Guild Wars 2

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I see a lot of people complaining about the lack of Warrior sustainability in the forums, but I feel like any more buff to its sustainability will make it OP.

The biggest problem Warriors had back then regarding sustainability are conditions and the Warrior’s lack of condition removals, but with the recent addition of “Cleansing Ire”, “Dogged March”, and condition removal foods, conditions aren’t really a big problem anymore.

Also, another problem Warriors had back then is the lack of viable disengage. Basically, when we get into a fight, it’s incredibly difficult to get out. But now, we have the 25% move speed increase (even while in combat) as well as reduced movement condition duration from Dogged March and condition removal food. We also have the Warhorn #4, the Greatsword #3 and #5, Sword #2, and the OP Shield #5. Also, the recent buff to Stomp (knocks enemies within a certain radius down which basically lets you get away) as well as Balanced Stance (added an 8 second Swiftness), we have more than enough to disengage in fights.

I feel like the biggest mistake a lot of Warriors make is staying in fights even though they’re losing. Disengaging, healing, then going back into the fight is important too. Elementalists do it, Thieves do it, Mesmers do it. Now, with the recent buffs, Warriors can do it too.

Anyways, I hope you guys enjoy the video and be sure to watch in HD! (:

Anyways, in the video I went against a Warrior Tarnished Coast KNIGHT, an Elementalist Fort Aspenwood GENERAL, and the Warrior Tarnished Coast KNIGHT again. So they are not by all means a newbie, and yet I still managed to fight and win all 3 fights consecutively without going out of combat.

The Elementalist was supposedly the Sustainable God yet I was able to match and almost out sustain her. This is just a small demonstration of the sustainable capability of the Warrior, and since the patch is very recent, I’m sure many other Warriors will do even better than this.

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Daecollo.9578:

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Oreoginal.1580:

Daecollo.9578:

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You have no sustain. Your health through most of the fight stayed the same.

sus·tain (s-stn)
tr.v. sus·tained, sus·tain·ing, sus·tains
1. To keep in existence; maintain.
2. To supply with necessities or nourishment; provide for.
3. To support from below; keep from falling or sinking; prop.
4. To support the spirits, vitality, or resolution of; encourage.
5. To bear up under; withstand: can’t sustain the blistering heat.
6. To experience or suffer: sustained a fatal injury.
7. To affirm the validity of: The judge has sustained the prosecutor’s objection.
8. To prove or corroborate; confirm.
9. To keep up (a joke or assumed role, for example) competently.

You did none of these things.

Daecollo.9578:

Oreoginal.1580:

Daecollo.9578:

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You have no sustain. Your health through most of the fight stayed the same.

sus·tain (s-stn)
tr.v. sus·tained, sus·tain·ing, sus·tains
1. To keep in existence; maintain.
2. To supply with necessities or nourishment; provide for.
3. To support from below; keep from falling or sinking; prop.
4. To support the spirits, vitality, or resolution of; encourage.
5. To bear up under; withstand: can’t sustain the blistering heat.
6. To experience or suffer: sustained a fatal injury.
7. To affirm the validity of: The judge has sustained the prosecutor’s objection.
8. To prove or corroborate; confirm.
9. To keep up (a joke or assumed role, for example) competently.

You did none of these things.

Look at my fight against the Elementalist. I’m sure everyone agrees that they’re one of the top classes for sustain. Pay very close attention to both our health during the fight. I was able to match her heals the whole fight. If Elementalists are considered the best at sustainability, and I was able to match it, what does that make my Warrior?

My definition of sustain is being able to keep my health up and match the enemy’s health the whole fight (which I successfully did by the way).

In WvW warriors were solid, in sPvP / tPvP they were and appear to still be lacking, the only thing I haven’t tested over the last few hours is a tanky bunker type build as thats not my playstyle. But ultimately I’m holding out for the next few days to a week, the pro’s will deem whether or not we have a place in the meta as they may think of something I have missed or not thought of etc.

This is how you sustain.

See how his health goes up to 100% every 3 seconds from 75%? That is what sustain means.

Your just a punching bag with a lot of HP, if your pressured by anything you will go down immediately. 1v1s will not pressure you and this guy is taking on 3 people, out-healing you…

They need to add Thumbs Down or Minus to posts

Daecollo.9578:

This is how you sustain.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7SADwGETO2U

See how his health goes up to 100% every 3 seconds from 75%? That is what sustain means.

Your just a punching bag with a lot of HP, if your pressured by anything you will go down immediately. 1v1s will not pressure you and this guy is taking on 3 people, out-healing you…

Well see, the difference is that we already have a high health pool to begin with, and our burst heal actually heals for a lot. I was able to match the Elementalist’s health the whole fight (which was something Warriors couldn’t do in the past).

Why do I get the feeling that you want the survivability of a Guardian, but the damage of the Warrior all in one class?

Crawford.4135:

They need to add Thumbs Down or Minus to posts

What’s wrong with my posts? :T

Skelemiere.3094:

Daecollo.9578:

Oreoginal.1580:

Daecollo.9578:

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You have no sustain. Your health through most of the fight stayed the same.

sus·tain (s-stn)
tr.v. sus·tained, sus·tain·ing, sus·tains
1. To keep in existence; maintain.
2. To supply with necessities or nourishment; provide for.
3. To support from below; keep from falling or sinking; prop.
4. To support the spirits, vitality, or resolution of; encourage.
5. To bear up under; withstand: can’t sustain the blistering heat.
6. To experience or suffer: sustained a fatal injury.
7. To affirm the validity of: The judge has sustained the prosecutor’s objection.
8. To prove or corroborate; confirm.
9. To keep up (a joke or assumed role, for example) competently.

You did none of these things.

Funny because according to these definitions, it’s exactly what Oreoginal did.

Thats because his HP was totally going up quickly that fight and not staying anywhere like a punching bag.

Yes totally right man.

To be fair you are a decent warrior but those fights took far too long..yes you beat the warrior in a 1v1 but it took a while and if that ele had shown up a bit earlier they’d have both gotten you or you would have had to run away. In the second fight with the ele you can see the warrior just standing off in the sidelines watching you go at it for a very long time with the ele. The problem is, it’s a tanky build that has survivability but no real burst making the fight go a long time or possibly end in a stalemate with you having to run because 2 or 3 more of the persons buddies show up to spoil your drawn out 1v1..

I want my old Hammer/GS build back.

The Guardian video just makes me sad. Not because I want that sustain, but because I don’t think it’s reasonable for it to exist, period.

The OP’s vid was entertaining enough, but I’ve seen too many Evis/Frenzy GS Warriors. Also, I wish I could find a single fair fight in WvWvW, not to mention 3 in a row. Totes jelly.

You played well, once of the best war clips TBH but warriors still don’t have much sustain, you avoided most of the big hits while the ele kept eating them and healing up, + he played like garbage i main ele and i know a bad ele when i see one.

Zeki.7829:

To be fair you are a decent warrior but those fights took far too long..yes you beat the warrior in a 1v1 but it took a while and if that ele had shown up a bit earlier they’d have both gotten you or you would have had to run away. In the second fight with the ele you can see the warrior just standing off in the sidelines watching you go at it for a very long time with the ele. The problem is, it’s a tanky build that has survivability but no real burst making the fight go a long time or possibly end in a stalemate with you having to run because 2 or 3 more of the persons buddies show up to spoil your drawn out 1v1..

I want my old Hammer/GS build back.

I guess, but given that the patch came out today and I haven’t really had much time to play around with different builds, I don’t think I did that badly. There’s definitely room for improvement! (:

That healway guardian build in the video is cleric’s gear + defensive/support traits. Put a warrior in those fights with cleric’s gear and 0/0/20/30/20 and you’d do just as fine. Or are you seriously suggesting that guardian dps > warrior dps when both have no damage increasing traits and wearing the same gear?

Edit: That guardian also wouldn’t have beat the elementalist in the OP’s video or anything else with sufficient defensive capabilities.

Yaki.9563:

That healway guardian build in the video is cleric’s gear + defensive/support traits. Put a warrior in those fights with cleric’s gear and 0/0/20/30/20 and you’d do just as fine. Or are you seriously suggesting that guardian dps > warrior dps when both have no damage increasing traits and wearing the same gear?

Edit: That guardian also wouldn’t have beat the elementalist in the OP’s video or anything else with sufficient defensive capabilities.

LOL….

No you will not. Sorry.

Warriors have no traits that heal.

Here’s a test on Adrenal Health: https://forum-en.gw2archive.eu/forum/professions/warrior/Adrenal-Health-New-Values-inside/first#post2289472

Take what you can from that but I think that explains SOME of my survivability and sustain in the video. (:

LOL

Warrior has shouts heal trait, constant regen with adrenaline, MINOR trait. Regen from banner. I’m sure there’s others.

You obviously don’t know warrior.

plus endure pain AND defy pain on 60 sec CD. Omg win all over the place. You can’t sustain on warrior, you’re bad.

Stanky.7134:

LOL

Warrior has shouts heal trait, constant regen with adrenaline, MINOR trait. Regen from banner. I’m sure there’s others.

You obviously don’t know warrior. Go home.

That’s true but investing in builds that utilizes those is mostly only viable in PvE, except for banners which can work for either. If you’re looking at WvW/PvP, it’s a completely different story.

Nice Vid, I’m a fan of the Axe/Shield – GS roaming. I’m still playing around with traits after patch though, I tried some stuff similar but I went deeper into discipline for Mobile strikes and prefer last stand over cleansing ire.

Id like to duel you sometime while you’re still against TC though.

Hey Oreoginal…

YOU
ARE
AWESOME

the video was so fun to watch, pretty amazing!!!!!!!!!

PS: dont listen to Daecollo, he is the clown of the warrior community

Shout warrior is awesome in wvw, why would you even think of using shout warrior in pve?

Hey,
The problem is all in all you run the same GS / Axe Shield build as before with lower dmg because of the new grandmastertraits.

I can understand that the warrior gets nerfed cause he was really op in Pve. But everyone expects that warrior gets also improved in sustain and so on.

We have the same problems as before. Engineers will easily kite us when he is spamming cripple and chill. Necros also mesmers also theifs also….. blind …i think i dont have to say sth about this… was blind really so weak?

A class that hast to be near to the enemy to deal dmg has got weak heals, weak cond removes and now also a dmg nerf.

So one question: WHY?

dominik.9721:

Hey,
The problem is all in all you run the same GS / Axe Shield build as before with lower dmg because of the new grandmastertraits.

I can understand that the warrior gets nerfed cause he was really op in Pve. But everyone expects that warrior gets also improved in sustain and so on.

We have the same problems as before. Engineers will easily kite us when he is spamming cripple and chill. Necros also mesmers also theifs also….. blind …i think i dont have to say sth about this… was blind really so weak?

A class that hast to be near to the enemy to deal dmg has got weak heals, weak cond removes and now also a dmg nerf.

So one question: WHY?

I thought Cond remove is buffed by a bit ..

Dmg nerf is only noticeable if you are those people who pool your adrenaline..

are we reading the same patch notes?

iNaddict.8021:

dominik.9721:

Hey,
The problem is all in all you run the same GS / Axe Shield build as before with lower dmg because of the new grandmastertraits.

I can understand that the warrior gets nerfed cause he was really op in Pve. But everyone expects that warrior gets also improved in sustain and so on.

We have the same problems as before. Engineers will easily kite us when he is spamming cripple and chill. Necros also mesmers also theifs also….. blind …i think i dont have to say sth about this… was blind really so weak?

A class that hast to be near to the enemy to deal dmg has got weak heals, weak cond removes and now also a dmg nerf.

So one question: WHY?

I thought Cond remove is buffed by a bit ..

Dmg nerf is only noticeable if you are those people who pool your adrenaline..

are we reading the same patch notes?

Dmg nerf is Dmg nerf, being in Grand Master now, because you dont go spaming Burst Skills without thinking. Blind makes you miss F1 Hammer, F1 Mace, F1 Sword, F1 Great Sword, F1 Axe, F1 Rifle, so, With no hit, no Adrenaline spent, so in the end, no Condition removal, did you ever played Warrior in gw2?

You can only use F1 LongBow to remove Condition hitting the air, because you know, everything but rifle and LB are MELE and counting Rifle you need to hit in other to remove conditions, makeing your Condition sustain disable due to conditions Chill, Creep, Inmobilization and Blind…

Btw no food on tPvP or sPvP.

are we playing the same game?

The changes we warriors got are great for WvW fights, less conditions on you but still useless in spvp ugh.

pvp =/= WVW

In wvw you pretty much have supper gears to compensate the state of the warrior but in pvp with everyone in the same conditions is when warrior shows their weakness, some changes of the patch were good very good, but our healings still suck and we have no sustain at all.

Mijo.3274:

PS: dont listen to Daecollo, he is the clown of the warrior community

But listen to Mijo Elementalist/Mesmer PvP rank 16, guy who love to troll on warrior forum.

Good play and very good build for 1vs1. I use similar one (0-25-20-10-15) except axe/shield i replace with sword/warhorn for highest mobility in game and an additional blast finisher+vigor+perma swiftness and weakness and i use hoelbrak runes for an additional -20% condition duration. In my opinion this is more important in wvwvw, because im rarely getting in 1vs 1 situations (playing on kodash DE). For 1vs1 my build will be weaker than yours i think. I use PVT-Armor, Knight weapons and berserker trinkets. This combination is very nice for me it gives decent damage and EHP.

I also still use leg specialist but considering to swap it out for an additional endure pain going 30 in defense, although its still nice and gives an additional +10 % boon duration. Utilities are balanced stance, endure pain and fear me, because i want to have control over these abilites and use them when i want to (e.g. savage leap into a bunch of people with stability → flurry → hundred blades →endure pain) its alot of fun for me because i almost always manage to escape quite easy thanks to savage leap, rush, whirlwind, vigor and perma swiftness. Although as mentioned above this build doesnt shine so much in 1vs1 but it also isnt that bad (you can always escape if you want to :P). In general i get stomped very rarely.

After watching your video i will swap out fear me for stomp i think, very nice skill now with good CD, blast finisher and stun breaker but i think i will miss fearing people from cliffs.

Sry for english im from germany.

Daecollo.9578:

Skelemiere.3094:

Daecollo.9578:

Oreoginal.1580:

Daecollo.9578:

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You have no sustain. Your health through most of the fight stayed the same.

sus·tain (s-stn)
tr.v. sus·tained, sus·tain·ing, sus·tains
1. To keep in existence; maintain.
2. To supply with necessities or nourishment; provide for.
3. To support from below; keep from falling or sinking; prop.
4. To support the spirits, vitality, or resolution of; encourage.
5. To bear up under; withstand: can’t sustain the blistering heat.
6. To experience or suffer: sustained a fatal injury.
7. To affirm the validity of: The judge has sustained the prosecutor’s objection.
8. To prove or corroborate; confirm.
9. To keep up (a joke or assumed role, for example) competently.

You did none of these things.

Funny because according to these definitions, it’s exactly what Oreoginal did.

Thats because his HP was totally going up quickly that fight and not staying anywhere like a punching bag.

Yes totally right man.

He’s just mad that people are adapting to the changes and not blindly raging about them. Just sayin’

Setun.4368:

Daecollo.9578:

Skelemiere.3094:

Daecollo.9578:

Oreoginal.1580:

Daecollo.9578:

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You have no sustain. Your health through most of the fight stayed the same.

sus·tain (s-stn)
tr.v. sus·tained, sus·tain·ing, sus·tains
1. To keep in existence; maintain.
2. To supply with necessities or nourishment; provide for.
3. To support from below; keep from falling or sinking; prop.
4. To support the spirits, vitality, or resolution of; encourage.
5. To bear up under; withstand: can’t sustain the blistering heat.
6. To experience or suffer: sustained a fatal injury.
7. To affirm the validity of: The judge has sustained the prosecutor’s objection.
8. To prove or corroborate; confirm.
9. To keep up (a joke or assumed role, for example) competently.

You did none of these things.

Funny because according to these definitions, it’s exactly what Oreoginal did.

Thats because his HP was totally going up quickly that fight and not staying anywhere like a punching bag.

Yes totally right man.

He’s just mad that people are adapting to the changes and not blindly raging about them. Just sayin’

Adapting and the fact that sustain is still kitten are 2 diferent things, just telling

shimzor.6057:

Mijo.3274:

PS: dont listen to Daecollo, he is the clown of the warrior community

But listen to Mijo Elementalist/Mesmer PvP rank 16, guy who love to troll on warrior forum.

OMG Daecollo second account again, gosh he spam more clones than a mesmer, you guys are the real cancer of warrior class.

fuji.6283:

Stanky.7134:

LOL

Warrior has shouts heal trait, constant regen with adrenaline, MINOR trait. Regen from banner. I’m sure there’s others.

You obviously don’t know warrior. Go home.

That’s true but investing in builds that utilizes those is mostly only viable in PvE, except for banners which can work for either. If you’re looking at WvW/PvP, it’s a completely different story.

This is a personal preference, but I love shout warrior in pvp. Not only do you provide group benefits during an engagement (FGJ, SIO), but the more offensive shouts have great utility in pvp fights (Fear Me will ruin anyone’s day if you’re close, and my personal favorite OMM turns people into time bombs with the 10% vuln if your group focuses them.) Couple it with quick 1.5k heals and soldier runes so that they all remove conditions and that’s a lot of sustain, buffs, and overall dps boosts not just for you but everyone around you.

Mijo.3274:

shimzor.6057:

Mijo.3274:

PS: dont listen to Daecollo, he is the clown of the warrior community

But listen to Mijo Elementalist/Mesmer PvP rank 16, guy who love to troll on warrior forum.

OMG Daecollo second account again, gosh he spam more clones than a mesmer, you guys are the real cancer of warrior class.

Im not anyone underdog nor Second, third, fourth etc acount, as you can see the rest of my post (its not that hard), I try to speak of the sustain in PvP, and as stated, PvE is one world, where stats can be taken quite balanced due armor+trinque+weapons+food, and PvP another one, also i didnt bad mouthed the OP here about his video.

And again, OP tried adapting, but the sustain is as bad as it was, so if you want to argue be mature and do it in a non troll, irony on mode, dont have any problem in speaking about a matter despite haveing both oposite view of it

So try respecting others, because, disrespecting others doesnt make you older nor cooler, nor goes to anywhere in a post that tries to talk about the game mechanics, if you want you proof your point just do it in a constructive way.

Deathdance.2045:

Mijo.3274:

shimzor.6057:

Mijo.3274:

PS: dont listen to Daecollo, he is the clown of the warrior community

But listen to Mijo Elementalist/Mesmer PvP rank 16, guy who love to troll on warrior forum.

OMG Daecollo second account again, gosh he spam more clones than a mesmer, you guys are the real cancer of warrior class.

Im not anyone underdog nor Second, third, fourth etc acount, as you can see the rest of my post (its not that hard), I try to speak of the sustain in PvP, and as stated, PvE is one world, where stats can be taken quite balanced due armor+trinque+weapons+food, and PvP another one, also i didnt bad mouthed the OP here about his video.

And again, OP tried adapting, but the sustain is as bad as it was, so if you want to argue be mature and do it in a non troll, irony on mode, dont have any problem in speaking about a matter despite haveing both oposite view of it

Are you Shimzor? Daecollo? or who? i just cant understand why people reply to my comments when i’m not talking to them…
BTW, yeah, warrior sustain is not good, but adrenal heal is better now and we can remove 3 conditions with a burst attack, i think that a lot of people use a FULL berserk build with something like 20-30-0-0-20 and whine about the sustain, in pvp you can equip a berserk amulet but with 30 points in defense, and see the difference.
PS: I dont want to troll anybody, i’m just tired of the haters that spam in the warrior forum.

Deathdance.2045:

Adapting and the fact that sustain is still kitten are 2 diferent things, just telling

To borrow from Daecollo’s post:
sus·tain (s-stn)
tr.v. sus·tained, sus·tain·ing, sus·tains
1. To keep in existence; maintain.
2. To supply with necessities or nourishment; provide for.
3. To support from below; keep from falling or sinking; prop.
4. To support the spirits, vitality, or resolution of; encourage.
5. To bear up under; withstand: can’t sustain the blistering heat.
6. To experience or suffer: sustained a fatal injury.
7. To affirm the validity of: The judge has sustained the prosecutor’s objection.
8. To prove or corroborate; confirm.
9. To keep up (a joke or assumed role, for example) competently.

OP was able to do points 1 and 5 just fine utilizing some of the new utilities and traits in his video. You mad bro?

Mijo.3274:

Deathdance.2045:

Mijo.3274:

shimzor.6057:

Mijo.3274:

PS: dont listen to Daecollo, he is the clown of the warrior community

But listen to Mijo Elementalist/Mesmer PvP rank 16, guy who love to troll on warrior forum.

OMG Daecollo second account again, gosh he spam more clones than a mesmer, you guys are the real cancer of warrior class.

Im not anyone underdog nor Second, third, fourth etc acount, as you can see the rest of my post (its not that hard), I try to speak of the sustain in PvP, and as stated, PvE is one world, where stats can be taken quite balanced due armor+trinque+weapons+food, and PvP another one, also i didnt bad mouthed the OP here about his video.

And again, OP tried adapting, but the sustain is as bad as it was, so if you want to argue be mature and do it in a non troll, irony on mode, dont have any problem in speaking about a matter despite haveing both oposite view of it

Are you Shimzor? Daecollo? or who? i just cant understand why people reply to my comments when i’m not talking to them…
BTW, yeah, warrior sustain is not good, but adrenal heal is better now and we can remove 3 conditions with a burst attack, i think that a lot of people use a FULL berserk build with something like 20-30-0-0-20 and whine about the sustain, in pvp you can equip a berserk amulet but with 30 points in defense, and see the difference.
PS: I dont want to troll anybody, i’m just tired of the haters that spam in the warrior forum.

1. Im not a hater, my main and only Char is my war, once reached more than 500 games in PvP with him (not counting tournes) moved to other chars (due to Achivements in PvP).

2. If you talk to people despite them NOT talking to you other DO THE SAME

3. Again, people do play and have options about game mechanics, so STOP the “clones”, irony and that al nonsense bad mouthing, forums are read by tons of poeple, and have the right to speak in them, being said that they can also AGREE in a way of disliking they way they implement the new meachanics, in this matter, about the warriors sustain.

4. STOP they “get of 100b+zerker” actitude, is quite old and much poeple just use GS due movility, not DMG, evade frames and gap aproach, also MUCH poeple dont use GS at all

Setun.4368:

Deathdance.2045:

Adapting and the fact that sustain is still kitten are 2 diferent things, just telling

To borrow from Daecollo’s post:
sus·tain (s-stn)
tr.v. sus·tained, sus·tain·ing, sus·tains
1. To keep in existence; maintain.
2. To supply with necessities or nourishment; provide for.
3. To support from below; keep from falling or sinking; prop.
4. To support the spirits, vitality, or resolution of; encourage.
5. To bear up under; withstand: can’t sustain the blistering heat.
6. To experience or suffer: sustained a fatal injury.
7. To affirm the validity of: The judge has sustained the prosecutor’s objection.
8. To prove or corroborate; confirm.
9. To keep up (a joke or assumed role, for example) competently.

OP was able to do points 1 and 5 just fine utilizing some of the new utilities and traits in his video. You mad bro?

I supose you talk about the video he made, but, i would like to ask the OP how he handle Thiefs/Necros/Mesmers, and no, im not mad, as stated, not going agains OP, and as i said before, PvP is diferent in stats and not food.

Sure you can also go Full Melandru+Lemon Food, and you dont have to worry about Conditions at all, despite the Trait set up (here are some wquite good youtube vids on a roaming warrior on WvW that proof so)

but 2 “duels” with just 2 clases (warrior and Ele) doest make me see enough proofs to talk about better sustain on war.

Really, get mature, you guys cant talk without Troll, nor Irony in a respecting or mature way? or do i have to say “your a cancer”, “hater”, “cool bro”, “mad bro” and that kind of stupid way to talk to argue about a game mechanics?

Mijo.3274:

Are you Shimzor? Daecollo? or who? i just cant understand why people reply to my comments when i’m not talking to them…

You should not write here.

Your main is Elementalist,
Your comain is Mesmer,
Your PvP rank is 16. (did you ever played pvp with warrior??)

I can link your post where you stated this. So when i read your posts i see that you have zero knowledge about warrior profession, but still you trolling on warrior forum.

Please go back to Ele forum and troll there.

Thanks for the video, Oreo =) I thought you played well!

In my experience, WvW 1v1s against eles and warrs is not our weakness. I would like to see you against a good mesmer or condi thief 1v1 or against okay players 2v1. I think the outcome would change significantly for a warrior but not so much for mesmers, thieves or guardians.

Again, thanks for the video! Have fun =)

Stanky.7134:

LOL

Warrior has shouts heal trait, constant regen with adrenaline, MINOR trait. Regen from banner. I’m sure there’s others.

You obviously don’t know warrior.

plus endure pain AND defy pain on 60 sec CD. Omg win all over the place. You can’t sustain on warrior, you’re bad.

So what do you attribute the lack of warriors in meta-TPVP to? None of the top ranking teams run warriors, but you seem to believe they’re borderline OP — can you clarify?

You people can stick your heads in the sand and pretend warriors are great, but the fact is far better players than you are actively showing that they’re not.

you obviously fail to realize that wvw is not about 1v1 combat but more group combat. terrible build if you want 1v1 go to spvp

and everyone knows that hammer is the only good weapon for warriors in wvw, looking forward to farming you and your freinds for the rest of the week

love tarnished coast

People shouldn’t compare WvW and sPvP. I’ve seen plenty of people running in rare gear while I’m decked out in ascended and running with food buff. People are who keep claiming they did an amazing duel just dueled someone with similar gear so they weren’t able to 100→0 them in 1 attack.

That is WvW.

In sPvP you don’t have access to food/consumables/kill stacking as much as wvw.

You can’t play with your stats as much. Your stats are less than what is in WvW even without calculating Asc Gear

You don’t have a stun breaker on -I don’t think anyone here pops frenzy to break stuns-

You fought a bad warrior..good GS wars never continue a full 100b after bulls charge, they finish it off with GS3

Good GS warriors when fighting other melee warriors avoid 100b as much as possible to avoid the other warrior popping bolas/100b/endure pain with or without frenzy to top your 100b. The warrior you fought continues to 100b against one of the worst classes to 100b against.

You almost died to the bad warrior the 1st time

Go in sPvP and post some videos with duels against good mesmers/sword thieves/Engys/ Eles..you will not be successful

You can’t bunker well nor kill a bunker in spvp – a good one-. Anything you do, another class will do better and they will sustain them selves better. Its for a simple fact.. you are always visible and you are the only melee class that needs to chase after people while visible.

Your 2nd fight with the ele lasted too long..lets think about WvW..the longer you stay in a fight the more likely you will lose because you will get ganked by other ppl eventually

I shouldn’t be replying to your thread since you think WvW is where our complaints about sustainability are.

Go try your sustainable god build in high end tourneys and tell us how well you do.

Oreoginal.1580:

Daecollo.9578:

This is how you sustain.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7SADwGETO2U

See how his health goes up to 100% every 3 seconds from 75%? That is what sustain means.

Your just a punching bag with a lot of HP, if your pressured by anything you will go down immediately. 1v1s will not pressure you and this guy is taking on 3 people, out-healing you…

Well see, the difference is that we already have a high health pool to begin with, and our burst heal actually heals for a lot. I was able to match the Elementalist’s health the whole fight (which was something Warriors couldn’t do in the past).

Why do I get the feeling that you want the survivability of a Guardian, but the damage of the Warrior all in one class?

This has been explained plenty of times..High health and toughness mean nothing when it comes down to it. What matters is protection/stealth/evades/invuln.

A guardian has access to 3 successive blocks, blocking heal, 2 secs of invulnerability, lotsa area denial, cc that interrupts blocking, regen, superior condi removal, etc etc.

Your Hp and toughness will not match the above. Furthermore, their boon duration is not nerfed in WvW and -if I’m not mistaken- retal is still not nerfed in wvw except for EB?

Even with Destruction of the empowered, signet of might you will have a hard time beating a good guardian. I’m not talking about the idiots who block heal when they are about to die not realizing what signet of might is.

Thieve’s burst dps breaks through toughness and they don’t have problems with cool downs as much as you. They can reset the fight till all your cool downs are gone.

Mijo.3274:

Are you Shimzor? Daecollo? or who? i just cant understand why people reply to my comments when i’m not talking to them…
BTW, yeah, warrior sustain is not good, but adrenal heal is better now and we can remove 3 conditions with a burst attack, i think that a lot of people use a FULL berserk build with something like 20-30-0-0-20 and whine about the sustain, in pvp you can equip a berserk amulet but with 30 points in defense, and see the difference.
PS: I dont want to troll anybody, i’m just tired of the haters that spam in the warrior forum.

Well forgive me for replying to your thread, but I would like to refute some of what you said.

I play a knights geared War.
I’m 30 points in defense, because I like a more tanky build.
I have a little healing power, around 500.
I have 3.3k armor.
My sustain still sucks.

I can tank damage decently enough vs power builds due to my huge armor. With the addition of cleansing ire, I imagine my ability to evade condi damage may improve somewhat too.

But my sustain really sucks. Yes, I can healing surge for about 8.5k, which is nice (I always use at 3 bars). My only other way to regain health is via Adrenal health. It ticks for about 400 hp/3 seconds at 3 bars, but I dont always sit on 3 bars, because sometimes I need to burst to fight back/cleansing ire. It probably averages out to about 200 hp/3 seconds (or 67/hps) over the course of a fight.
Surge 283 + Adrenal 67 = 350 HP/s

My friend has an 80 Guardian, and is also a knights build, tanky sustain. He deals about the same damage as I do, but his sustain is far superior. He heals every second from his virtue for about 120, and uses signet of resolve (8.5k on a 40 sec CD). He also heals per greatsword swing (roughly 50 HPs when auto attacking), and can maintain regen for about 230 HPs (rough estimate) half the time. His symbols also heal about 400 total, and he drops one roughly every 10 seconds.
Signet 213 + 120 + 50 + (230/2) + (400/10) = 538 HP/s.
He also maintains protection, with an uptime of about 33%. He primarily uses it when hes expecting burst (which increases its effectiveness) but for arguments sake, I’ll just average it out. 33% damage reduction 33% of the time, is roughly 11% reduction, which effectively improves his sustain by 11%, to 597 HP/s.

My ~350 HP/s versus his effective ~597 HP/s.

Edit: I forgot to mention he also heals for about 150 at the end of every dodge roll, which he can do often because he has 75% vigor uptime from vigorous precision.

I didn’t particularly enjoy this video. You beat an inferior warrior who was clearly not prepped for 1v1 dominance like you were twice (she would have killed you twice in the first fight if you didn’t have stomp stunbreak or defy pain) and allowed her to vengeance three times. She sat and ate an 8k 100blades. She was not specced for defy pain which is one of the best 1v1 talents an offensive warrior can pack whereas yours procced at 25% and saved your life at the 1min35sec mark. In the second fight she had a guard on her as well.

Your sustain is nothing special, you were able to outheal the ele because she did terrible damage. On the other hand your damage is very high and she managed to sustain through it. She was obviously wearing cleric gear for drawn out fights due to how much the hp bar moved on your 5-6k eviscerates rather than expecting to find zerkers and need vitality. This meant it was easy for you to burst her down with a rather basic combo of shield stun, eviscerate and whirlwind. I’m surprised the fight lasted as long as it did, though that was probably because you made sloppy mistakes such as eviscerating through protection buffs which were due to expire in 2 seconds and popping bullrush while the ele had stability up from armour of earth.

I wouldn’t have bothered replying but the title ‘sustainable god’ annoyed me.