Guild Wars 2

Flissy.4093:

Thaddeus.4891:

The meta build with some knight armor would be even better, again if you need some survivability.

Exactly, now throw out what you said about using heal shouts for survival because it just isn’t a good idea.

I didn’t say it was a good idea. I said if you want to give some healing support to your team, i rather like you to have heal shout than banner Regen. Meta Build with knight gear is better, but some people want to support the team. At least a Shout Heal warrior with 30pts in tactics and empower allies with everything else for DPS wouldn’t be a bad build. It would be a good one since you have plenty survivability with the basic warrior, but hell i think its a good compromise between his build and the meta.

Thaddeus.4891:

Like Guanglai said you trade personnal DPS for Surviability, Regen Banner and Empower Allies. You CAN’T talk about normal banner here man, any warrior can bring them, there is nothing new here.

Empower allies is a good trait so no question here.

Regen Banners are not that bad, i mean i would prefer someone using Heal Shout because banner can’t help you if you run around and less cooldown on FGJ and OMM are not that bad either. But i understand, if someone need a bit of defense and can’t go into full DPS, i rather they bring some support and not only survivability.

Ok so you have 30pts in tactics for some survivability and support. Ok i can live with that. But 20pts in Defense really. That only bring you limited amount of survivability but you sacrifice a lot of DPS. These 20pts in Defense should really be in Strength, Arm or Discpline to get those damage modifiers like Slashing Power, Beserker Powers or Dual Wielding. Even if you need to replace 1 or 2 piece of armor for Knight gear so you have your own survivability if you need to.

A 30/10/0/30/0 Build would make a lot more sense if you want to bring a bit of support and need some survivability for yourself. The meta build with some knight armor would be even better, again if you need some survivability.

Shout healing is bad. It is nowhere comparable to the effectiveness from the amount of dps you and your group would gain from banners.

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Shout healing is bad. It is nowhere comparable to the effectiveness from the amount of dps you and your group would gain from banners.

Shout Healing is bad, and so is Regen Banners lol.

The banner are good without any trait and can be use by any warriors. So stop trying to say that oh man my banner are good because they boost DPS. Yes of course its a utility skill you don’t need regen banner to make them give DPS boost.

Thaddeus.4891:

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Shout healing is bad. It is nowhere comparable to the effectiveness from the amount of dps you and your group would gain from banners.

Shout Healing is bad, and so is Regen Banners lol.

The banner are good without any trait and can be use by any warriors. So stop trying to say that oh man my banner are good because they boost DPS. Yes of course its a utility skill you don’t need regen banner to make them give DPS boost.

Wrong. Regen banner is good. You admit yourself banners are good without any traits. The regen is just value added to an existing skill that is good.

Taking shouts exclude the option of getting banners. Those things are mutually exclusive which makes shout healing option an inferior option in every way.

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Thaddeus.4891:

DeathPanel.8362:

Shout healing is bad. It is nowhere comparable to the effectiveness from the amount of dps you and your group would gain from banners.

Shout Healing is bad, and so is Regen Banners lol.

The banner are good without any trait and can be use by any warriors. So stop trying to say that oh man my banner are good because they boost DPS. Yes of course its a utility skill you don’t need regen banner to make them give DPS boost.

Wrong. Regen banner is good. You admit yourself banners are good without any traits. The regen is just value added to an existing skill that is good.

Taking shouts exclude the option of getting banners. Those things are mutually exclusive which makes shout healing option an inferior option in every way.

Good one, I almost fell for the bait.

The build is solid, but not recommended for PuG’s at high fractal levels. You’ll rely on others for your cleanses and blocks for things that can’t be easily avoided. The lava grubs immobilise on fire shaman alone would kill this build fast in a PuG where someone isn’t actively taking care of group cleanse in moments where everyone needs to be unhampered.

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Thaddeus.4891:

DeathPanel.8362:

Shout healing is bad. It is nowhere comparable to the effectiveness from the amount of dps you and your group would gain from banners.

Shout Healing is bad, and so is Regen Banners lol.

The banner are good without any trait and can be use by any warriors. So stop trying to say that oh man my banner are good because they boost DPS. Yes of course its a utility skill you don’t need regen banner to make them give DPS boost.

Wrong. Regen banner is good. You admit yourself banners are good without any traits. The regen is just value added to an existing skill that is good.

Taking shouts exclude the option of getting banners. Those things are mutually exclusive which makes shout healing option an inferior option in every way.

And to get banner regen you need to go 30 into a bad trait line. There is absolutely no excuse to go over 20 after getting empower allies.

Also if you can’t maintain the scholar bonus on a meta warrior then I don’t know what to say. Even with a terrible group it’s easy to maintain for a duration that makes them worth it over ruby orbs.

Thaddeus.4891:

Flissy.4093:

Thaddeus.4891:

The meta build with some knight armor would be even better, again if you need some survivability.

Exactly, now throw out what you said about using heal shouts for survival because it just isn’t a good idea.

I didn’t say it was a good idea. I said if you want to give some healing support to your team, i rather like you to have heal shout than banner Regen. Meta Build with knight gear is better, but some people want to support the team. At least a Shout Heal warrior with 30pts in tactics and empower allies with everything else for DPS wouldn’t be a bad build. It would be a good one since you have plenty survivability with the basic warrior, but hell i think its a good compromise between his build and the meta.

If people want to support the team, do so through offensive boons and effects. Empowering Allies, dropping 2 Banners, Might/Fury from FGJ. A pathetic heal wasting 30 trait points is NOT support.

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Wrong. Regen banner is good. You admit yourself banners are good without any traits. The regen is just value added to an existing skill that is good.

Taking shouts exclude the option of getting banners. Those things are mutually exclusive which makes shout healing option an inferior option in every way.

Both shouts and banner regen are bad anyway. This conversation is useless. You shouldn’t go more than 20pts into that trait line. There is several better ways to get the survivability that you need if you can’t play the meta and Warrior is really not that great for support compare to other profession. If you want to support your team (other than DPS and offensive support), then you better run a guardian or something else but not a warrior.

He might as well run a Cleric Ele, he’d heal more and might actually do more damage.