Guild Wars 2

Hi Warrior Family – Just sitting here thinking about those Dagger leaks for our class. Wanted to get everyone’s thoughts on whether you think Daggers will be condi or power. Do we need a melee condi weapon? Do you think Daggers will provide more mobility? Would they perhaps provide some defense…against magic?

Are there any precedents in GW1 for instance which would inform us of how warriors would use daggers?

Dagger is a joke. Melee staff would’ve been much cooler, but they give another crappy weapon like torch. What kind of “Warrior” runs around with a dagger?

Historically, dagger makes sense as an offhand “warrior” weapon. I’m fine with it main hand too, and is value will be determined by what it does.

Back to the OP, there’s no precedent from gw1 in terms of warriors and daggers, but given the name “spellbreaker” (our whatever), perhaps it’ll have an interrupt or some new anti-spell mechanic.

I’d like to see a weapon that could be used as power, Condi, or both, which isn’t hard to accomplish. Faster attacks and defensive utility would also be valuable, along with mid-range striking.

I hear you. Dagger’s are little small in the hands of my Norn War. But is there precedent for Wars using Daggers in GW1?

i predict it be mainhand, i would like it to be offhand because of s/d coolness

but the thing is…we already have enough offhand that does everything..
i want a power mainhand that has mobility…right now is either condimobility, powernomobility or ccnomobility…which is kind of unfair…because condi is strong too

Sarnax.8357:

I hear you. Dagger’s are little small in the hands of my Norn War. But is there precedent for Wars using Daggers in GW1?

Yes. In Random Arenas there was build where warrior knocked target down with hammer and then swapped weapon to daggers for several quick attacks. This was basically one-shot combo if the target did not receive support. Here is link to the wiki page (similar to metabattle). http://gwpvx.gamepedia.com/Build:W/A_BB_Dagger_Warrior

GunnarMare.9218:

Sarnax.8357:

I hear you. Dagger’s are little small in the hands of my Norn War. But is there precedent for Wars using Daggers in GW1?

Yes. In Random Arenas there was build where warrior knocked target down with hammer and then swapped weapon to daggers for several quick attacks. This was basically one-shot combo if the target did not receive support. Here is link to the wiki page (similar to metabattle). http://gwpvx.gamepedia.com/Build:W/A_BB_Dagger_Warrior

I stand corrected. It wasn’t a warrior weapon in gw1, but I forgot about the class mixing midweek the game used. As noted, a warrior could use a dagger if assassin was the subclass.

I can’t wait for the new spec to come out, it can’t get here soon enough. I really hope its a strong anti-mesmer, thief, and ele skillset.

Its time to go HUNTING.

The name spell breaker suggests a class that might nullify boons as a focus.

I’m thinking both main and offhand dagger going by the artwork for SpellBreaker.

elite spell looks like it might be a energy shield of sorts. could be fun. but then again, as soon as mystic is out for BDO I doubt I’ll touch this game again.

The name Spellbreaker implies a number of things that might happen but mostly that it’s a defensive playstyle.

A. The daggers will probably focus on boon stripping and mobility skills. Quickness, swiftness, etc also seem likely. Probably anti-kiting skill as well, which means control conditions.
B. Utilities will focus on overcoming “spells” which probably means anti-cc and anti-condi. They will not be boon-heavy, however.
C. Traits will likely be strongly defensive. I think they will try to partially replace either Defense or Discipline trait lines, which have been rather mandatory (atleast PvP) for warriors for a long time. But there’s also probably going to be a line of traits to improve weapon skills, and other stuff.

im more interested about utility skills,something more usefull than leap,wp or stutter blow…

Yannir.4132:

A. The daggers will probably focus on boon stripping and mobility skills.

inb4 another leap skill lol anet not going to give warrior anything fancy ever

Honnestly, I really hate this whole double dagger idea. Especially since it feel like the main hand dagger is another melee weapon. Another main hand melee weapon doesn’t feel necessary since axe, mace and sword already cover anything that can be done by a mainhand melee weapon.

An off hand dagger would pass and maybe bring something on the table but a main hand? that will be redundant.

lighter.2708:

Yannir.4132:

A. The daggers will probably focus on boon stripping and mobility skills.

inb4 another leap skill lol anet not going to give warrior anything fancy ever

I was actually thinking more in the lines of elementalist fire daggers.

I am fine with about anything as long as it isn’t yet another off-hand weapon only.
Dual daggers especially would allow for some interesting weapon combinations.

All though, my favorite will always be a land spear or a greataxe if were are ever going to see new weapon types.

I was hoping for some kind of Desciple of Balthazar with staff, something that functions a little like battlemage in heavy armor for example.

Anyway honestly, it doesn’t matter what the weapon is, if the design and skills are good. The weapon can be a barbie doll for all I care, as long as it’s effective. The name “Spell breaker” does suggest to me that maybe it might not be such a melee orientated spec. I think Warrior could really use some nice ranged aoe type of weapon skills…

But I think that way because I’m a GvG WvW only player at this point and that’s what works there, it’s something that always comes in handy…

it will have to be pretty dang dope. otherwise i wont be buying the expansion.

After the butchering that shield received recently, dagger in offhand doesn’t have to try too hard to be a decent alternative.

I still can’t picture a mainhand dagger for warrior.

I can just imagine the dialogue between a thief and a warrior, “You call that a dagger? THIS is a dagger!” hue

Interesting change of the warrior theme, probably greater than Berserker which could be described as “a regular Warrior, but even more Warrior”.

Definitely the most interesting elite spec so far according to leaked information.

If it’s anything related to GW1, I could see a couple possible links?

• Something like a Warrior/Assassin with extra utility, and an ability/elite akin to GW1’s Shadow Form – Cannot be targeted by enemy spells, and gain extra damage reduction per Assassin Enchantment.
  So, change it to damage reduction when boons are applied, and you get some sort of.. Ninja Warrior?

• A Wammo (Warrior/Monk), probably with mid-range abilities, with an ability/elite similar to GW1’s Spell Breaker – Target ally cannot be targeted by enemy spells
  So, maybe change it to a “blur” type ability or some sort of area/wall, and you get.. an Assassin Guardian?

Of course, the name may only be a coincidence and only loosely based around the GW1 verson of the skill. Kind of like how the GW1 version of Mending is a Monk skill that provides continuous Health regeneration, but the GW2 version is a Warrior heal that removes conditions.

In any case, I’m probably really wrong in a lot of ways, and mostly just basing my guesses on the GW1 skill Spell Breaker.

one of the trait icons looks like Aang from avatar. so maybe some elemental stuff?

i think guardian gets tomes on f keys, so i hope we get something that cool.

Anyone have a link to the specialization leaks? I don’t put much faith in them but would be nice to see.

After seeing the Priest of Balthazaar with a staff and heavy armor (I know Guardians/revenants can do this) I would love to see a Battle Mage. Forceful AoE Magic and some Melee + Cantrip utility skills

the links to the leak get deleted, and your posts linking them will get deleted. just google gw2 expansion leaks. there are tons of Reddit posts with imgur galleries. it looks very legit. full wheels for skills/traits and some UI screenshots.

zoomout dragon scene in the trailer of xpac2 shows at last on the left side a warrior like character (the left of the two big ones while zooming out). he had dagger main & sword offhand.

I am concerned about traits more than Dagger.

How it will work with other trait lines ? , Are Defense/Discipline lines still mandatory ?

Also power creeping in general.

Juba.8406:

I am concerned about traits more than Dagger.

How it will work with other trait lines ? , Are Defense/Discipline lines still mandatory ?

Also power creeping in general.

Agreed Warrior requires a full redesign to bring up to par with all the other classes, because calling a warrior a warrior in gw2 is wrong at this point in time.

Hopefully, the dagger is used for some cool Finishing type moves. like the rondel dagger was used in historical combat. After downing the opponent a knight or man at arms would use the dagger to find a weak spot in armor (like an eye slit) to finish there enemy off.

Potato.2567:

…What kind of “Warrior” runs around with a dagger?

There are lots in popular culture if you think about it. Plus actual fighting style.

Choppy.4183:

GunnarMare.9218:

Sarnax.8357:

I hear you. Dagger’s are little small in the hands of my Norn War. But is there precedent for Wars using Daggers in GW1?

Yes. In Random Arenas there was build where warrior knocked target down with hammer and then swapped weapon to daggers for several quick attacks. This was basically one-shot combo if the target did not receive support. Here is link to the wiki page (similar to metabattle). http://gwpvx.gamepedia.com/Build:W/A_BB_Dagger_Warrior

I stand corrected. It wasn’t a warrior weapon in gw1, but I forgot about the class mixing midweek the game used. As noted, a warrior could use a dagger if assassin was the subclass.

There was also the shield skin that was a dagger.

I wish the upcoming dagger warrior will be more of an agile class. The current warrior/zerker feels clunky as hell to play compared to other specializations. Only viable weapon is GS since what? beta? It’s not about any nerfs that make warrior worst each day, it’s the buffs that warrior didn’t really get to make him on par with others.

I wish we get some boons or protection or something thats sharable to the party and as wanted as revs resistance or guardians stab in WvW. That’s something we kind of lack at the moment.

Seems really unimaginative. I was hoping for a Spear / Shield combo like Paragon was. Would fit within the “spellbreaker” quite nicely. Shield from the magic and poke em with your pointy stick.

Now we get some abominable assassin (GW1 assassins had some nice boon stripping tools with dagger/dagger) with heavy armor…

I dont like it.

/PS

Tiny dagger mainhand on my max height norn, just looks ridiculous.

Aureole.7862:

Seems really unimaginative. I was hoping for a Spear / Shield combo like Paragon was. Would fit within the “spellbreaker” quite nicely. Shield from the magic and poke em with your pointy stick.

Now we get some abominable assassin (GW1 assassins had some nice boon stripping tools with dagger/dagger) with heavy armor…

I dont like it.

/PS

Tiny dagger mainhand on my max height norn, just looks ridiculous.

If there’s something that’s not lacking in this game is HUGE daggers, take your pick.
I think it’s a very imaginative take on the warrior cliche’. Introducing a new weapon like the spear would have been much more problematic for the devs and quite unfair to the other classes.

You are getting two new weapons you can freely combine with existing ones, at once. Plus we don’t know what new skins the future will bring.

The only thing I find disappointing is that even the warrior is using the reverse-grip to hold the daggers, despite holding them in the traditional way in the artwork. Would’ve been a great way of differentiating the warrior a bit from all the other dagger wielding classes in the game.

Gold Fractal Dagger is large and golden.

I really dislike the idea of Staff on warrior. I think any weapon being wielded by a warrior should have strong physical impact. Heavy Blunt Hammers, Gouging swords. Weakness finding daggers are meh, but I’ll take it. I’d like you to imagine you’re going to fight other armed kittenes in combat, and someone hands you a large stick…. are you kittening kidding me bro I’ll take the Rifle or a giant kittening sword. Staff on thief is dumb, staff on rev looks dumb, keep it to the mages.

I wouldn’t mind a staff used like a spear (the stabby kind, not the swishy kind), but a reflect-orientated dagger warrior could be cool too. Lorewise it makes sense for at least one profession to take an interest in broken weapons, given what happened to Caladbolg.

I don’t really get any of this hate some warrior players seem to have for daggers. I understand that they could be perceived as only being agile thiefy weapons but the whole flavour of the Warrior is that they’re weapon masters. I think warrior getting dual daggers is awesome, since they’re being used in a more warrior-in-your-face kinda way, and especially since there seems to be some lore ties to them representing the spearheads of the “broken sunspears” or something. As far as I see it, the only weapons that don’t make sense for warriors are the ones with magical ties (sceptre, focus, etc).

caerulean.4837:

I don’t really get any of this hate some warrior players seem to have for daggers. I understand that they could be perceived as only being agile thiefy weapons but the whole flavour of the Warrior is that they’re weapon masters. I think warrior getting dual daggers is awesome, since they’re being used in a more warrior-in-your-face kinda way, and especially since there seems to be some lore ties to them representing the spearheads of the “broken sunspears” or something. As far as I see it, the only weapons that don’t make sense for warriors are the ones with magical ties (sceptre, focus, etc).

A warrior who would not carry a backup dagger was not a very smart warrior. in my book.

Cloud Windfoot Omega.7485:

caerulean.4837:

I don’t really get any of this hate some warrior players seem to have for daggers. I understand that they could be perceived as only being agile thiefy weapons but the whole flavour of the Warrior is that they’re weapon masters. I think warrior getting dual daggers is awesome, since they’re being used in a more warrior-in-your-face kinda way, and especially since there seems to be some lore ties to them representing the spearheads of the “broken sunspears” or something. As far as I see it, the only weapons that don’t make sense for warriors are the ones with magical ties (sceptre, focus, etc).

A warrior who would not carry a backup dagger was not a very smart warrior. in my book.

But… Spellbreaker isn’t about carrying daggers. It’s about using a martial art that involves broken swords (which just so happens to also apply to daggers).

Westenev.5289:

Cloud Windfoot Omega.7485:

caerulean.4837:

I don’t really get any of this hate some warrior players seem to have for daggers. I understand that they could be perceived as only being agile thiefy weapons but the whole flavour of the Warrior is that they’re weapon masters. I think warrior getting dual daggers is awesome, since they’re being used in a more warrior-in-your-face kinda way, and especially since there seems to be some lore ties to them representing the spearheads of the “broken sunspears” or something. As far as I see it, the only weapons that don’t make sense for warriors are the ones with magical ties (sceptre, focus, etc).

A warrior who would not carry a backup dagger was not a very smart warrior. in my book.

But… Spellbreaker isn’t about carrying daggers. It’s about using a martial art that involves broken swords (which just so happens to also apply to daggers).

I was not talking about warriors as spellbreakers. I was talking about real warriors.

Cloud Windfoot Omega.7485:

Westenev.5289:

Cloud Windfoot Omega.7485:

caerulean.4837:

I don’t really get any of this hate some warrior players seem to have for daggers. I understand that they could be perceived as only being agile thiefy weapons but the whole flavour of the Warrior is that they’re weapon masters. I think warrior getting dual daggers is awesome, since they’re being used in a more warrior-in-your-face kinda way, and especially since there seems to be some lore ties to them representing the spearheads of the “broken sunspears” or something. As far as I see it, the only weapons that don’t make sense for warriors are the ones with magical ties (sceptre, focus, etc).

A warrior who would not carry a backup dagger was not a very smart warrior. in my book.

But… Spellbreaker isn’t about carrying daggers. It’s about using a martial art that involves broken swords (which just so happens to also apply to daggers).

I was not talking about warriors as spellbreakers. I was talking about real warriors.

Wasn’t the sword often considered the sidearm of choice because it was fairly lightweight, easy to fasten and manoeuvre? Daggers on the other hand are often considered concealed weapons (although, admittedly, Parrying daggers were a thing). A knife wouldn’t help you charge a cavalry line, nor would it help you repel a spear wall.

I personally don’t think this elite spec has basis on history though, and is somewhat based off the protagonist of the Seven Deadly Sins (or a similar concept).

Daggers were the most commonly carried sidearm during the middle ages, they were used by everyone including knights who regarded them highly. They could feature blades up to 12 inches in length, that’s massive by today’s standards.

Men at Arms and Knights trained themselves in using daggers in both offensive and defensive ways. They were often life-savers in battle, hence their popularity among the fighting classes.

Long knives or daggers were used by almost every fighting nation since ancient times, and still are used today.

I think that qualifies as a true warriors weapon.

hmmm i wonder if i could make a canceller dagger/shield tank with proper trait set up and toughness stat.

Westenev.5289:

Cloud Windfoot Omega.7485:

Westenev.5289:

Cloud Windfoot Omega.7485:

caerulean.4837:

I don’t really get any of this hate some warrior players seem to have for daggers. I understand that they could be perceived as only being agile thiefy weapons but the whole flavour of the Warrior is that they’re weapon masters. I think warrior getting dual daggers is awesome, since they’re being used in a more warrior-in-your-face kinda way, and especially since there seems to be some lore ties to them representing the spearheads of the “broken sunspears” or something. As far as I see it, the only weapons that don’t make sense for warriors are the ones with magical ties (sceptre, focus, etc).

A warrior who would not carry a backup dagger was not a very smart warrior. in my book.

But… Spellbreaker isn’t about carrying daggers. It’s about using a martial art that involves broken swords (which just so happens to also apply to daggers).

I was not talking about warriors as spellbreakers. I was talking about real warriors.

Wasn’t the sword often considered the sidearm of choice because it was fairly lightweight, easy to fasten and manoeuvre? Daggers on the other hand are often considered concealed weapons (although, admittedly, Parrying daggers were a thing). A knife wouldn’t help you charge a cavalry line, nor would it help you repel a spear wall.

I personally don’t think this elite spec has basis on history though, and is somewhat based off the protagonist of the Seven Deadly Sins (or a similar concept).

no, swords were a main weapon or a backup to a pole arm

daggers were backups meant to be used against surprise attacks where unsheathing a sword would be too cumbersome. Being able to counterattack and react where why daggers were a very common backup weapon. As such, a counterattacking class, would make sense to have a dagger.

It really depends on times. Please remember these things were in use in many cultures and though long human history. In times with less armoured foes, swords were often main weapon.

In late middle ages, sword an dagger were both sidearms in big combat scenarios, with main knight weapon being polearm (lance for example), axe or mace, as you needed to somehow damage enemy in plate armour. Swords were then more of status symbol and main weapon in fight with less armoured foes. This also includes katanas btw ;-)

Daggers were more specialised and backup weapon, used in close quarters or crowd. There were many dagger types, misericorde or Nepal khukri are extremely different weapons.

And at the end – don’t look don’t down daggers. For example, in axe duels daggers were often most scary weapon, because to swing axe you had to put your arm up… which made if perfect to stab your unarmored armpit with dagger. And well, there is such thing as axillary artery.

CrashTheGrey.1492:

I really dislike the idea of Staff on warrior. I think any weapon being wielded by a warrior should have strong physical impact. Heavy Blunt Hammers, Gouging swords. Weakness finding daggers are meh, but I’ll take it. I’d like you to imagine you’re going to fight other armed kittenes in combat, and someone hands you a large stick…. are you kittening kidding me bro I’ll take the Rifle or a giant kittening sword. Staff on thief is dumb, staff on rev looks dumb, keep it to the mages.

Have you never heard of the Irish Shillelagh? Or even a Quarterstaff? You can really kitten someone up fighting with a staff. Daredevil’s staff was great. Spears are nothing more than a staff with a blade on the end, and the blade is completely optional to ruining someone’s day, simply from the physical force magnified over the weapon’s length and focused on the tip.

Sartharina.3542:

Have you never heard of the Irish Shillelagh? Or even a Quarterstaff? You can really kitten someone up fighting with a staff. Daredevil’s staff was great. Spears are nothing more than a staff with a blade on the end, and the blade is completely optional to ruining someone’s day, simply from the physical force magnified over the weapon’s length and focused on the tip.

Or Bo staffs. There is a reason they are parts of most eastern martial arts training.