Guild Wars 2

I don’t think I would have nerf the might/sigil of battle like Anet did, but overall I don’t think it change anything in PvE, while in sPvP it will help balance Engineer and Elementalist a bit.

But for Warrior, this nerf could hurt us a bit for sPvP. Might was our thing. It made the difference between a bad Warrior and one with a good rotation to keep a high amount of might. I’m not against the nerf might, but Warrior were not in such a great place to begin with.

Do you believe that sPvP Warrior needed such a nerf? Do you believe there should have buff a bit the Longbow so we can stay competitive?

Its another indirectly nerf to gs, just saying. Not like it ever scaled well with power anyway.

Warrior builds may change slightly since there are alternative % power increases besides from Might. In PvE, there is even more (banners/signets).

Might nerf, hit Signet of Rage (sadly again) and Greatsword/Phalanx support Warriors in PvE. The biggest downside is the overall party DPS decrease for super coordinated groups but it does make more sense (not that there are any other alternatives given).

In sPvP, Hambow is hit but not nearly as hard as a 20-25 Might stacking Ele or Engineer build. So maybe even more Shoutbow will be seen ?

Warriors still have the sad state of Adrenaline nerfage to contend with…

As for Superior Sigil of Battle nerfage, all that means is that people will convert over to either Superior Sigil of Force or Superior Sigil of Strength (depending on crit rate/already used Sigil) so … it’s a maybe 1% or less DPS decrease change in disguise.

buffing the condition effects while nerfing might just ends up screwing the non condi builds over, which are already less powerful. If i wanted to play with conditions i would not have rolled a warrior in the first place.

Scoobaniec.9561:

Its another indirectly nerf to gs, just saying. Not like it ever scaled well with power anyway.

Everything scales the same with an increase of power aslon the skill is power based. Or did I misunderstand you?

Artaz.3819:

Warrior builds may change slightly since there are alternative % power increases besides from Might. In PvE, there is even more (banners/signets).

Might nerf, hit Signet of Rage (sadly again) and Greatsword/Phalanx support Warriors in PvE. The biggest downside is the overall party DPS decrease for super coordinated groups but it does make more sense (not that there are any other alternatives given).

Good warriors were already using as many banners as they had to. The old dps ego warrior builds (6/6/0/2/0 and 6/5/0/0/3) are out of date for elitism play now. Next there will be less and less phalanx builds and pure axe will dominate with the support of phalanx and slightly less damage than ego war. I tell you now 4/6/0/4/0 will be the future of warriors in pve.

Artaz.3819:

In sPvP, Hambow is hit but not nearly as hard as a 20-25 Might stacking Ele or Engineer build. So maybe even more Shoutbow will be seen ?

Warriors still have the sad state of Adrenaline nerfage to contend with…

As for Superior Sigil of Battle nerfage, all that means is that people will convert over to either Superior Sigil of Force or Superior Sigil of Strength (depending on crit rate/already used Sigil) so … it’s a maybe 1% or less DPS decrease change in disguise.

Sigil of Battle hits pve aswell pvp and I think it hits them a bit too hard. Strength doesn’t recive any nerfs but I guess it’s also harder to use than battle so I’m ok with that. Battle gives 6-9 stacks might (boon dura) normaly. 180-270 power wich is more or less 10% damage. I don’t know if there will be an alternative good dps sigil but you crit less in pvp than pve and this makes strength a lot weaker. Force maybe, but even zerkers were using some condition damage wich will now no longer be increased (might). It’s definitly more than just 1% imo.

Scaramuth.2317:

buffing the condition effects while nerfing might just ends up screwing the non condi builds over, which are already less powerful. If i wanted to play with conditions i would not have rolled a warrior in the first place.

Buffing conditions? Only PVE confusion has been buffed a tiny bit. The new rune will maybe result in bunker ingis with condition damage or bunker guard with burn traited. But I think the main meta stays the same. Torment sigil though … removing 1 condition skills … 1 stack torment or 20 stacks bleed? This will be the condi breaker imo.

Your so called egoistic dps warrior builds will still be used because you already have taken the banners with them.
those dps builds out dps pure axe
phalanx will still be a thing because you use 2 staff elementalists atm.
Well…. tbh, i dont get your points

They outdps pure axe only in active damage and thats the point. Phalanx is good for pugs who can’t sustain 25 stacks o’ might. Just made a post about it, take a look

I still don’t really understand how going banners as a full dps (ego war) is worse than going banners with the new build you claim to be the meta.

Xyonon.3987:

They outdps pure axe only in active damage and thats the point. Phalanx is good for pugs who can’t sustain 25 stacks o’ might. Just made a post about it, take a look

k.
What is passive damage per second?
Why is everyone playing Phalanx warrior and dual staff ele, allthough Phalanx is only for PuGs?
Why do you think that the meta builds change, allthough you already have taken both banners?
Why are you talking about PvE in a PvP thread?

questions upon questions….

I answered a question my dear – check out the main thread “smart support war” if you wanna know more about my thoughts.

Good warriors were already using as many banners as they had to. The old dps ego warrior builds (6/6/0/2/0 and 6/5/0/0/3) are out of date for elitism play now. Next there will be less and less phalanx builds and pure axe will dominate with the support of phalanx and slightly less damage than ego war. I tell you now 4/6/0/4/0 will be the future of warriors in pve.

Yes and your thoughts are strange and partially proofed wrong

Meta builds won’t change and Phalanx build is used in speedrungroups and not only for Puggroups.

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And why do you take a phalanx warrior for your party if not for the might?

Nobody said, that you don’t take a PS warriors for might.
But you said that a PS warrior only has his use in PuGgroups and this isn’t true.
Nearly every speedrungroup are playing with a PS warr.

but why – if others are able to perform 25 stacks might – it just takes engi ele or something.

l2r

I explained it now serveral times. people run 2 staff elementalists and with this comp a PS warr is essential.

I think the changes to Might are reasonable considering how powerful of a boon it is, especially to classes that can consistently stack it on themselves. I’m not sure about specific weapon/trait buffs, but they did list some proposed changes to Rifle in the patch notes, as well as the wonderful Rush fix! So it would make sense if they were to look at improving other things too.

With each of these patches, though, it feels like boons as well as conditions (i.e. vulnerability) are becoming closer and closer to each other in potency, and imo that’s a good thing.

Xyonon.3987:

but why – if others are able to perform 25 stacks might – it just takes engi ele or something.

Phalanx Warrior have 2 advantages
- Can stack 25 stacks of might by himself, which Ele or Engineer can’t do in combat (no changing weapons)
- Can do it more reliably. A dodge won’t ruin a might stacking, errors in rotation won’t after the stack as much, etc.

Engineer are ok in speed runs, but are never used in record run because they fall between two stools.

So there is two main ’’ideal’’ ways to gain 25 stacks of might. Elementalist or PS Warrior.

- Elementalist will be better where you can stack might before the fight. Ideally when you can stack on a boss while he’s still green, stack might in peace and have 25 might when he turn red, ready to get burst down. The boss should die under 20second so ele can equip scholar runes for more dps.

- PS Warrior will be better where you can stack might before the fight, for harder fight where Elementalist will have a hard time completing their rotation without dodging, or for fight that should last more than 20 seconds.

So PS Warrior is not only for pugs groups, they are use in some records run, it depend on the situation. Like a lot of things, its not black or white.

But nice, I see that most ppl talked about the issue that I ask in the OP.

It is funny that the OP started discussing warrior in Spvp and suddenly everyone is talking about pve.

This “balance” update changes nothing for warriors, and we’ll still be considered bottom tier. While all the other classes will still roll the same build, cause the might nerf ain’t gunna change kitten.