Guild Wars 2

Hello

When my warrior hit 80 I wanted her to be a support tank/healer so I got shouts heal and slotted in 6 soldiers runes for condition removal. However I was underwhelmed to say the least with the heals from shouts, even while in full exotic clerics gear it just wasn’t enough to call her a heal tank.

Since then I’ve been focusing more on just making her a pure tank and I’m wonder what my build should be. Should I stay with shouts or maybe switch it up to banners or stances?

My currant build is:

20: V X
0:
20: I IX
30: VI VIII XII
0:

I have 3 pieces of crafted exotic knight’s gear and 3 pieces of exotic karma soldiers gear.
I have 2 exotic knights’ earrings and 2 exotic knights’ rings and an exotic berserker’s amulet.

I weld, for the most part an Ax/shield combo with both a mace and a war horn that I can switch to if needed and a bow in the off weapon slot. I also carry great sword if needed, all exotic with knights stats and 1 or 2 clerics left over from when I was going full heal.

So how would you suggest rebuilding her to bring her more in line with a full tank with enough power to at least kill somewhat fast when solo.

Also what food buffs shoulkittenep on hand, I have a 400 level cook as one of my other characters

Oh and I forgot to mention this is for PvE only.

Thanks guys.

google “youtube captain hammer gw2”, might be what you looking for.
i play it myself, any questions are welcome. There is no thing as full tank who kills 1 on 1 easy though. That would be a very tanky greatsword build, but cant be compared to shouts / hammer in terms of survivability.

You’re never going to be a healer nor a tank as a Warrior.

That’s reserved for Guardians… sadly.

Oglaf – Considering the Health pool of a warrior is almost double that of a guardian, and toughness is pretty much the same i would have to politely disagree.

I play a healing shout Tank for dungeons and my guardian friend is also a defensive specc’d support class – Warrior is head and shoulders above the Guardian in terms of suvivabilty if you spec it right and know how to use it properly.

Seems a contradiction really considering the name but feel free to run your own test – you’ll be surprised

HP is the biggest troll in the game. It means very little when it comes to tanking. If a guardian can not live longer than a warrior, then that guardian is terrible at his/her class. Toughness also means little in gw2 for tanking.

What makes a “tank” in this game is good support/mitigation. Something a warrior has very little of. Damage > Toughness in scaling, so having high toughness means nothing after a point(close to 3k). Which will stop things from breathing on you just to kill you. However, you still will not be a “tank” with just that.

Until our trees/traits get fixed this will always be the case. You can only become a solid Warrior currently. This is PvE so it can be pulled off and is viable, but not on the level of a good guardian.

Oglaf likes to troll warrior forums… anyhow here is my shout heals cleric gear with soldier runes build. I like axe/mace and wep swap to shield for block if need range i carry a bow too. sigil of blood in axe and sigil of life in mace.

http://tinyurl.com/arfwtby

the first option is very tanky and still does decent dmg. thats what i used at first now im more dmg oriented with a banner regen build here it is. GS and axe/horn sigil of blood in both main hands and the one that steals hp on weapon swap on horn.

http://tinyurl.com/b4tzsw3

I like this one personally more cause more dmg. I use Knights gear with it 3 emerald jewelry’s and 2 sapphire’s and i use Pack runes cause eagle cost to much imo and they work just as well.

Oglaf.1074:

You’re never going to be a healer nor a tank as a Warrior.

That’s reserved for Guardians… sadly.

I also have a level 80 Guardian that I’m starting to exotic out and she will be pure support/heals for dungeon runs, but that another topic for now I’m asking about traits for a tank build warrior.

Should I stick with shouts or go banners?
Should I keep the 20 points in strength or put them in arms and discipline for more crit chance.

This will be pure PvE lots of time spent solo working on gathering resources and getting 100% world completion and running dungeons when we need a warrior over a Guardian.

I would stick with shout healing but you gota have +healing gear to be worth a junk with shout heals. when your gathering an stuff shout heals will be better for nocking off conditions and burst heals while runing past mobs. in a dungeon though it really depends on what you want to do. more then 1 shout heals warrior in a dungeon is nice cause alot of healing, but more then 1 banner regen warrior is kinda pointless. since 1 warrior can keep up regen 100% of time. as far as ur traits i would follow this. on the site hit the hexigon to check out trait specs.

http://tinyurl.com/arfwtby

Nevermore.3820:

Should I stick with shouts or go banners?
Shoulkitten e p the 20 points in strength or put them in arms and discipline for more crit chance.

1) Shouts vs Banners depends on the situation and flow of battle. If need “gap fillers” go for banners. If you need burst heals to help mitigate some hard hits, then go shouts(or maybe the extra condition removal). You will find shout healing have more uses, but banners can come in handy also.

2) I prefer 20 in arms, but I use sword most of the time. I prefer the crit chance and the condition boost I see as a bonus.

Must admit i was running 20 in strength and with a simple flip to 20 in arms and the GS might stacking trait my DPS has gone up a ridiculous ammount.

With regards to shouts vs Banners – i notice a lot of people talking about te healing ability of these souts, but you all seem to forget the main use of them. I use FGJ, SIO and OMM. FGJ gives you might and fury – OMM increases damage to a target by 10% – and SIO is purely for cond removal. However coupled with healing shouts i think its a no brainer between banners and shouts.

So maybe I’ll try something like this:
10: V
10: V
20: I IX (Swapping IX for V when facing heavy ranged mobs)
30: VI VIII XII
0:

Then adding two pieces of healing/precision/vitality (Armageddon) exotic karma gear for two pieces of knights’ gear to buff the heal on shouts a bit. I can also switch one of my knights’ rings for a berserker’s ring to make up for some of the lost power.

Two things that I won’t do however is switch back to a full set of healing gear or make a build that locks me into a Great Sword, I just like 1 handed weapons more.

He’s right, Warriors aren’t healers or supports. They’re initiators. Inherently, that’s all you do make trading hits and reaching targets easy for your team. The latter in which Guardian can’t really do.

Warrior = Trading Hits
Guardian = Taking Hits

I prefer trading hits because that accomplishes something bigger in the long run. People think Warrior can’t trade hits, but all I have to say is don’t listen to trash players. Because all they give is simple-minded input and pathetic output compared to the people who actually matters.

Wobels.1679:

Oglaf likes to troll warrior forums…

Everyone is a troll when they tell the truth you don’t want to hear.

But by all means, do believe that Warriors can tank just as well as Guardians if you want, you poor deluded person. Doesn’t change the fact that they aren’t. The main reasons for this is:

a. Protection. With a Hammer you keep it up 24/7 with the right traits. (As a Warrior I lament the fact that so few Guardians run this weapon, it is a pleasure to play alongside Hammer Guardians)
b. Sustain. A Guardian might have less Health than a Warrior, but in addition to mitigating damage better they also heal their own Health waaay better.

I’ve been playing around with something interesting you might like. Take a shield offhand, put a sigil of energy on the offhand of both weapon sets, get the banner regen trait, and then either take the signet that increases endurance regeneration or get the trait that gives vigor when a stance is used. I use this with both the adrenal health trait and signet of healing and it works fairly well. The regen does help you trade hits, but if you can avoid more hits than you dish out you’re golden.

Prezzy.2783:

Oglaf – Considering the Health pool of a warrior is almost double that of a guardian, and toughness is pretty much the same i would have to politely disagree.

HP and toughness really don’t mean a whole heck of a lot at all in this game. Mitigation, sustained healing and evasion abilities are where survivability is truly at. This is why it’s better to gear as a glass cannon as a thief for instance, because of all the baseline evasion abilities and escapes (blinds, teleports, stealth, etc). Or a properly played D/D ele for instance is nigh immortal with access to every tool in the game to survive while killing your opponent.

Schwahrheit.4203:

People think Warrior can’t trade hits

Who thinks this? Anyone can “trade hits”. Warriors can “trade hits” but they lose in a straight up battle of attrition that way without the sustained survivability tools other classes have access to while doing the same thing.

I run 10/0/30/30/0 in full cleric (I mean full cleric, everything) VS is up there for probably the strongest aoe burst healing in the game. Only thing that came close to it was EA ele but that got nerfed. Personally, I use Dwayna runes for regenand a blood sigil, soldier is an excellent alternative for runes, most people run that.

If you’re looking for a tank, toughness and healing/sustain is where you want to be. Vit is beating a dead horse on a warrior, with 30 in vit for shouts you sit at 21.5k hp. For pve, you really don’t need more than that. Also, knowing content and judicious use of dodge roll is important.

If its a contest to see what class is the better tank (warrior or guardian) i think even most warriors will agree (myself included) that a guardian is a better pure tank class. They have way better self-sustain and better mitigation skills (better panic buttons too lol).

That being said, a warrior can tank just fine too. its not as easy, and not as efficient, but its plenty doable. I recommend gs + mace/shield if you want to tank. The benefit of a warrior tank is some more damage than a guardian tank. Mace/shield gives you some good cc and blocks, and GS gives you an extra dodge roll basically (as well as awesome damage)

Guardians are the better tanks in terms of mitigation. IMO
They got Aegis which nullifies one Hit.. this can be 1 damage or 9999999999… damage. If the later hits no warrior will survive, the guardian will every 40 secs.

Much more healing. Depending on traits you can heal when you apply a boon to someone or by standing in symbols or both and other nice tricks like heal on dodgeroll

Guardians have more blocking Skills. Domes, walls or the simple Mace or focus skills. If chained right you will mitigate tons of damage.

Guardians have easier access to protection.

Nevermore.3820:

Oglaf.1074:

You’re never going to be a healer nor a tank as a Warrior.

That’s reserved for Guardians… sadly.

I also have a level 80 Guardian that I’m starting to exotic out and she will be pure support/heals for dungeon runs, but that another topic for now I’m asking about traits for a tank build warrior.

Should I stick with shouts or go banners?
Should I keep the 20 points in strength or put them in arms and discipline for more crit chance.

This will be pure PvE lots of time spent solo working on gathering resources and getting 100% world completion and running dungeons when we need a warrior over a Guardian.

I prefer Shouts because they offer Condition cleansing, which Banners don’t. Especially tasty with Soldier Runes (each Shout removes a Condition; Shake it Off! removes two).

The healing is a lot worse than Banners though; it is more about adding a little bit of damage mitigation per Shout than it is consistent healing.

Oglaf.1074:

Nevermore.3820:

Oglaf.1074:

You’re never going to be a healer nor a tank as a Warrior.

That’s reserved for Guardians… sadly.

I also have a level 80 Guardian that I’m starting to exotic out and she will be pure support/heals for dungeon runs, but that another topic for now I’m asking about traits for a tank build warrior.

Should I stick with shouts or go banners?
Should I keep the 20 points in strength or put them in arms and discipline for more crit chance.

This will be pure PvE lots of time spent solo working on gathering resources and getting 100% world completion and running dungeons when we need a warrior over a Guardian.

I prefer Shouts because they offer Condition cleansing, which Banners don’t. Especially tasty with Soldier Runes (each Shout removes a Condition; Shake it Off! removes two).

The healing is a lot worse than Banners though; it is more about adding a little bit of damage mitigation per Shout than it is consistent healing.

Theres a long thread about this on guru, and triple shouts outheals banners by quite alot.

Any chance you can link it here?

I don’t like triple Shout though.

I want Signet of Stamina in there.