Guild Wars 2

So I’ve played a few classes since day 1 of GW2, and I have to say, I find the Warrior’s downed abilities EXTREMELY lacking. The auto attack and the mending are obviously as standard…what I don’t understand is exactly what is the point of hammer throw and vengeance…I can’t think of a more useless skill in a pvp focused game… allow me to explain.

As a Warrior, if you go down in a 2v1 situation, There’s an extremely good chance you’ll die, because you can only knockdown one of said 2 people (usually both start channeling the finisher at the same time). There is a chance you could kill them with vengeance….However…. I find that if I do go down in melee range, and they start channeling immediately, even if you knock them down, you will not create enough time to actually use vengeance.
I find this skill to be extremely useless, and I can tell a lot of other warriors feel the same way.

9/10 Warrior’s I kill in sPvP do not even attempt to stop me from the killing blow because they know they cannot vengeance in time before I’ve finished the channel, despite being knocked down.

This is such a fragile way of playing, Thiefs, Mesmers, Guardians, Rangers..They all have useful downed skills that would prevent them from dying even if 2-3 people were channeling the death blow.

Thiefs teleport and then stealth, allowing themselves probably within the region of 10 seconds or more to channel mending or wait for back-up.
Mesmers will keep 4 people confused for 30 seconds or more..it’s exhausting trying to kill a mesmer.
Guardians can still support their team and cause massive aoe knockbacks, allowing themselves those precious seconds for mending(since guardians are natural healers they pick themselves up in 4 seconds)
Rangers get the ability to be healed by a pet, and themselves.

Why the hell is the Warrior downed skills in a pvp focused game so poorly designed around being death blowed..

I don’t actually even like vengeance when it does actually work (due to some massive errors by the enemy team in not finishing me), basically all it does it gives me another 15 seconds of frustration by 2 person kiting until I can die….Again.

What’s everybody else’s thoughts? Honestly I love PvP, and this one skill makes me sigh everytime I hover my mouse over the tooltip as I see the seconds remaining to use it tick down and never actually make it.

I actually agree with you here, compared to most other classes our downed skills are very lack luster.

I agree, for the most part. I get the impression they were trying to discourage Warriors from doing anything alone, as if they are alone, they cannot get up from the downed state whatsoever unless it is a 1v1 situation, or they can barely manage a rally.

The #1 skill has the highest downed state damage in the game, but that’s it. That’s our defense, for the most part.

#2, as we all know, is next to worthless. Even if it’s a 1v1, it can be blinded away, evaded and so on. Rangers can even just walk up behind their pet, ensuring you can’t use it on them. It’s a worthless skill.

The #3 kills you. That about sums it up. This is assuming it actually becomes available that century, as it has a very long recharge.

The whole downed state seems to revolve around how powerful Vengeance is supposed to be, as you’re the only profession that can go down, then just get right back up. Sounds overpowered until you play a Warrior long enough. It’s not a huge deal in PvE, obviously, but in sPvP, if you go down, you’re probably never getting back up again.

Yeah Plague this is exactly what I am getting at. It sounds like it should be really strong…and I’ll give it…In a 1v1 situation when you were killed from range and your target is far away, there’s a good chance you’ll get up with vengeance to finish them off.
The only problem with this is there is no real gain apart from the obvious “Hah-Hah” moment, there is almost no glory awarded..no titles to gain, there’s no time to cap a point or do anything useful…it really is just a waste.

I find other classes without the ability to get back on their feet are probably 5 times more likely to actually survive than we are. It’s the very definition of Irony.

Oh man, warriors have it bad?
At least you get a knockdown.
Try playing an ele in downed and tell me you dont feel like the most useless class in the world ;__;

Warriors are bad yes, but I think some of the other classes are too. When im in WvW and I see a necro, ele, or warrior down, I know it will be an easy death blow. The rest of the classes, are just annoying.
With thieves and mesmers, I dont bother DBing, I just start dpsing them, so when they move, its faster to just dps them the rest of the way then DB twice.

I don’t think it’s so much that warrior downed skills are bad as it is that mesmer/thief downed skills are ridiculous. I got a vengeance off today and immediately downed the lone thief that was chasing me, and you can guess what happened. Poof, poof, you have been defeated. By the way even if you don’t have it traited getting kills while having vengeance will still sometimes make you rally, which is why it’s a big deal to get that kill off.

However warrior downed skills are quite ahead of the other classes I think. I’ve never had any difficulty finishing off necros (they can do some damage while downed but not enough to a warrior), eles (probably the worst downed state in game), engis, rangers, and even guardians only have the one predictable knockback blast, it’s not like they are teleporting all over the place and disappearing.

What? We have a strng CC, a good damage skill and the chance to ressurect. What exactly is lacking here? Warriors downed state is right behind the way overpowered ones of Mesmer and Thief. They should just get rid of the whole concept in PvP.

The only thing that irks me is that the hammer doesn’t pierce targets. I’ll have some kitten rockdog or ranger pet right on top of me and I can’t throw to the guy a meter away because the pet is blocking my shot.

ANNOYING

But vengeance is a fun gamble and the other classes don’t even come close on their “big” downed skill.

The only thing I like about warrior downed skills is being able to troll whoever did most of the work killing me by ensuring he doesn’t get the killing blow by knocking him down while someone else is also channeling a finisher.

I’d prefer it if the hammer throw was an AoE knockdown with a minimal range instead of a single target knockdown, that way I could at least put up a small fight in WvW situations

Completely agree

Only way hammer is any useful is when you see vengeance will prop soon so you can time your hammer against the person who is closer a to DB, then use vengeance to avoid the second DB and try for a rally, even if most likely the downed person will rally himself due to vengeance ending as you DB them instead. Making our skill well, much more useless !

to quote the great chumbawumba… " I get knocked down, I get up again, you aint never gonne keep me down."

As warriors dont we last a bit longer int he downed state, than the other classes/professions?

You can improve Vengeance by using the Sweet Revenge trait (in the Discipline line) apparently. Now, whether or not a sane person WOULD do that I can’t say. It seems most people put their trait points into arms, defense, and tactics.

My suggestion would be for ArenaNet to move Sweet Revenge out of Discipline and have it swap places with Reviver’s Might (a minor trait).

I think that would go a long way toward making Vengeance more useable.

As for the hammer throw, it should probably either pierce or just not hit pets at all.

Hammer is usefull when you have to cc some of the dmg your taking making you last longer to get the vengence or heal off again