Guild Wars 2

Compared to the other classes we are basicly the /Red Solo Cups/ of GW2, we are used and die easy.

Why can’t we builds for sustain as other classes can?

Coz Anet balances PvP for PVE.

Because we are all alone. We really don’t have a dedicated team member playing warrior as far as I know. Same thing goes for engineer. They roll thieves, mesmers, and eles. Figures

I would be happy if they gave us more stuff that has condition removal, that heal blows – and so does having to slot in a skill that just does condition removal alone, nothing else.

Because our best heal gives us a 3rd (at most) of our health back on an ungodly long cooldown. Other sources of healing just do more harm than good – banner regen is a joke, shout healing renders our utilities useless. If you have ever lost to a shout healing warrior then you are a terrible player :]

Giving us high base HP was a good way to go, it helps us with this DPS race that the Warrior is all about. But our healing skills weren’t scaled to match (not to mention they are terrible even if given to another profession.)

Daecollo.9578:

Compared to the other classes we are basicly the /Red Solo Cups/ of GW2, we are used and die easy.

Why can’t we builds for sustain as other classes can?

What are you talking about? That would help tremendously.
If you are talking about PvE, then it is honestly a L2D issue.. Learn to Dodge lol..
Not even a guardian can face-tank high-end fractal mobs.
My warrior w/ EP, shield #5 can probably invulnerability tank more…

If you are talking about WvWvW, you need to take a step away from the berserker train. We do not suck in WvWvW, but we are extremely limited in the roles that we can play. Hammer warriors, while easily countered, are an absolutely necessary part of a solid Zerg train.

Elegante.6235:

I would be happy if they gave us more stuff that has condition removal, that heal blows – and so does having to slot in a skill that just does condition removal alone, nothing else.

Have you ever tried Lemongrass? Conditions don’t tear you apart as easily. Too many people are focused on DPS and don’t want to sacrifice their offensive food for this.

Shake it Off removes a condition, but it also breaks stun. That is incredible.
Also, soldier runes + shout build makes you super beefy and condition free

Dolan.3071:

Because our best heal gives us a 3rd (at most) of our health back on an ungodly long cooldown. Other sources of healing just do more harm than good – banner regen is a joke, shout healing renders our utilities useless. If you have ever lost to a shout healing warrior then you are a terrible player :]

Giving us high base HP was a good way to go, it helps us with this DPS race that the Warrior is all about. But our healing skills weren’t scaled to match (not to mention they are terrible even if given to another profession.)

1v1 if you lose to a shout warrior, then it makes sense, but the shout warrior is honestly a very viable and potent spec in group roam + zerg play.

http://gw2buildcraft.com/calculator/warrior/?8.0|1.1c.h2|c.1c.9c.g.1c.h1j|1c.7x.1c.7x.1c.7x.1c.7x.1c.7x.1c.7x|2u.0.2u.0.3u.0.2u.0.3u.0.2u.0|0.a6.u28b.u18c.0|1k.1|5x.69.6b.6a.6m|e

This is a build I play just to enjoy WvWvW. It’s designed primarily to support the team while annoying the crap out of the enemy. Let me explain the pros/cons and how I play it.
(This is when I am not playing my Hammer Warrior. There seems to be a plethora lately and stability is a hard counter, so I have been changing to this).

1. Immense survivability/sustainability/support
Healing Signet (210 hps) + Mango Pie (88 hps) + Adrenal Health (120 hps) = 318hps
Three heals every 21s for 1,323 heath each = 189hps
Overall Heath Per Second = 507
Overall condition removals per 21s (group of 5) = 20 (FGJ 1, SIO 2, OMM 1) x5
Shake It Off helps you fight off some chained spikes as it breaks stun.
40%+ damage mitigation and 31k health (I usually have 33k+ w/ bonuses).
Effective health almost 60k.

2. Mobility (Both in and out of combat)
I don’t know why, but so many people don’t mention this when talking about gap closers and survival/sustain! Permanent (or prolonged) swiftness is undeniable one of the most important aspects of any fight.

Calculating the 30% boon duration bonus from tactics line:
Signet of Fury gives 39s of Swiftness per 60s.
Charge (Warhorn) gives 13s of Swiftness per 15s AND removes movement hindrances.
Charge = 52s of Swiftness per 60s.

Overall, that is 91s of Swiftness per 60s. I find myself stacking 2m of swiftness easily between battles. Also, Haste effects your team as well! (as do shouts, duh lol)

Now, add in Vigor… (30% boon duration from Tactics once again)
Furious Reaction provides 13s vigor per 30s. (26/60)
Call to Arms provides 13s vigor per 20s. (39/60)

That’s a ton of vigor… but here is the amazing, and often overlooked, part… Call to Arms applies Weakness to the enemy!
Weakness applies 50% less endurance regeneration and 50% of normal hits become glancing blows (50% less damage). That’s a big difference. Applied to multiple enemies, the effects are colossal.

You will have 6s (5s + 30%boon = 6.5 rounded down) of retaliation every 15s from your defense line trait. During those 6s, you want to Face tank as much damage as possible. With GS + Sword/Warhorn (Highest possible mobility combination), you’re not going to have any trouble getting in people’s faces. Also, remember that Sword F1, Sword #3, and GS #4 all cause 1s immobilize. 10x more annoying than knockdowns since stability is so common these days.

You’re job is to get right into the face of the enemy. With your insane amount of regeneration, conditional remove, armor, health points… you should be able to last 6s as long as you don’t try to take too much. After that, switch and pin down as you see necessary. Vigor, regen, and weakness will keep you alive.

If anyone tries to run… well, that should not be a problem. A warrior with GS and Sword/War Horn is hard to outrun. Even a thief or D/D elemental will have a hard time.

Well… yea that’s about it Hope you have fun!

Oops, made a mistake in the build.
Adjusted.

Why would you run a warrior like that when you can just run a bunker ele or guardian and actually be useful? Chasing down 1 person so your zerg can steamroll it for you isn’t very fun bro.

AlBundy.7851:

Why would you run a warrior like that when you can just run a bunker ele or guardian and actually be useful? Chasing down 1 person so your zerg can steamroll it for you isn’t very fun bro.

AlBundy, because I love the Warrior. With your attitude, I’m surprised that you’re not simply sticking to the “current OP” class.

The reason we make up and enjoy these builds is because we want to do them on a Warrior. A lot of us enjoy playing the Warrior class.
Also, I don’t recall ever stating that I chased down a person for a Zerg. That’s actually one of the most kitten things anyone can do while in a Zerg. You should always stick with the Zerg.

I primarily play in a 5 man roaming team, and I enjoy it with my warrior. I have played a bunker D/D ele and I despise it. You can easily master attunement swapping from 1-80 PvE, and then it all becomes a matter of your fingers getting used to it for WvWvW. It’s a highly engaging play style, but there is absolutely no weakness or situation where you can really say you are disadvantaged. This type of build takes the fun out of games for me, so I stopped playing it. (Asuran D/D ele looks awesome though haha)

Now, a bunker guardian is just as good, but I don’t think that it fills this role that I love as the Warrior. GS + Sword/War Horn is invaluable for catching people, and the constant supply of swiftness when moving between camps is nice. Sure, other classes can do it, but I just love my warrior for it.

That’s why we’re in the Warrior forums. If the mentality was “why do this when other classes can do better?” … then … I suggest you choose that better class and come back to warriors in a a year or so

WvW = the greater number wins and is so imbalanced you can’t survive outside a zerg as anything other than a thief/mes/bunker Ele. Basing your warrior opinion off WvW is invalid as its biggest weakness – lack of healing and survivability – is made up for by the fact that you’re in an ENORMOUS group of people.

And as Albundy said, being an immobilise machine for your group/zerg is just the lowest style of play. Warriors that call themselves valuable because they lock down people for their team. Get people in 1v1 and let’s see how valuable it really is.

I logged in and played some hot joins for the first time in about 3 months. Back then warrior was still the worst class but today……… after about 2 hrs of playing i literally was the ONLY WARRIOR in the servers i joined. Jesus, even back in Jan, there were still plenty of warriors even though we were bad, now there are none in spvp.

Still did fine in hot joins where the average skill level is pretty low, but wasn’t able to pub stomp as hard as before. Not even gonna bother in tournament, i know my warrior will get its kitten handed to it. sigh…….

Recently.1043:

I logged in and played some hot joins for the first time in about 3 months. Back then warrior was still the worst class but today……… after about 2 hrs of playing i literally was the ONLY WARRIOR in the servers i joined. Jesus, even back in Jan, there were still plenty of warriors even though we were bad, now there are none in spvp.

Still did fine in hot joins where the average skill level is pretty low, but wasn’t able to pub stomp as hard as before. Not even gonna bother in tournament, i know my warrior will get its kitten handed to it. sigh…….

This is what I’m finding… I’ll think I’m doing really well and be all “wow warriors aren’t that bad” then I’ll try tPvP and just the level of play and teamwork is such a huge step up. It really shows you how poorly a profession that relies on a couple of predictable attacks to dish out 90% of our damage with little to no self healing ability will fare…. I mean with my build just L2D Eviscerate/Killshot and you can just nibble me to death. Other classes just easily heal through the other attacks whereas I cannot heal at all (what it feels like.)

My shouts warrior

I do not need to stick with the zerg, yet I also don’t expect to single hand groups. On the other hands, I can easily escape from groups not so big 5~7 and while in the zerg I normally can escape.

Nefandi.3051:

My shouts warrior

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kLCI5Z78Z3c

I do not need to stick with the zerg, yet I also don’t expect to single hand groups. On the other hands, I can easily escape from groups not so big 5~7 and while in the zerg I normally can escape.

No offense but whats the point of linking some wvw stuff? That’s another step down in terms of skill compared to hot join spvp.

Recently.1043:

No offense but whats the point of linking some wvw stuff? That’s another step down in terms of skill compared to hot join spvp.

I don’t think this discussion is focusing on a particular aspect of the game, so why not? And to say it takes less skill is false because you can’t directly compare between sPvP and WvW. They’re two different game types that require different play styles.

Faranox.4217:

Recently.1043:

No offense but whats the point of linking some wvw stuff? That’s another step down in terms of skill compared to hot join spvp.

I don’t think this discussion is focusing on a particular aspect of the game, so why not? And to say it takes less skill is false because you can’t directly compare between sPvP and WvW. They’re two different game types that require different play styles.

spvp is much more balanced as gear, any buffs, matched level are all provided for you
as everyone has the top armor, everyone is max level, etc

In wvw you can be up leveled, have crappy gear and crappy buffs.

sPvP is ALL about skill

Bacon Please.8407:

Faranox.4217:

Recently.1043:

No offense but whats the point of linking some wvw stuff? That’s another step down in terms of skill compared to hot join spvp.

I don’t think this discussion is focusing on a particular aspect of the game, so why not? And to say it takes less skill is false because you can’t directly compare between sPvP and WvW. They’re two different game types that require different play styles.

sPvP is ALL about who plays the most meta/fotm professions and builds

Lawl, Fix’d.

its true, warriors do go down easy

but never before the second date!

CookMETEnder.7582:

AlBundy.7851:

Why would you run a warrior like that when you can just run a bunker ele or guardian and actually be useful? Chasing down 1 person so your zerg can steamroll it for you isn’t very fun bro.

AlBundy, because I love the Warrior. With your attitude, I’m surprised that you’re not simply sticking to the “current OP” class.

The reason we make up and enjoy these builds is because we want to do them on a Warrior. A lot of us enjoy playing the Warrior class.
Also, I don’t recall ever stating that I chased down a person for a Zerg. That’s actually one of the most kitten things anyone can do while in a Zerg. You should always stick with the Zerg.

I primarily play in a 5 man roaming team, and I enjoy it with my warrior. I have played a bunker D/D ele and I despise it. You can easily master attunement swapping from 1-80 PvE, and then it all becomes a matter of your fingers getting used to it for WvWvW. It’s a highly engaging play style, but there is absolutely no weakness or situation where you can really say you are disadvantaged. This type of build takes the fun out of games for me, so I stopped playing it. (Asuran D/D ele looks awesome though haha)

Now, a bunker guardian is just as good, but I don’t think that it fills this role that I love as the Warrior. GS + Sword/War Horn is invaluable for catching people, and the constant supply of swiftness when moving between camps is nice. Sure, other classes can do it, but I just love my warrior for it.

That’s why we’re in the Warrior forums. If the mentality was “why do this when other classes can do better?” … then … I suggest you choose that better class and come back to warriors in a a year or so

I love you….!

Warrior is strong in WvW and weak and in need of a buff in spvp/tpvp.
You want protection and regen on your warrior? Treat your warhorn for it.
Warriors are actually quite strong in WvW. Fighting against thiefs is always really close and the one who make the most mistakes loses. Mesmers depends on the build, some just keep invulv/root/stun break the kitten out of you.

Bunker eles, can’t kill you, you can’t kill them. Just some hitting there, hitting here and you both leave the opposite direction.

This is all with a bunker shout/heal warrior. Which is in my eyes the only viable WvW build out there. You don’t have to be as tanky as Cook is. But zerker armor is just so so bad in WvW. And I wouldn’t say a guardian does everything better than a warrior. They have totally different roles. And they pretty much equally tanky. And yes I play both.

ps.: gw2buildcraft is imo the best build site out there atm. I love it.

CookMETEnder.7582:

[…] because I love the Warrior. […]

I’ve been playing Warrior since launch and won’t give up on the class. I feel that if we can excel when we’re at our weakest and learn from that, when we finally get our due buffs, be it in WvW, PvP, or whatever, we will become that much more powerful. I can’t wait.

He’s not running a tanky build he only has 300 healing power. His shouts only heal for 1,000

Have you ever played WvWvW before? I’m honestly curious. When you are part of the Zerg, your focus is not killing stragglers. It’s taking towers, keeps, supply camps, etc. You kill what gets in your way, but if something runs, you never deviate to chase. That is basically letting that person succeed.
In group roam, that’s not the point. We take camps to cut off supply and kill off anyone we can find. Quite different

I play my class pretty well. It seems that you simply die to everyone and QQ in all your posts. Hell, I like Daecollo better than you, lol.
Ineffective? Hardly. The only scenario where Warrior is ineffective is sPvP.

I am saying that while Guardian survives better, I like what Warrior has to offer personally. I prefer having the shouts and the warriors mobility. Also, I simply love the Warrior class more

I often mistake it. If you look at any of my threads, I often say Signet of Fury and later edit it.

I editted the build a bit, but it’s still rushed. I did it in about 3 minutes just to give you a raw view

Add me in-game and I’ll show you. Hell, you can even tag along if you can survive

Simple research would have shown you that I rarely play elemental. The only forum I frequent is the warrior forum. I have yet to post once in the ele forums

From what I see, far more people support me than you… and that’s rather sad as my style of writing is rather offensive quite often.
You’re in a warrior forum with non-stop kittening about how Warrior is weak, yet many of us play and enjoy it. Not only that, but also we play at an efficient level.
PvE – Warriors are gods
WvWvW – Warriors are great, but limited
PvP – We need work.

Funny how everyone except you things gw2buildcraft is garbage. Shows a lot about your credibility

I avoided your posts for quite some time, but after seeing you post QQ threads repeatedly, I decided to step in.

AlBundy.7851:

He’s not running a tanky build he only has 300 healing power. His shouts only heal for 1,000

Good job ruining what little credibility you had left.
Try traiting a shout build and using one.

Funny how you asked for support and you immediately bash those that agree with me
Have a good one, buddy.

I think I still have more credibility than you even if you think I lessened it

AlBundy.7851:

I think I still have more credibility than you even if you think I lessened it

Doubt it
With your recent string of troll threads and non-stop complaints, you’ve become like that other guy that basically disappeared. Don’t remember his name -.-…

Anyways, have fun mate. It definitely looks like you have a lot of support

I think I’m being pretty nice I didn’t even call you out for your zerg comments. Zerging is pretty much the most pathetic thing you can possibley do at this point in wvw. Like I don’t even understand the argument that warriors are fine in wvw when you face the same classes you do in Spvp there’s not much of a disconnect imo.

I mean if you don’t play for points which a lot of ppl don’t I guess zereging is ok but it’s pretty much a guaranteed loss every week. Maybe some ppl think wvw loot is good because they never played any of the pve in this game idk?

The build is good for WvW, AoE boons/cleanses/heals (no overlapping regens) are a good way to keep the zerg train going. But that is all it is good for, and really, in large groups you could build yourself any which way and still come out the victor because as I’ve said before, numbers and using the OP’d classes will get you much further than skill. Yes there are situations where 5 pro ts3 users decked out in ascended/exotic gear can mop up 10 up levelled PuGers…. But we’re talking generalities here.

You CANNOT hide behind an army of teammates and call yourself valuable. Sure you can take a hit, funny enough so can my zerker we have that much health. But what do you do when you get ganked by a few thieves? You blow your defences and go running for your team so they can do everything for you that a warrior cannot do for itself… E.g give you a substantial heal/defencive boons/actually have enough DPS to kill the thieves before they pop stealth because you’ve rooted yours by being a ‘team player’.

However even this seems unlikely as you never leave the zerg right? Wubwub mentality makes me sick, zerging is the sole reason WvW is the failure that it is. How to counter this? I really have no idea. People will always follow the path of least resistance, for WvW, that is staying in a huge untouchable ball of players…

Lol it’s not good for wvw

AlBundy.7851:

Lol it’s not good for wvw

As good a warrior can get. An Ele could fill this role whilst actually being valuable in a 1vX situation.

AlBundy.7851:

I think I’m being pretty nice I didn’t even call you out for your zerg comments. Zerging is pretty much the most pathetic thing you can possibley do at this point in wvw. Like I don’t even understand the argument that warriors are fine in wvw when you face the same classes you do in Spvp there’s not much of a disconnect imo.

I mean if you don’t play for points which a lot of ppl don’t I guess zereging is ok but it’s pretty much a guaranteed loss every week. Maybe some ppl think wvw loot is good because they never played any of the pve in this game idk?

Nice? Not really. I wasn’t going to respond because I thought you were taking things personally, but I really like what you brought up in this post so I will respond.

What is wrong with Zerging? A lot of people actually enjoy it.
I enjoy roaming the most with a party of 3~5 for supply camp capturing, but I like Zerging as well. It’s fun to bash head in.

Just because you don’t like Zerging does not mean that others despise it as well.
It all comes down to a matter of opinion.

As for the Warrior comparison in WvWvW and PvP, there is a difference.
In PvP, you don’t have as much freedom. Restriction on gear + the set PvP rules allows for far less roles, and unfortunately, the warrior fails to meet those roles.

WvWvW is less about personal skill (not implying that it does not require it or that personal skill does not benefit) and more about a group mentality. You can run around with 5 and have a hell of a time. You can run around solo and have a hell of a time. You can run around in a Zerg and have a hell of a time. It’s very, very casual and mindless, but it’s mindless fun which a lot of games tend to be

I respect that you hate Zerg, but in the end, it’s opinion Vs. opinion.

Dolan.3071:

The build is good for WvW, AoE boons/cleanses/heals (no overlapping regens) are a good way to keep the zerg train going. But that is all it is good for, and really, in large groups you could build yourself any which way and still come out the victor because as I’ve said before, numbers and using the OP’d classes will get you much further than skill. Yes there are situations where 5 pro ts3 users decked out in ascended/exotic gear can mop up 10 up levelled PuGers…. But we’re talking generalities here.

You CANNOT hide behind an army of teammates and call yourself valuable. Sure you can take a hit, funny enough so can my zerker we have that much health. But what do you do when you get ganked by a few thieves? You blow your defences and go running for your team so they can do everything for you that a warrior cannot do for itself… E.g give you a substantial heal/defencive boons/actually have enough DPS to kill the thieves before they pop stealth because you’ve rooted yours by being a ‘team player’.

However even this seems unlikely as you never leave the zerg right? Wubwub mentality makes me sick, zerging is the sole reason WvW is the failure that it is. How to counter this? I really have no idea. People will always follow the path of least resistance, for WvW, that is staying in a huge untouchable ball of players…

Before I begin, I will be writing under the assumption that you responded to me.
I apologize in advance if I confused your post.

I would argue the point you make in the first paragraph. When I run Zerg, it is often with Aggression. (I’m not part of them as I simply do not have enough time to dedicate to Guild Wars 2. School, relationship, health, church come first).
When they run, there are very specific builds that they utilize. The builds feed of each other and make the Zerg unit strong.
That is why, in regards to Zerg, you should never leave it for a straggler. It’s like your arm suddenly popping off your body and going somewhere lol

Try running my build. You can do it relatively cheaply (well, except ascended trinkets which would take quite a bit of time). Thiefs can’t take you down. Now if you’re talking about multiple thieves ganking a single warrior… well, I think that applies to anyone, doesn’t it?

“However even this seems unlikely as you never leave the zerg right?”
This makes me kind of sad. It seemed like you were genuinely responding to some of the things I said until I read this line. I state multiple times in this thread that I prefer roaming with a party of 5.

Also, like I said to Albundy, WvWvW being a failure is a matter of opinion. A lot of people genuinely enjoy it which is why they play it.
If you go to the Guild Wars discussions, you’ll find tons of people saying the game is dying or failing. In the end though, opinions are opinions.

I really don’t see how ppl can be having fun when the lag sets in and skills don’t fire but I guess you’re right it’s an opinion although it is a bad one

I mean if I was in the group with Cook roaming I would totally try to get him to run a banner regen spec with hammer-sword/warhorn or shield in cleric’s gear if he wants heals so bad. Shouts haven’t been decent since release and that didn’t even last that long. He’s really gimping his group by running that. I feel sorry for the people he plays with.

might as well run naked idk

I dismissed the 5 man team statement as you strongly pointed out Never leave the zerg, a simple communication error.

It is true that most people will fall to a multiple thief burst (an Ele could perhaps mist form and RTL away before too much damage is done.) But ultimately the point is whilst you are trying to get others to try your build, it is simply weaker in comparison to a Guardian or Ele. My warrior couldn’t dream of being the team player that my Ele is.

I would also argue that a singular thief could easily tear this build apart in a 1v1, the healing couldn’t dream of mitigating that much damage and the lack of offensive during the short bursts you have to attack would point all the more favour to the thief. By saying that thieves can’t kill you I’m still under the assumption that your team is fighting for you. Just take a look at tPvP, 5 man teams, not a singular warrior…

IMO opinion PvE is a brilliant introduction to the game. Dungeons need some tweaking here and there but overall good. However it is repetitive so people will turn to either WvW or PvP (or y’know, both.) This is where the problems start, whilst they aren’t “dead” they need some serious love or they shall be “dead” soon.

And by the gods yes, the singular FPS I have during zerg vs zerg is spent watching my skills refuse to activate before getting instantly defeated. Only looking back to the Combat Log to see that I was infact stationary for so long that multiple people were able to land melee hits on me.

when I said banner spec I meant running just one banner with the regen trait you can fill in whatever other 2 utilities you like just thought I should clarify don’t run 3 banner utilities lol

AlBundy.7851:

I mean if I was in the group with Cook roaming I would totally try to get him to run a banner regen spec with hammer-sword/warhorn or shield in cleric’s gear if he wants heals so bad. Shouts haven’t been decent since release and that didn’t even last that long. He’s really gimping his group by running that. I feel sorry for the people he plays with.

The shouts are the focus of the build. They are a nice side dish. I would say the main course from the tactics line is the boon duration (swiftness, might, fury to team) and the raw vitality gain. Shouts are a nice boost that I bring primarily to use in conjunction with soldier runes for the team.

I’m not much of a finisher I will admit, but I still dish out nice DPS.

Don’t worry, I would never run 3 banner xD
I guess I can’t really address the FPS issue because I received a gaming computer for my birthday from some friends last year. Unfortunately, the only game I play is GW2 and sparingly at that so it’s a waste -.l-

Dolan.3071:

I dismissed the 5 man team statement as you strongly pointed out Never leave the zerg, a simple communication error.

It is true that most people will fall to a multiple thief burst (an Ele could perhaps mist form and RTL away before too much damage is done.) But ultimately the point is whilst you are trying to get others to try your build, it is simply weaker in comparison to a Guardian or Ele. My warrior couldn’t dream of being the team player that my Ele is.

I would also argue that a singular thief could easily tear this build apart in a 1v1, the healing couldn’t dream of mitigating that much damage and the lack of offensive during the short bursts you have to attack would point all the more favour to the thief. By saying that thieves can’t kill you I’m still under the assumption that your team is fighting for you. Just take a look at tPvP, 5 man teams, not a singular warrior…

IMO opinion PvE is a brilliant introduction to the game. Dungeons need some tweaking here and there but overall good. However it is repetitive so people will turn to either WvW or PvP (or y’know, both.) This is where the problems start, whilst they aren’t “dead” they need some serious love or they shall be “dead” soon.

And by the gods yes, the singular FPS I have during zerg vs zerg is spent watching my skills refuse to activate before getting instantly defeated. Only looking back to the Combat Log to see that I was infact stationary for so long that multiple people were able to land melee hits on me.

I sometimes roam around solo, and there is always a thief that will attempt to backstab me >_<… but this builds insanely high health pool + mitigation really solves any problems with the thief. I sure as hell can’t kill the thief, but it can’t kill me either.
You should try it out sometime. It’s so gratifying to walk around without having to worry about a thief back stabbing you.. but it gets old really fast haha

I agree that it is weaker than a bunker ele and guardian, but I guess that is where my personal preference for the warrior class kicks in

I don’t know man a nice side dish I don’t think I would agree, 2 of the shouts are mainly pve utilities. The only shouts you could probably consider nice are fear me(way too long a cooldown) and shake if off(along with the tactic shrug it off) and the latter is only decent because of the stunbreak.

If your running this thing for thief prevention you could run so many different builds for that and you could actually kill the thief well maybe not a decent thief but you could actually do enough damage to give yourself a chance at killing them excluding the super troll thieves.

playing a “cant kill anything build” is silly when other classes can spec out damage and have super high evasion at same time.

watch a war fight a guardian, blinds and nearly full time protection
or vs a thief with stealth, blinds and weakness.

Its not that these class cant be countered, its how easy they can spec to have solid defense and still put out damage.

/shrug give hammer protection and we might have something interesting.

Haha if I want to feel invincible I use my Ele. Half cleric/half PVT, things an absolute kitten to kill. Not to mention an actual escape skill for bloodthirsty zergs. But even so I got bored of roaming solo as I rarely encountered 1v1 and would get roflstomped by groups (would often start out as 2-3 then they call back up at the sight of a singular enemy, dat WubWub mentality, though I probably would have lost anyway assuming they weren’t uplevelled.)

And I agree with Albundy, simply BEING a guardian will cut out one third of their burst attack.

I actually don’t mind fighting Guards as a warrior. I mean they hit like wet noodles even when I’m a berserker. If they’re bad I can quickly burst them down before they heal, if they’re good I have ample time to just turn and run away as guardians cannot chase… I have nothing to lose.

I’m aware my comments are all over the place, but it’s pretty obvious who I’m replying to if you can remember your own comment :P

wow my whole post got deleted and the dribble at the top and middle of this thread still remains.

Reposting edited version so the thread makes sense. Post that got deleted started after Nourus post.

So you don’t chase people down with that build but that’s one of the strengths of the build and you said you do it 2 paragraphs down? Maybe killing 1 runner with a 5 man is different to you than killing it with 30? You still get the same result.

So all your saying is you enjoy playing an ineffective class and don’t want to see anything change about it except that you wrote a wall of text to express it? At least that’s what I get from almost every post you make? No offense but your way of thinking along with a few other people who come to these forums is wrong to say the least. I mean to each his own but your opinions are kind of from a wrong point of view especially if you played a bunker elementalists one of the true welfare classes of this game.

And I don’t even understand your 4th paragraph are you comparing guardian to elementalist or warrior or both very unclear. You mention that you move from camp to camp no mention of taking on numbers greater than your own which is probably one of the most satisfying parts of wvw even if their under leveled terrible players.

You don’t even know the names of the warrior abilities you call signet of rage signet of fury which makes me doubt that you even main a warrior but might have a warrior alt you leveled for some strange reason? Maybe to gather up enough courage to be able to come onto the forums and lie about how useful a warrior is in this game? I really don’t know but that build which you linked that you call viable and potent is trash.

In your description there’s hardly a mention of what the actual main strength of the build is which is aoe condition removal but ohh wait you don’t even run quick breathing(which is still bugged) because making shouts coowldown 5 seconds faster for that ohh not so powerful laughably weak shout heal is so worth it right? In your post you have spiked armor but in the build link there’s defy pain which is a horrible waste of a tactic slot even for your useless meat shield build which you supposedly roam in a small man group with.

One could come to the conclusion this isn’t even a build you run but something you just hastily ripped off from some other thread to support your general theme that warriors are fine. I guess you hoped there wouldn’t be anyone in these sub forums with eyes or an actual brain to call you out on your terrible attempts at lying?

At this point I think you owe the community in general an apology for being wrong so many times and spreading so many lies. You could also come clean that you have a poor understanding of the warrior class in general.

If anyone reads this and thinks what I’ve said is true please show some support. Over the last few days my posts have been getting deleted because I choose to call out the lies of people that continually troll the forums with false information. I really do enjoy playing guild wars 2 and want to see it grow.

Also a tip to any new players that gw2buildcraft site is garbage not only is the layout terrible that EHP garbage is total hokum.

And thanks to Nuorus for reposting the post by Cook because I usually avoid his posts at all costs if I can.

Dolan.3071:

WvW = the greater number wins and is so imbalanced you can’t survive outside a zerg as anything other than a thief/mes/bunker Ele.

So all the roaming rangers can not survive?
Just how can these rangers kill my superior thief then? How can eles cry about being unable to do anything against a decent GS/SB ranger besides running?
There are more classes which can do fine outside a zerg.
And theres a lot who can SURVIVE outside a zerg(Juggerneer, Juggermancer, Beastmaster, …) Okay, granted, the Juggerneer doesn’t do much besides trolling but he can not die.
I agree, tho, that Warrior is pretty much the bottom of the barrel.

See a lot more rangers in wvw lately and an influx of engis. Variety makes it more fun. Still see the mighty death ball of staff skill 1 spamming guardians lol.

I agree with AlBundy. Everything he said is true.

The problem with the warrior Is simple. The only thing warrior is Excels at is sustained PBAOE. Anything outside of sustained PBAOE that a warrior any other profession can do it better than the warrior.

Let me explain. Warriors main strength comes from melee skills that rely on precision, strength and crit power. They do have ranged options like rifle which also relies on the same stats. Long bows are more condition based.

As far as the ranged options are concerned they are there, and there are notable skills like crit shot and the aoe skills on the longbow. But outside of that any other profession that specializes in range is better than a warrior at range because they not only have better ranged capabilities and or damage but they have sustainability which is what the warrior lacks.

You can build your warrior to have better sustainability at the cost of the only thing warriors are good at Sustained PBAOE. You also will have no utility. So that leaves you with nothing better than another profession and when I say nothing better I mean you are worst off.

Reason is those other professions can have great damage, sustainability, range everything without the same sacrifices. Their utilities don’t have ridiculous cool downs without being traited, their useful traits are not buried deep in trait lines that don’t benefit them like warriors. Their minor traits actually help them. etc etc.

So there you go warriors problem is the traitline itself. Its been said. Over and Over. The potential is there. That guy at ANET said “we dont want warriors to be OP” We dont want warriors to be like the Tarran race player on Star Craft 2.’ If warrior was OP what would it be like when that guy got a hold of it" All I can say is bullkitten man give warrior to anyone now and it would not be anything like that. Perhaps thats what you want. But give that person any other one of your professions and they can be god at it the same thing that you are preaching against. Is that a problem with the other professions? NO the problem is with the warrior. So what are you going to do nerf the other professions the same way you nerfed warriors into the ground in open beta and then never came up with a solution to make up for what you did to them. No you just nerfed them into the ground and left them like that. While every month you boost some other professions. And warriors get what bug fixes? LOL fix all the bugs on the warriors it will still be subpar to everything else. And guess what there are still big bugs. Shields not blocking all attacks, endure pain not mitigation conditions just to name a few.

Aye Warrior potential is there. Hopefully improvements will come once they split WvW and PvE. Because any buff to Warrior for the sake of WvW will make us even more OP in PvE. And that’s exactly why we’re in our current state. As for PvP? Well it is separate so I don’t know why it hasn’t been fixed, perhaps the buff will hit WvW and PvP at the same time, I don’t know I’m being optimistic.
But really all we need is:
1. Make our attacks do what they are actually meant to do, as well as our gap closers either A ) immune to cripple/chill it B ) run their full distance regardless of cripple/chill
2. Make the +% Burst Damage trait +5% for each tier, 1% is a joke.
3. Give us self healing that is proportionate to our health. Watching your foe giving them self a full heal when you kitten well know they’re not in Healing Power gear is an insult. Shall I sacrifice the awesome ability of refilling my adrenalin so I can use our BEST heal that will give me a 3rd of my health back? Big whoopity doo. I’m better off getting a pathetic heal and trying to land another Burst Attack.
Lower the CD by 5 seconds and DOUBLE it’s potency, yes, DOUBLE. Warriors are clunky and generally predictable, we have few evades and usually have to eat a lot of hits on the journey to landing our own.

And to even suggest that you’re concerned about Warrior becoming OP while you’ve let Mesmer run rampant is a joke. Don’t even get me started on the neutering that profession needs.

These are all good points and i totally agree the problems lays with our sustainability. Or really our lack of sustainability.

The real problem with our class is with A-net however. It is not a case of how we play the warrior, it is not a case of L2p anymore. There is no secret build out there that we ALL have missed. The problem is how Anet perceives this class and how they view it in the long term. In this regard i hold little hope out for us.

Some Anet developer must have got kitten by a Warrior in Open beta i think and hold a grudge against us now forever. Unless he/she goes we are screwed lol.
How Anet could have gone with us in this state for so long i just do not understand and how they leave some of these other classes we play against so OP, i just shake my head.

Anet is reminding me of a certain other developer, Funcom. I wasted 3 years playing AoC, but it taught me a lot.

Peace out!

Either you are a bad warrior player or someone told you warriors suck.

False. Warriors aren’t weak. Fact is people keeping addressing them as weak because they require something called play-style. And if you don’t have that, you’re obviously just trolling with warrior .

To use the maximum potential in a warrior, it’s not enough to know that Greatsword and axe-shield is the best combo, or that taking bull and endure pain are best skills, it is also essential to know what traits you use and what is your build focus on.

The most casual builds you ever meet would be either zerker gear or knight gear. This is something I have noticed .

Saying warrior is a weak class without actually proving it against so many videos showing warriors own- is just wrong.

In other words ,what I am trying to convey is that before coming and open another “Warriors suck” topic, try learn more about the class and it’s potential . read guides, test out build and enjoy .

Ninestrings.2815:

Either you are a bad warrior player or someone told you warriors suck.

False. Warriors aren’t weak. Fact is people keeping addressing them as weak because they require something called play-style. And if you don’t have that, you’re obviously just trolling with warrior .

To use the maximum potential in a warrior, it’s not enough to know that Greatsword and axe-shield is the best combo, or that taking bull and endure pain are best skills, it is also essential to know what traits you use and what is your build focus on.

The most casual builds you ever meet would be either zerker gear or knight gear. This is something I have noticed .

Saying warrior is a weak class without actually proving it against so many videos showing warriors own- is just wrong.

In other words ,what I am trying to convey is that before coming and open another “Warriors suck” topic, try learn more about the class and it’s potential . read guides, test out build and enjoy .

False. Everything you said in your post is false.

See how easily I dismissed your entire post like how you’re trying to do with every (legitimate) issues warriors have in actual pvp?

Additionally, I would like to request that people in this thread stop being pants-on-head kitten because this is clearly a S/TPvP thread and bringing up WvW and PvE(especially so) is completely out of point.

:3 We actually don’t die that fast if you play it right with dodge/heal/food and style of gameplay.

Lol Sovereign.1093. I guess what you say is true if we all stay at range and never close gap to melee range or never allow a gap to be closed on us.

Build of course also plays a big part with how fast we die. I have played that tanky style, do not like it, but have played it.

I have been playing warrior since beta. I know this class very well and have tried many, many builds. Can we do damage, certainly! We can definitely hurt people when we get amongst them. However unlike other classes we can not stay long, we can not get rid of our conditions fast enough and we have very little protection versus CC’s.

We are waaay past the L2p stage. Our success and our demise are all in the hands of A-net now.

Mind you my warrior is my only character and i have no intention of playing any other class. So hey, what do i know!