrior do you think our elite specialisation will be at par with the reaper? mr. hugh who i know plays a warrior as main was very amaze at what a reaper can do during live stream as stated by rubi.

Interrupt Mesmer will counter Reaper (and necro as it stands) hard. Chronomancer slow will make those channeled cast times a nightmare. The chronmancer -% chill trait will directly counter the chill spam. Mesmer in particular’s best defence against condi/chill spam is to not get hit, but overall mesmers will have better access to some form of condi removal. As for Reaper damage… evading/avoiding a melee class is the least of a Mesmers worries. Thieves dont count since regardless of what you might consider “melee” for them can’t apply when the thief himself is an insta teleport ranged projectile -_-u

Does ele suffer condi spam right now? 4 Atuments to choose from, one of those being the cleanse king…

Necro’s might be the chill king, but I don’t know why they’d beat out warrior for the melee king.

Necro will probably have similar or maybe even higher DPS in melee, but warrior will still rek a necro, funny enough. Chill sucks, but we have so many options to cleanse that condi specifically, and necro’s can’t deal with CC.

92% certain necro will not be able to out DPS warrior.

Remember all builds are getting a large power boost, not just the new specializations.

Also remember dogged march.

So, 8% chance? That’s not too bad…

Necro is getting a low CD skill that pulse stability in their DS…
that means reaper will get higher stab uptime then triple stance war

Cygnus.6903:

Necro will probably have similar or maybe even higher DPS in melee, but warrior will still rek a necro, funny enough. Chill sucks, but we have so many options to cleanse that condi specifically, and necro’s can’t deal with CC.

How is this the case? Every way I see it with the skills reaper has they have an advantage over base warrior in a straight fight.

so the rumored merging of traits for warrior will give warrior higher dps but thats mostly from core traits, i wanted to know about elite specialisation. hope they wont make warrior way behind reaper elite specilisation.

Warrior is a melee king? It’s a buffing class. Warrior has low tier DPS in PvE and bottom tier DPS in sPvP. For great healing!

Is it wrong that a more mobile class would lose in a stationary slugfest with a highly immobile class? Isn’t that the point of it being so immobile?

How i picture things, i believe the shout necromancer could really shine in melee trains if it gets enough sustain to resist the usual bombing (at least as well as guardians and warriors). Since they have a large healthpool and lifeforce mechanics, i’d say we’re halfway there, but not quite. We still lack an invulnerable ability whatsoever and dodge enhancement.
BUT. Seeing the new traits for deathshroud gives me hope (protection out of shroud, regeneration of LF or HP…) and I believe it would be greatly beneficial for the WvW experience to expand its diversity by having not just two melee classes, but four (fantasizing on the new GWER = Guardian, Warrior, Necromancer and Revenant).

As for PvE, we all know speedrunning is about utility (offensive and defensive) more than dps. I doubt the Necromancer will in any way go that direction (they did take out the weakness rotation after all). And in PvP, i’m wondering how a chillbunker would fair against usuall 2vs1 or 3vs1, since its the only i can imagine where no mobility isnt an issue.

The Necro Reaper should not “replace” the Warrior, and will probably never do, but it might just fill in new roles. And I believe it was build with such mindset.

Sigmoid.7082:

Cygnus.6903:

Necro will probably have similar or maybe even higher DPS in melee, but warrior will still rek a necro, funny enough. Chill sucks, but we have so many options to cleanse that condi specifically, and necro’s can’t deal with CC.

How is this the case? Every way I see it with the skills reaper has they have an advantage over base warrior in a straight fight.

I don’t… You can use stance to negate any chill, any hard hitting attacks, and then you retaliate with CC which the necro has a hard time with. And you can get built in 53% reduction on chill, way higher if you incorporate food. Nah, condi necro is the only thing that scares me as a warrior, reaper won’t be added to that list I believe.

I might play a reaper though, looks like a lot of fun.

and then you retaliate with CC which the necro has a hard time with.

A reaper has far more stability than a necro. CC is less of a problem for them as is pindown since they have a much higher movement impairing condition reduction than warriors . They would counter your stance by still hitting you to generate lf and not leave shroud till its over. Still cant see how a base warrior would win in a melee fight. I wont use my warrior to fight one head on cause i can just see it losing or maybe i am just bad on my warrior.

As a necro main, I believe I’m contractually obligated to come in here and talk kitten…

“Hahahaha, fear the reaper scrubboys. We’re gonna chilllock you for days and cleave your minis for life force. Hahahahahaha”

Right, with that out of the way.

Reaper isn’t going to be so overwhelmingly powerful that a better warrior can’t win out over a less-skilled reaper. And vice versa, really. I think it’ll be a pretty solid, even match.

I don’t fear the Reaper. I have it on good authority the new warrior weapon will be a cowbell.

Hear that Reapers, we’re gettin’ MOAR COWBELL!

Choppy.4183:

I don’t fear the Reaper. I have it on good authority the new warrior weapon will be a cowbell.

Hear that Reapers, we’re gettin’ MOAR COWBELL!

My sides.

While not exactly Reaper, it seems like some particular Condi combinations for Necromancer/Reaper may be quite nasty for Warriors, ones not rolling full shoutbow.

If I were Warrior, I wouldn’t really fear the Reaper (^.^). Unless Blighter’s Boon comes into the game in it’s current form and you pair up Blighter Reaper with AH Guardian and Ele. Then it may be tough as hell.

The problem of Reaper is that everyone think about it like a necromancer can stay Always in RS state. A necromancer can be stripped out of DS/RS quickly against a good dps class and if it play with GS he have a low ability to build up LF. Then the necro need to use skills like Spectral Armor/Walk, that recharge Life Force when you hit the necro and that make him in danger why to charge DS he need to suffer a lot of the enemy attacks. GS can recharge 12% LF x enemy hit with a 6hit skill every 10 sec. It’s easy to dodge/block. Or 4% x enemy with the grasp skill, that have a long cooldown. Or he can use the staff, losong almost all it’s dps.

Reaper will not be a big problem for a warrior, that can use 2 endure pain + shield block (depending on build) and a 8-10 sec from conditions (making useless the necro’s Chill skills).

It will be a good dps class, but it’s melee and easy to avoid, with not a real movement skill, that you can outrun with swiftness.
If you find a necro in reaper you can active your endure pain and burst him down with your 100Blades (with the recent GS build), immbilize with sword and take it down with skill 3, or other way. Or simply stay in range with LB and burn him down with the firefield.

Reaper will be easy countered by the actual meta and the revealed specializzations. And we still need to see the other 6 specializzations (warrior inclused)

@Silv
The only things wrong with your post are the assumption that reaper have it hard gathering LF, which they don’t. They actually have the highest of generation of all necros. Also s.armour is used with shroud to be immune to damage for a duration since the of gain per second is higher than incoming damage. Or the classic warhorn #5 melee combo for the same thing.

That chill will be a major part and focus of Tue build, which it can be but really don’t be depending on match up.

That movement impairing abilities will work on a reaper since they have higher reduction than warrior so you can’t use pin down to land 100b nor flurry to land it either since -56~91% without food. on those conditions would make them immune.

Only bit I agree with is the other specs being good counters and some existing things in the game as well. Being kited will be an issue for reapers but toe-to-toe they should have an esiser time. Reaper won’t be a big problem vs warrior nor warrior vs reaper. It should be an even match as long as people are similar skill levels. Personally looking forward to doing it on both Mt necro and warrior