I waste all of my mobility skills and knockdowns only to discover that it was a clone, and then I have to slowly lumber after the Mesmer swinging my sword/hammer hopelessly as they deliver 2k facecrits.
If you see a D/D Elementalist, don’t even bother attacking. You won’t win.
Nerf the sustain by half and it wouldn’t be so imbalanced.
Permanent chill, godly mobility, and sustain.
Wariors have triple the HP, double the armor and double the attack power too.
Just take a rifle and kill ‘m with y’r 1200 range, D/D have very low range.
If you see a D/D Elementalist, don’t even bother attacking. You won’t win.
Nerf the sustain by half and it wouldn’t be so imbalanced.
Permanent chill, godly mobility, and sustain.
Wariors have triple the HP, double the armor and double the attack power too.
Just take a rifle and kill ‘m with y’r 1200 range, D/D have very low range.
All three which are essentially useless against an D/D Elementalist.
Triple the Health? Elementalists have more “effective Health” due to all their healing, invulnerability and escape abilities.
Double the Armour? One word: Protection. 33% raw damage reduction beats our Heavy Armour hands down.
Double the Attack Power? Depends on build. Also, most of it is melee.
However the one point that nulifies it all for sure is the Elementalists ability to just simply run away. Ride The Lightning, go! Teleport, go! Mist/Vapour Form, go! If an Elemetalist doesn’t want to fight you, he/she won’t fight you. If they do want to fight you, however, you’re not getting away as a Warrior.
Tanky guardians.
Since I’m not running a full dps build I find it hard to kill them. They can’t kill me either but that’s another story.
Usually we just stand there fighting until reinforcements come from either side, or until I push them of a cliff.
So nobody has too many problems with thieves here?
Mesmers wouldnt trouble me tbh, i have one and can spot the real one a mile off. My guardian struggles vs them because he has no mobility and low dps.
Elementalists and mesmers. Anything I can’t catch, really. Not much I can do to stop an elementalist just RTL’ing the other direction. They’re practically made of stunbreaks and condition removal so stability/immobilize doesn’t work. They’re generally tanky as kitten, too, so I can’t kill one fast enough.
I’m sure we all know about mesmers.
Mortryde/Cold/Thugmentalist Bara
really bad engineer
So nobody has too many problems with thieves here?
Mesmers wouldnt trouble me tbh, i have one and can spot the real one a mile off. My guardian struggles vs them because he has no mobility and low dps.
Only when they glitch to have perma-Stealth, but even so I don’t find them all that dangerous.
So nobody has too many problems with thieves here?
Mesmers wouldnt trouble me tbh, i have one and can spot the real one a mile off. My guardian struggles vs them because he has no mobility and low dps.
Not really, all you need to do is land some kind of stun or daze and they’re gone in 2 seconds.
depends on the type of thief. honestly u can tell what type of thief it is by looking at the weapon.
(i run p/t/v hammer shout build)
d/d and p/p, glass canon. d/d will try to burst u down with steal+cnd+backstab then a few heartseeker, easily countered with fear me then hammer whooping. p/p will spam Unload on u, countered with savage jump+shield bash+hammer whooping. they have 11k health normally with no defence, once they are chain cc-ed into my hammer, they are done. some of them carry a stun break but most of them dont.
p/d is condition bunker build, they use cnd then stack conditions, normally 17~19k health with many escape abilities. i use shout to remove condition and ignore them. not worth the time.
s/d or s/p is kinda like a versatile build to me, they have some defence, some hp, not bursty as d/d bs build. they have a daze, a gap-closer which may also act as a stun breaker or a teleporting skill, and many escape mechanics. normally i ignore them cuz they will always run away if they want to. most of the time u will see them trolling ir group with stealth and shadowsteps, which serves no function in winning wvw.
Elementalists are the bane of my warriors existence. Even if I get the upper hand on them in a fight they just run away. And then if I down them they instantly mist away into their team and get saved. Ugh.
Vapour Form could use quite a smacking with the nerfhammer, for sure. Elementalists can just suicide charge in with D/D then use it to sneak back into a Keep or back to their zerg.
So nobody has too many problems with thieves here?
Mesmers wouldnt trouble me tbh, i have one and can spot the real one a mile off. My guardian struggles vs them because he has no mobility and low dps.
Only when they glitch to have perma-Stealth, but even so I don’t find them all that dangerous.
there is no perma stealth glitch. stop posting false information.
there is no perma stealth glitch. stop posting false information.
The culling issue is giving thieves an unreasonably short duration of ‘visibility’ by other players. It’s not something they do on purpose, its just what happens.
Many guilds have found a particular method of forcing server culling on players while launching an attack…and this does involve Shadow Refuge.
Stealth is currently problematic in WvW and it is definitely giving thieves an unfair advantage. To deny this issue is to say one of two things; either you’re completely oblivious to the current issues of the game or you’re defending a broken mechanic that you knowingly overuse.
i dont see thief abusing culling as a Huge issue cuz normally it takes like a second to cull in a thief, in a small group fight. what makes culling as an issue is when portal bombing, 20 people ports in at the same time causing a big lag in server, takes like 5 or more seconds to cull.
what really annoying is those perfect timed CnDs, on illusions or pets or npcs. if using the shadow art traits and done well, no revealed debuff and can chain CnD many times. this has nothing to do with using culling, just re-apply stealth right when it wears off. according to devs, its working as intended, but well… its annoying.
If you see a D/D Elementalist, don’t even bother attacking. You won’t win.
Nerf the sustain by half and it wouldn’t be so imbalanced.
Permanent chill, godly mobility, and sustain.
Wariors have triple the HP, double the armor and double the attack power too.
Just take a rifle and kill ‘m with y’r 1200 range, D/D have very low range.
All three which are essentially useless against an D/D Elementalist.
Triple the Health? Elementalists have more “effective Health” due to all their healing, invulnerability and escape abilities.
Double the Armour? One word: Protection. 33% raw damage reduction beats our Heavy Armour hands down.
Double the Attack Power? Depends on build. Also, most of it is melee.
However the one point that nulifies it all for sure is the Elementalists ability to just simply run away. Ride The Lightning, go! Teleport, go! Mist/Vapour Form, go! If an Elemetalist doesn’t want to fight you, he/she won’t fight you. If they do want to fight you, however, you’re not getting away as a Warrior.
Good points you made. D/D eles are pretty close to melee range when you think bout it. Considering killshot on rifle can do 14k damage you could technically one-shot a badly built D/D ele at 1200 range.
Cripples also are pretty much useless against a good D/D-ele since they effectively have 4+ condition removals.
The warior can have enough mobility to keep up or choose to go for some ranged but don’t expect to beat an elementalist with your hundred blades. More likely to win using whirling axe, sword-2 spamming to keep up + signet of rage with 30s swiftnes.
What would you say considering above mentioned points?
So nobody has too many problems with thieves here?
Mesmers wouldnt trouble me tbh, i have one and can spot the real one a mile off. My guardian struggles vs them because he has no mobility and low dps.
Only when they glitch to have perma-Stealth, but even so I don’t find them all that dangerous.
there is no perma stealth glitch. stop posting false information.
Then how come I see so many Thieves that are permanently invisible except for when attacking? Stop trying to cover it up.
If you see a D/D Elementalist, don’t even bother attacking. You won’t win.
Nerf the sustain by half and it wouldn’t be so imbalanced.
Permanent chill, godly mobility, and sustain.
Wariors have triple the HP, double the armor and double the attack power too.
Just take a rifle and kill ‘m with y’r 1200 range, D/D have very low range.
All three which are essentially useless against an D/D Elementalist.
Triple the Health? Elementalists have more “effective Health” due to all their healing, invulnerability and escape abilities.
Double the Armour? One word: Protection. 33% raw damage reduction beats our Heavy Armour hands down.
Double the Attack Power? Depends on build. Also, most of it is melee.
However the one point that nulifies it all for sure is the Elementalists ability to just simply run away. Ride The Lightning, go! Teleport, go! Mist/Vapour Form, go! If an Elemetalist doesn’t want to fight you, he/she won’t fight you. If they do want to fight you, however, you’re not getting away as a Warrior.
Good points you made. D/D eles are pretty close to melee range when you think bout it. Considering killshot on rifle can do 14k damage you could technically one-shot a badly built D/D ele at 1200 range.
Cripples also are pretty much useless against a good D/D-ele since they effectively have 4+ condition removals.
The warior can have enough mobility to keep up or choose to go for some ranged but don’t expect to beat an elementalist with your hundred blades. More likely to win using whirling axe, sword-2 spamming to keep up + signet of rage with 30s swiftnes.
What would you say considering above mentioned points?
1. Downing an Elementalist at 1200 range means nothing; as soon as they hit the ground they will Vapor Form away to safety. The further away you are from the Elementalist when he/she goes down, the worse are the results, really… That’s the biggest problem I have with Elementalists; once they go down they are given a free “extra guy” each time. No other class have this advantage and it is so broken in WvW.
2. I’m a Sword/Warhorn Warrior. Even with all the Leaps and Condition Removals that offers, you just can’t keep up. They have far more escapes than you have gap closers and your Cripple on Sword’s 3 has a huge cooldown and they cleanse it real easy. Not to mention that they themselves ooze Chilled and Crippled out of every bodily orifice they have!
Honestly, the best idea is just to avoid confrontation all-together. It is a big waste of time. Like a Benny Hill chase scene.
Good points you made. D/D eles are pretty close to melee range when you think bout it.
Melee range is 130. Most of the D/D ele skills are 300-400 range, some of them are longer. The only one that is melee-ish is “Ride the Lightning” which is a 1200 move to begin with.
The warior can have enough mobility to keep up or choose to go for some ranged but don’t expect to beat an elementalist with your hundred blades. More likely to win using whirling axe, sword-2 spamming to keep up + signet of rage with 30s swiftnes.
A few points about the rest of this:
The warrior can only keep up with the 600 and 1200 dashes, not the 900 teleport
Savage leap has a 8 second cooldown; hardly a spammable skill
Whirling axes does nothing to help you chase a target
30s of swiftness is no comparison to perma-swiftness
Chill/cripple hamper the distance of all your movement skills as a warrior
Until they remove the ele’s ability to combo in his own fields and buff himself with long durations of every known boon in existance, he’s going to be OP. Its just that simple.
Culling, and my choice of running a beserker set mean that if the thief is in full exotics/ascended I will die outright before he renders. If I see him approaching and use a block or endure pain, they run and reset.
2. Mesmers
Ever fought 5 mesmers with the legion build….. oh god the nightmares.
PvP:
1. Necromancers
Depends on spec, obviously, but It really ticks me off that they have about 4 lifebars of health to go through while I have limited condition removal (warrior ftw).
2. D/D elementalists
Can I put pressure on one? Yes. Can I survive one? Usually. Can I kill one? No…
They run away, or they run to their team when you finally down them. Ridiculously frustrating to deal with.
mesmers and d/d elementalist for sure. i run with sword/shield and even use the immobilize on cripple trait and bola utility skill but i can never seem to catch them in the end. so annoying :l
D/D elementalists that know that they are doing give me the most problems.
Condition ranged thieves are next. They always appear somewhere random and looking around for them is annoying. They stack more bleed than I can remove with shouts. I love how Rifle skills follow them even in stealth. Using volley I can track where he goes for a bit. Kill shot (I think) also follows them since I have had a few come out of stealth on the floor.
Mesmers are slow and I can outrun them
Good points you made. D/D eles are pretty close to melee range when you think bout it.
Melee range is 130. Most of the D/D ele skills are 300-400 range, some of them are longer. The only one that is melee-ish is “Ride the Lightning” which is a 1200 move to begin with.
The warior can have enough mobility to keep up or choose to go for some ranged but don’t expect to beat an elementalist with your hundred blades. More likely to win using whirling axe, sword-2 spamming to keep up + signet of rage with 30s swiftnes.
A few points about the rest of this:
The warrior can only keep up with the 600 and 1200 dashes, not the 900 teleport
Savage leap has a 8 second cooldown; hardly a spammable skill
Whirling axes does nothing to help you chase a target
30s of swiftness is no comparison to perma-swiftness
Chill/cripple hamper the distance of all your movement skills as a warrior
Until they remove the ele’s ability to combo in his own fields and buff himself with long durations of every known boon in existance, he’s going to be OP. Its just that simple.
Quite frankly I think since the boons are such powerful tools all the classes should be balanced out with the boon-production. I do agree that of all the classes the elementalist has the most possibilities for getting boons on the other hand they also have low base health, armor and attack power but the boons even then still make them too strong.
Plus the fact that he had to run away from you in the first place is proof that you are stronger.
Again, their base Health doesn’t matter due to how much Healing they have in Water. Nor does their low armour matter due to them having access to Protection in Earth.
My biggest problem in WvW?
The Thief that managed to 2-shot me before I could see him, just about 20 or so minutes ago. :P
And no, I’m not a full ‘zerker glass cannon either. I’ll admit I’m not decked out for PvP, but geezus…
“If half as many people were half as brave in real life as they were online…
… The human race would never have to worry about be oppressed again.”
I think trolls should have their computers smashed. ’Its all part of the game. U mad bro?’
