Guild Wars 2

Wait for the patch on the 30th. Retaliation damaged is being reduced by half and Warriors are getting a trait that increases damage by 3% for every boon on your enemy.

Gonna be good stuff.

I found ranged wep to be effective against em, and perma protection..do u mean hammer guards? If u losing to them u r just bad.

Scoobaniec.9561:

I found ranged wep to be effective against em, and perma protection..do u mean hammer guards? If u losing to them u r just bad.

If you’re serious I would love to know what game you’re playing. If, and this is the more likely scenario, you’re a troll… kitten you got me.

Ranged weapons are actually not a bad idea. Hear him out, I play both and the hardest thing for a survivable guardian to do is stick to an enemy with our melee weapons, heck even offensive ones relying on meditations can have a hard time sometimes depending on situation. Honestly, he may be onto something.

Warriors need more sustain.

My comment was more towards the second portion of his post, though no, ranged weapons are not a good choice against guardians because they don’t have an lot of burst that isn’t telegraphed 3 days in advance and guardians excel at mitigating DPS. That being said I’d still like to know in what universe hammer guardians are bad at any aspect of the game, not even speaking just to PvP.

Hammer Guardians excel at different things yes, but they aren’t bad. That part of his post I don’t agree with.

As for ranged weapons, I was going more off the philosophy that, Guardians have a hard time sticking to targets a lot of the time because they don’t have as many gap closers that are CC oriented as say Warrior. The build I run anyway, that’s all I meant

Sannhet.8745:

Scoobaniec.9561:

I found ranged wep to be effective against em, and perma protection..do u mean hammer guards? If u losing to them u r just bad.

If you’re serious I would love to know what game you’re playing. If, and this is the more likely scenario, you’re a troll… kitten you got me.

Did i said somewhere rely on ranged olny? Im sure i have played far more on warrior than u on ur whole acc.. If they run mace/shield+hammer u can kite them a bit to avoid being hitted.

I love how any sort of debate on these forums always boils down to “I R MOR SKILLD THAN U NUB”.

Look, I play both guardian and warrior – the boon hate is an incredible nerf. guardians cannot help but use boons, more than 80% of their skills give them.

Guardians also have the HP of ele’s, and the dps of a wet noodle. So long as you’re not trying to tank them down with a GS, you should always either a) beat them through raw DPS and burst advantage, or b) have them trying to flee with no mobility, catch up to them and kill them.

Seriously, we have the highest base HP, and the second best burst in the game, and we’re crying? Have you seen the new signet of might we’re getting? 3 unblockable attacks. Unblockable – no more aegis, or block skills, or anything except evade.

I’ll admit, I don’t do any pvp other than wvw, so I’m blind in that venue, but that venue is a minute part of the game. In every other aspect, we’re walking tall. PvE? We’re easy mode. Dungeons? 4 warriors and mes, pls. WvW? Grab a hammer and focus on the legs, rawr.

Honestly, you’d think we were rangers or ele’s. Rangers are stuck with a stupid AI, ele’s only have 1 build, and Anet is about to kill that.

We’re warriors, and we’re better than them.

EDIT: I only count us as second best burst, because there’s never a reason for someone to get poked with hundred blades. If they stand there, they deserve to die.

Also, speaking as someone who first mained a ranger, then swapped to warrior and guardian, I would commit an animal sacrifice on Anet’s front lawn to get half the damage from a longbow ranger as I get from my rifle.

stale.9785:

Look, I play both guardian and warrior – the boon hate is an incredible nerf. guardians cannot help but use boons, more than 80% of their skills give them.

Guardians also have the HP of ele’s, and the dps of a wet noodle. So long as you’re not trying to tank them down with a GS, you should always either a) beat them through raw DPS and burst advantage, or b) have them trying to flee with no mobility, catch up to them and kill them.

Seriously, we have the highest base HP, and the second best burst in the game, and we’re crying? Have you seen the new signet of might we’re getting? 3 unblockable attacks. Unblockable – no more aegis, or block skills, or anything except evade.

I’ll admit, I don’t do any pvp other than wvw, so I’m blind in that venue, but that venue is a minute part of the game. In every other aspect, we’re walking tall. PvE? We’re easy mode. Dungeons? 4 warriors and mes, pls. WvW? Grab a hammer and focus on the legs, rawr.

Honestly, you’d think we were rangers or ele’s. Rangers are stuck with a stupid AI, ele’s only have 1 build, and Anet is about to kill that.

We’re warriors, and we’re better than them.

EDIT: I only count us as second best burst, because there’s never a reason for someone to get poked with hundred blades. If they stand there, they deserve to die.

Also, speaking as someone who first mained a ranger, then swapped to warrior and guardian, I would commit an animal sacrifice on Anet’s front lawn to get half the damage from a longbow ranger as I get from my rifle.

Boon hate on a warrior is not an incredible nerf to guardians. You do realize that they removed a grandmaster trait to make room for this trait, which means it will most likely be a grandmaster trait. Meaning you need 30 discipline to get this. Even then, with Anet combining two burst grandmaster traits, and with hammer warrior being a popular choice in zerg balls and WvW, most will opt for the new burst trait. 20% cooldown and only 1 bar of adreanaline on Earthshaker? Yes please!

Boon hate will most likely be used in sPvP and roaming builds in WvW, its not like everybody will use this trait. Think about it this way as well. A lot of builds in WvW are an automatic 20 discipline. Hammer builds tend to use an automatic 20 in defense. People need to pull an extra 10 points from somewhere else, which will most likely be from the 25 in arms or the 10 in strength which people get for the % extra damage. Everything involves sacrifices.

We have the highest base HP, but why are we amongst the worst classes in bunker builds for sPvP? Clearly HP does not tell 80% of the story. Guardians can faceroll boons with relatively no regret, heal, block, retaliate like crazy. Warriors have ZERO protection, 33% dmg reduction is very strong, we have next to no sustain other than our own utility heal or go a pure tank shout build. And again Signet of Might will be a niche skill as well. Hammer warriors need their Endure Pains, Balance Stances, SoS, Bull’s Rush, etc. If I am not mistaken, many warriors run the shield for block which essentially makes them almost invulnerable for 3 seconds. Signet of Might can also be considered a nerf to warriors themselves, because a warrior blocking only to have another warrior pop the signet and CC them with the F1, that is deadly.

And I disagree with guardians having terrible DPS. The hammer and greatsword do a lot of damage on auto-attacks without having to pump a lot of attack. In between their retaliations, burns, symbols, etc, they can do decent and reliable damage. They lack mobility and they can be kited yes, but to me they are more of an actual WvW class as well as a warrior that shine in groups.

These buffs (particularly the boon hate, signet of might, dogged march) seem to target sPvP as Warriors can’t do reliable damage to foes who block everything and faceroll with boons and that conditions shut us down too easily and that we have little to no sustain. They seem to address these problems a bit.

killahmayne.9518

Hadn’t considered the depth of traiting for boon hate. I grant, it won’t come up much outside of PvP (which I don’t play, so I don’t care). Still, targeting the mechanic that guardians can’t avoid using which exists purely to make up for our kitten poor HP, is just evil.

For the rest of your post, well, play guardian for a while, in addition to your warrior. I have both, and I have nearly the same time on both (1200 hours guardian vs ~900 warrior.) The guardian has GS with staff as swap, warrior slings axe/mace or axe/warhorn and a rifle.

Damage from the warrior is generally speaking double what I manage on the guardian. The warrior has a fairly balanced mix of knights armour and zerker trinkets, rocking banners. Guardian has the obvious AH build (also kights arour and zerker trinkets).

The difference in survivability is simply that on guardian, I’ve got to be constantly aware of everything I’m doing, or I’m toast. The warrior has 8000HP more, with the same armour rating, and massively more power, because I don’t have to trait as a bunker to survive. (Actually, a lot of that “power” comes as extra crit, but the same net effect – far, far higher damage numbers.) The difference being, on the warrior either I’ve stomped what I’m facing flat, or I’m dead. The guardian, I’m popping my utilities madly as they come off cooldown, dodging in and out, and hopping to whittle away whatever I’m facing down.

Next, same as everyone, you bring up boons, but specify retaliation – the damage from it is pitiful. If they were complaining about Protection, I’d almost understand. It’s a short lived boon, that comes from the hammer chain, mace skill, or a shout. So you only find it in tanky builds. The other boons, aside from swiftness (“retreat”) only last for 3-10 seconds. They’re more in the lines of giving an extra dodge than they are “facerolling”. Pop the wrong boon? Guardian is toast. Pop the wrong utility on my warrior? I’ve got a banner, and my damage or defense went up.

If all the whining on the forums was about the warriors shortcomings in PvP, I never would have posted. I only piped up because we’ve managed to be whinier than the rangers and ele’s combined, when we have far less call to be. For dungeons, general PvE and WvW, we’re easy mode.

Yeah, the broken traits need attention (soon, please?) but could we please stop acting like we’re the bottom of the barrel, when we’re not?

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Sannhet.8745:

Scoobaniec.9561:

I found ranged wep to be effective against em, and perma protection..do u mean hammer guards? If u losing to them u r just bad.

If you’re serious I would love to know what game you’re playing. If, and this is the more likely scenario, you’re a troll… kitten you got me.

Did i said somewhere rely on ranged olny? Im sure i have played far more on warrior than u on ur whole acc.. (1/2) If they run mace/shield+hammer u can kite them a bit to avoid being hitted. (3)

1) Ad hominem.
2) I doubt it.
3) Since when do all hammer guardians run mace/shield in their offset and no gap closers in their utilities? If you meant a specific build you’ve fought that happens to use a hammer, you should make that clear. As opposed to lumping every guardian spec that uses one of their best weapons into a single category.

EDIT: Just so you don’t get confused here, as I’ve noticed you’re a wee bit sensitive, criticizing someone (ie calling them bad) for having trouble against one of the best specs of one of the better 1v1 classes in the game as one of the worst if not THE worst 1v1 class is not only idiotic, its downright delusional. Which is why I’ve picked apart your posts. Don’t really like ethugs. Especially illiterate ones.