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Posted by: NEOCROM.8957

NEOCROM.8957

Mesmer is a very annoying OP class as many ppl knows already, but no class is invincible. Any guide (build, set, etc) to beat mesmers?

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Posted by: runeblade.7514

runeblade.7514

Reroll…………….

5x Warrior, 5x Ranger, 4x Elementalist, 4x Engineer,
4x Necromancer, 3x Mesmer, 4x Guardian, 4x Thief, 4 Revenant

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Posted by: emkelly.2371

emkelly.2371

Don’t rely on targeting. the secret is to pay attention to which one is the real Mesmer. however Mesmers have a lot of burst damage. as a warrior we are not really equipped to deal with the amount of burst damage that the dev’s have decided to incorporate. There was a time when toughness was balanced enough that both bunker and zerk builds were evenly matched. But then some thief complained about not being able to insta-down a bunker warrior so they nerfed toughness into the ground. if they reversed that decision you would find mesmers much easier to deal with..

The best bet to deal with Mesmers is to not rely on auto target, find the real on and lock them down. one good crit can put them in dire straits. Chrono-mancers anre a little bit different to deal with.

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Posted by: Chase.2798

Chase.2798

I love my sword shield gs build for fighting mesmers, use the leaps to keep up with target, apply bleeds when u can, burst in order to get them to use utikities and start cds with gs switch to shield 5 for might, once under 50% hp use signet of rage and signet of might then sw2, sw3, sh4, f1, gs2 this should put out a lot of dps in short time with quickness, might, and unblockable attacks. Sw3 hitting on a target below 50% can do 8k…the f1 furry is just for the immob before going for gs2 (100blades) and should be ended immediately after first hit so gs2 can hit before they are able to move, most mesmers are very glassy and if so you probably wont even get to the f1 skill (gave full rotation for your benefit)

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Posted by: emkelly.2371

emkelly.2371

good info chase

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Posted by: Choppy.4183

Choppy.4183

The odds are definitely not in your favour, but here are some tips:

  • As you’re running around trying to catch the real mesmer, be sure to spam 1 to kill all the clones and phantasms along the way. If you’re up against a condi mesmer, they’re the ones doing most of the damage as the real mesmer abuses stealth. It helps reduce the burst of shatter mesmers too
  • If you have trouble identifying the real mesmer from the clones, look to the buffs. Iirc, clones don’t get stacks like bloodlust or food/utility buffs (if in wvw)
  • Never get surrounded. if you find yourself surrounded by clones/phantasms in melee range, you’re in a trap. Try to keep all illusions on one side of you so you can’t get simultaneously hit by all when the mesmer shatters
  • If you see all of the illusions running toward you, the mesmer is shattering. Dodge and/or whirlwind through them.
  • Learn to recognize standard bursts and openers. For example, it’s really common for shatter mesmers to open by throwing there greatsword at you (unblockable, btw) while simultaneously having a hard-hitting phantasm appear next to you and whirlwind through you, then getting close to you to hit you with a shatter. Dodge or whirlwind through the flying sword and the iBerserker (the phantasm).
  • Mesmers normally have two stun breaks on their bar, and possibly a third through traits. One is their long teleport (Blink) and it’s on a 30s cd, and the other (plus trait) cloaks them leaving a clone (Decoy) and is on a 40s cd. These are critical skills for the mesmer to kite or escape from you, so force them out early if you have reasonably low cd cc skills.
  • If you see the mesmer doing something that looks like our Flurry (or 100b), don’t stand in it. They evade all attacks while they channel it and, though it’s mostly used defensively to avoid your burst, it hits hard if you’re standing in it.
  • Mesmers have access to lots of blinds. Make sure you’re clearing your blind before leading into your bursts/big hits.

The above should help, but you really are at a disadvantage. I played mesmer for a few weeks after the June 23 patch and I rolled over average warriors even though I still didn’t understand my skills and didn’t have much in the way of tight rotations. They even used Rampage, and it didn’t matter. I was playing a shatter mesmer too… condi mesmer would have been even easier against a warrior. If I’d been a skilled or even average mesmer…..

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Posted by: Ross Biddle.2367

Ross Biddle.2367

I made this just before HoT, when everybody and their dog was crying about condi mes on the pvp forum and them being unbeatable. The basics still apply.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4whRdvVXtzw

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Posted by: Choppy.4183

Choppy.4183

In fairness, Ross, a mesmer with any skill who knows you’re there is going to know to avoid eating a killshot.

I agree that it’s probably the most likely scenario for a warrior to quickly end a mesmer, but a warrior that’s able to dodge a mesmer burst vs a mesmer unable to dodge a killshot isn’t exactly a match of equal skill.

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Posted by: Ross Biddle.2367

Ross Biddle.2367

In fairness, Ross, a mesmer with any skill who knows you’re there is going to know to avoid eating a killshot.

I agree that it’s probably the most likely scenario for a warrior to quickly end a mesmer, but a warrior that’s able to dodge a mesmer burst vs a mesmer unable to dodge a killshot isn’t exactly a match of equal skill.

Yeah but there’s a lesson here, don’t presume to win when engaging a Mesmer 1v1. In conquest, it might be smarter to rotate. That said, good consistent ranged pressure can be a nightmare for a Mesmer, it’s just rarely brought.

Weakness is also a bane for power Mesmers, especialy when they’re running cleansless.

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Posted by: Choppy.4183

Choppy.4183

Yeah but there’s a lesson here, don’t presume to win when engaging a Mesmer 1v1. In conquest, it might be smarter to rotate. That said, good consistent ranged pressure can be a nightmare for a Mesmer, it’s just rarely brought.

Weakness is also a bane for power Mesmers, especialy when they’re running cleansless.

Yes, that’s good advice. Mesmers have the advantages in a straight 1v1, so doing what you can to gain the upper hand is definitely desirable.

as you say, ranged pressure to thwart kiting, weakness on power builds (applies to any power build, honestly), and I’d add aoe to wipe clones and make approaching close dangerous can help (though the latter works better against thieves).

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Posted by: Ven Zehn.6573

Ven Zehn.6573

In the past, and somewhat now, I’ve found one of the best ways for dealing with mesmers is a lot of aoe dmg, aoe stuns, etc. And knowing when to avoid their incoming spikes. Is it perfect? no, but it’s a start.

Hammer stuns and aoes are great, especially if the mes stays close to his clones/phantasms, just be ready to dodge out.

Phase Retreat can save them against stunlock though, so try to watch for that and don’t burn all yer attacks in one go if you think you have em locked down.

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Posted by: Pain.4298

Pain.4298

after hot, you just cant kill a good Mesmer even if you better gear than him and in same skill level (WvW) pvp wise warrior is just dead useless.

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Posted by: Super Wilson.7408

Super Wilson.7408

Beating a Mesmer as a warrior is no easy task. Especially the ever immortal condi Mesmer. But I did do it one time. Got it recorded.
https://youtu.be/ixDFNTr9UWw

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Posted by: NEOCROM.8957

NEOCROM.8957

Why would Anet do such things and make Mesmer almost unbeatable? Why would they screw balance so much? few years ago was more balanced, now they made.
So no berserk/def/condi build for warrior isn’t able to stand against condi mesmer?

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Posted by: Ross Biddle.2367

Ross Biddle.2367

Why would Anet do such things and make Mesmer almost unbeatable? Why would they screw balance so much? few years ago was more balanced, now they made.
So no berserk/def/condi build for warrior isn’t able to stand against condi mesmer?

They’re not unbeatable.

Also game mode matters. If the object is to capture and hold points, and you can sit there doing nothing while they dance around stealthing and failing to down you, you’ve won.